Sharia Law. She's buried chest high.

Originally posted by IsraeliGuy

Originally posted by thegagefather

You don't get my point.
Ofcourse there is evil in all religions, and all religions store evil people and twisted thoughts.

My point is that Sharia law enables these crimes against humanity and free thinking to exist by making it law.
Is it the law among Catholics to rape little children?

More precisely; are the evil actions by people in Judaism and Christianity protected by law? Are these actions the law itself? No, they are not.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but there have been several figures in the rape scandals that were punished by law. A law that is higher to their sick beliefs. That is the difference I am referring to.

I'm not here to defend the actions of the Christians nor the Jewish sick thinkers/doers, but there is a big difference between people who are doing ILLEGAL crimes against humanity and between who are committing the same crimes and say it is ok because it is in our law. Eg, Sharia law.

No, they are protected by law. That's why priests don't go to jail. You clearly haven't read my posts and simply spit forth any ignorance you think of without looking into it. If you think Christianity and Judaism aren't protected by law, perhaps you have some reading to do. I know you won't, though, because your mind is already set in stone and most people refuse to assimilate to new ideas.

Until then, we're done with this back-and-forth.

reply to post by lonewolf19792000


Oh come on.....

You people are such ignoramuses. As much as i oppose the radicalism of Islam and its radical interpretations by politically motivated clerics, i know, thanks to my own erudition, that Islam is much greater then the Koran. The word itself precedes the actual creation of the Koran, as the dome of the rock inscriptions show

The Koran was an invention of the theologians of the Abbasid Caliphate in Baghdad, taking the monotheistic Syrian Christianity of the Ummayads (yes, it is a lie of history that the Ummayad dynasty was Muslim - they werent) and turning it into an altogether different religion with its own sacred text. Mohammad originally meant in Arabic (from the Syriac) "Chosen, Praised", and referred to JESUS, as an epithet, and not to a separate person. Hence the Christological sayings on the inside of the dome of the rock which regards Jesus, son of Mary, as the son of God and Gods "Mohammed".

Allah, is grammatically derived from the Aramaic Elah - i.e. the very name used for God in the book of Daniel and Ezra. This form, Elah, is related to the Hebrew Elo'ah, and the Hebrew Elohim. The Arabic Allah PRECEDES the Koran, and thus precedes historical Islam. Furthermore, there is absolutely no truth behind the idiotic and painfully unscholarly claim that Allah is derived from the name of a Babylonian moon goddess.

To just say flat out "Allah is Lucifer" is SACRILEGIOUS nonsense, spewed by an ignorant mind that has never read a book of Sufism, and so has never learned that the God of Islam is the same God worshiped by Judaism and Christianity.

God is God no matter what language you call him. Yes, unfortunately, there are people who use God and religion to affect political goals, and they use Gods name and sully his reputation by having their followers perpetuate acts which are in themselves evil and blasphemous. But don't imagine this is because the God of Islam is an "evil" God. There is much good and authentic teachings about God in Islam. There is great good in Muslims. so much; if you had love for Gods creations, you would understand that. You would hesitate before you thought of saying "Allah is Lucifer". Please, get to know some Muslims. Maybe you'll come to a more human understanding of their religion.

Also, if you know my posts, you'll know that i stress more then anyone else at this site how Islam is used as a tool by institutionalized Islam, the Arab league, and Muslim governments, as a means to conquer the world. Hamas is pure evil, Hezbollah is pure evil, and undoubtedly, Irans theocratic government is intent on destroying Israel. This is all the will of a gnostic elite class, the same type of people which run western governments. They do not represent authentic Islam, or Allah, even though the Koran contains beliefs which contradict basic spiritual values. But its one thing to criticize the Koran as having "Luciferian aspects", then to just claim right out, that Allah is Lucifer.

This is exactly why I say there are time we should step in militarily and blow the living crap out of these people but the liberals call those of us that feels that way 'right-wing war mongers'!
Don't you think this poor girl wold have wanted a 'christian' country like the United States to have come to her aid?
These people that kill young girls that were raped needs to be strung up and show them what HONOR means!
These Islamic radicals are the worst slime humanity ever produced!

Originally posted by dontreally
reply to post by lonewolf19792000

 

Oh come on.....

