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The signal is also particularly interesting because its frequency was, within a small margin of error, exactly equal to the spectral line of hydrogen.
Originally posted by Soapusmaximus
Just a follow up point, after a bit of research,
Apparently Maurice Chatelain was never head of communications at NASA, in fact he was an engineer, and it seems he had left NASA before the Apollo 11 mission, so could not have heard Neil Armstrong's secret transmission, that's not to say I don't believe they saw things, in space and on the moon.
Funnily enough Phage has tackled this one Here
Originally posted by icepack
reply to post by Misterlondon
thanks for your effort. what does this "6EQUJ5" actualy mean ?