You people are such ignoramuses. As much as i oppose the radicalism of Islam and its radical interpretations by politically motivated clerics, i know, thanks to my own erudition, that Islam is much greater then the Koran. The word itself precedes the actual creation of the Koran, as the dome of the rock inscriptions show

The Koran was an invention of the theologians of the Abbasid Caliphate in Baghdad, taking the monotheistic Syrian Christianity of the Ummayads (yes, it is a lie of history that the Ummayad dynasty was Muslim - they werent) and turning it into an altogether different religion with its own sacred text. Mohammad originally meant in Arabic (from the Syriac) "Chosen, Praised", and referred to JESUS, as an epithet, and not to a separate person. Hence the Christological sayings on the inside of the dome of the rock which regards Jesus, son of Mary, as the son of God and Gods "Mohammed".

Allah, is grammatically derived from the Aramaic Elah - i.e. the very name used for God in the book of Daniel and Ezra. This form, Elah, is related to the Hebrew Elo'ah, and the Hebrew Elohim. The Arabic Allah PRECEDES the Koran, and thus precedes historical Islam. Furthermore, there is absolutely no truth behind the idiotic and painfully unscholarly claim that Allah is derived from the name of a Babylonian moon goddess.

To just say flat out "Allah is Lucifer" is SACRILEGIOUS nonsense, spewed by an ignorant mind that has never read a book of Sufism, and so has never learned that the God of Islam is the same God worshiped by Judaism and Christianity.

God is God no matter what language you call him. Yes, unfortunately, there are people who use God and religion to affect political goals, and they use Gods name and sully his reputation by having their followers perpetuate acts which are in themselves evil and blasphemous. But don't imagine this is because the God of Islam is an "evil" God. There is much good and authentic teachings about God in Islam. There is great good in Muslims. so much; if you had love for Gods creations, you would understand that. You would hesitate before you thought of saying "Allah is Lucifer". Please, get to know some Muslims. Maybe you'll come to a more human understanding of their religion.

Also, if you know my posts, you'll know that i stress more then anyone else at this site how Islam is used as a tool by institutionalized Islam, the Arab league, and Muslim governments, as a means to conquer the world. Hamas is pure evil, Hezbollah is pure evil, and undoubtedly, Irans theocratic government is intent on destroying Israel. This is all the will of a gnostic elite class, the same type of people which run western governments. They do not represent authentic Islam, or Allah, even though the Koran contains beliefs which contradict basic spiritual values. But its one thing to criticize the Koran as having "Luciferian aspects", then to just claim right out, that Allah is Lucifer.

YOU ARE WRONG BECAUSE JESUS!!! AND THE BIBLE!!!

Naw, I'm kidding. I actually love this post. I personally can't stand religion enough to do any serious research because people who are as rational as you are so rare within that realm. This is the kind of post that actually gets me interested in the religious forums.

Too bad the 90% of ignorants will click reply to rebuke your points without even really reading the post.

My guess is it will say something like "CAN YOU SERIOUSLY BELIEVE MUSLIMS ARE GOOD?! DON'T YOU KNOW MUSLIMS DO EVIL STUFF AND CHRISTIANS AND JEWS DON'T? IT'S ALL EXPLAIN HERE ON THIS LINK TO A BLOG I FOUND ON PAGE 32 ON A GOOGLE SEARCH"

Originally posted by thegagefather
No, they are protected by law. That's why priests don't go to jail.

Err..
Catholic priest jailed for repeatedly raping a nun
'Sadistic' Catholic priest jailed for abusing boys in Australia
Priest jailed for altar boy rapes
Priest jailed for child sexual assault
Roman priest jailed for child pornography
Catho lic priest arrested on sex abuse allegations
15 years in prison for an offending priest

And quite honestly these are simply the articles I have handpicked out of many, many more.
This goes to show that common law trumps their sick and twisted behavior.

You clearly haven't read my posts and simply spit forth any ignorance you think of without looking into it.

I clearly have. You clearly have not, as you still fail to comprehend my point that in fixed countries and religions, that do not behave as if they were amidst the stone age days, sick actions deserve jail.
This is very different from using Sharia law as law to perform sick and twisted crimes on people who have not harmed society with their actions, and walk unharmed by law. Not only unharmed, they walk as if they were heroes and deserve a prize for following their law. See the difference?

What also is different is the fact that in Sharia law driven countries, sick punishments are the law presented by the religion. I highly doubt that even the most corrupt Catholic priest rapes children because it is written in his holy books, or it is a part of his religion. He is committing crimes on his behalf, and not behalf of his religion.

If you think Christianity and Judaism aren't protected by law, perhaps you have some reading to do. I know you won't, though, because your mind is already set in stone and most people refuse to assimilate to new ideas.

Show me the light.

Until then, we're done with this back-and-forth.

No we are not done. Please provide proof of Muslim religious figures who were jailed, in Sharia law protected countries, for the inhumane punishments they have committed.

Ball is on your court.

Originally posted by wulff
This is exactly why I say there are time we should step in militarily and blow the living crap out of these people but the liberals call those of us that feels that way 'right-wing war mongers'!
Don't you think this poor girl wold have wanted a 'christian' country like the United States to have come to her aid?
These people that kill young girls that were raped needs to be strung up and show them what HONOR means!
These Islamic radicals are the worst slime humanity ever produced!

What are you, 13 years old and still obsessing with firecrackers and M80's?

Yea, the government is #ed up. BIG SURPRISE. Guess we should just kill everyone and everything that calls the area home. That probably won't make more people hate us, and that will probably stop all the unjust murders in the world.... Right?

GIT'R'DOOOOONE!

Originally posted by IsraeliGuy

Originally posted by Suffi
Why so much religous intolerance coming from an advanced west. Each unto their own. Everybody has the right to believe what they will.

This is the exact reason as to why these primitive executions are still happening.
"This isn't our business!", "We must not interfere with other people's business!", "Religious intolerance!!!11".

I'd like to see how religious tolerant you will be if this happened to your mother/sister/daughter/wife.

This apologist attitude is giving these cave men the fuel to keep going. If the opinions about these executions weren't so divided, and the main belief was solid (That this is plain wrong), these nutcases would perhaps someday sit and think that maybe, just maybe, this reversed way of living is just wrong.

And at general, whoever compares this barbarism to whatever the Christians did 500 years ago is a damn fool. If anything, you contribute to the fact that this Islamic way of living is the same as the way of living people had 500 years ago - Isn't that just like saying that this way of living has no place in the modern world? How is this helping their image one bit? Mind what you say even when you only want to throw dirt at anyone but Muslims and perhaps you'll get your point across.


As someone else said earlier, even sewer rats have more compassion for one another.

edit on 15-11-2011 by IsraeliGuy because: (no reason given)

Don't grab the tail buckaroo. Follow the entire thread and you will see what this discussion as become. I have not condoned anything. Yet you fail to see my reference of religous tolerance is not the act of execution but to all the sane minds which are offended by mud slinging. If you are indead an Isreali then you will have tasted the hate because of your affiliation with judaism and Israel. If you read my replies maybe you'll understand I don't hate any religion fling dirt. The fact that you feel it important to compare me to a sewer rat shows how bitterly you must hate. I have considered ignoring your comments but I only replied because you misunderstand my attitude.

Seeing as you failed to see I compared Sharia driven people to sewer rats, and not you, I can't even take your post seriously. Sorry.

There are no excuses for this inhumanity.

We need to learn from the past not make the horrendous past action of others a reason to excuse the horrendous action of the present.

reply to post by IsraeliGuy


Well we both misunderstand each other. It appears you insinuated my so called appologetic attitude deserved the the rat comparison. Thankyou for not comparing me to a rat.

Originally posted by arollingstone
reply to post by Mclaneinc

 

If you are going to reply to my posts then have the manners to read them and and also understand them, I have no agenda and if you bothered to research my posts you would know I have Muslim In laws AND have a great knowledge of the religion and actions, I fairly make comment on types of Muslims as opposed tar brushing every one of them,.

Then you might want to re-read the post I replied to. Because you clearly implied many things that aren't true - and stated them as facts..

So, you might as well be tar brushing every one of them.

The 'you didn't understand, you didn't read' argument doesn't work here - I clearly understood what you were getting at.

As for the Beheadings, are you saying they no long do that?

I said by law, thieves have their hands cut off - this is the official sentence, not beheading. Here's a quote: "If you are going to reply to my posts then have the manners to read them and and also understand them"

The man in that Daily Mail article wasn't beheaded for being a thief - you have merely reinforced my original argument.

Right, I'll hold my hands up to a point, I really should have separated the thieves vs the the adultery cases, somewhere in my head I thought I'd written about the cruel act of chopping body parts off.

Seems not so I apologise for the snipe back wholeheartedly BUT to me its a bordering on petty for picking up on that, at the end of the day we both know that places like Saudi and even the newly revamped Libya rule under Sharia law which has some pretty foul practices, the 'law' in these places is shall we say rough.

The fact that a woman is beheaded for adultery which rarely is actually what WE would call adultery and less severe in my book than stealing, yet the often male thief gets a hand chopped off (unless he's rich enough to broker a deal) in comparison hardly seems something to nit pick over.

Neither savage act is correct in an educated world but chopping a woman's head off because she sat in a man's car or was seen walking beside him in the street really is a foul and disgusting act. I myself could not offer a single defence of their 'law', its pure blood lust...

Originally posted by IsraeliGuy
Seeing as you failed to see I compared Sharia driven people to sewer rats, and not you, I can't even take your post seriously. Sorry.

edit on 15-11-2011 by IsraeliGuy because: (no reason given)

I believe you get my drift now.

reply to post by IsraeliGuy

What also is different is the fact that in Sharia law driven countries, sick punishments are the law presented by the religion. I highly doubt that even the most corrupt Catholic priest rapes children because it is written in his holy books, or it is a part of his religion. He is committing crimes on his behalf, and not behalf of his religion.

Christianity is perhaps one of the most ironic religions on earth. Even though there aren't any explicit calls to the kill the infidels, as in Sura 9:5 of the Koran, historical Christianity has probably committed at least as much evil as historical Islam has: The Crusades, the Inquisition. In terms of their relationship with the Jews, although the Muslims were bad at times, the Christians were much more consistent in their cruelty towards the Jews; this despite the fact that the Christian religion based itself on the scriptures of the Jews, and the gospels and letters themselves are fairly pacifist. Still, the crooked Christian theologian-politicians managed to warp verses as calls to convert all the Jews, and if they resisted, to kill them, and rape their women (the Muslim proclivity for raping women was also common amongst the Crusaders who invaded Jewish villages, killed the men, and raped their women)........

The difference between Christianity and Islam seems almost paper thin in this respect, because even if the Koran teaches, in a few places, to kill the polytheists, and destroy the infidel, the Christians still managed to do the same thing, despite the fact that they didn't have any explicit verses calling for the things they did, against the pagan Gauls, Franks, Celts, etc, and surprisingly, against the Jews.

Originally posted by thegagefather

Originally posted by wulff
This is exactly why I say there are time we should step in militarily and blow the living crap out of these people but the liberals call those of us that feels that way 'right-wing war mongers'!
Don't you think this poor girl wold have wanted a 'christian' country like the United States to have come to her aid?
These people that kill young girls that were raped needs to be strung up and show them what HONOR means!
These Islamic radicals are the worst slime humanity ever produced!

What are you, 13 years old and still obsessing with firecrackers and M80's?

Yea, the government is #ed up. BIG SURPRISE. Guess we should just kill everyone and everything that calls the area home. That probably won't make more people hate us, and that will probably stop all the unjust murders in the world.... Right?

GIT'R'DOOOOONE!

You must be the 13 year old, you are okay to stick your liberal head in the sand and let this this happen... look it up I was in 'nam flying B-52's so I didn't have to play with 'firecrackers'!
So, brainiac what is your solution? If this was your daughter or sister what do you suggest?
My idea takes care of the problem once and for good!
you also must be a redneck!

Originally posted by Balkan
I'm sure we had a similiar view of the natives when the conquerers first landed in the Americas.

We must be careful not to condemn all the members of a particular society indiscriminately. But I sure as hell do not feel one shred of remorse for those native americans and cultures that practiced those human sacrifices and such.

reply to post by milkyway12


I compared christianity and Islam, and the individual gods of such- I never said they were the same thing. You have entirely misconstrued what I said.

HELLO!!

What century is this?

What will be the tipping point, will we evolve and become civilized, or slip backwards, as I see it, it can go either way.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000

Originally posted by hmdphantom
reply to post by Thetawave

 

It is just another digged conspiracy intended to be against Iran , but it is much against Islam.

Maybe , You better get some porno videos of the same girls being molested and ask yourself.

Who could do to them ? How they were made to do that .

Oh..and perhaps you can clarify how similar things to what is seen here occur to women in the Islamic culture for being raped or the victims of incest? Again, in the West, they are victims...not ones to be tortured to death.

In some ways the people of America and Iran are so similar..... In other ways, we might as well exist on entirely different planets.

I won't continue this argument , because it has been too long.

You just trust your govt and you don't trust me when I say , This is all propaganda and we don't stone the the victims . I have explained Once about how it is judged.

The whole discussion was useless here for me , it just help me start a new thread about American people and deep effect of MSM on their mind.

IT will start soon.

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
HELLO!!

What century is this?

What will be the tipping point, will we evolve and become civilized, or slip backwards, as I see it, it can go either way.

IT is just a century that people from opposite corner of the world decide to invade a country here.

It is a century with Ipad 2 and Iphone , But savages who support war.

It is the century of stone age that people can teach others by force.

There will be force on the invaders one they.

By another people of power of force.

China will bring America down.

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Yeah they dont stone the victims, only the ones guilty of such horrendous crimes like adultery and homosexuality. they are very much indeed the victims in this.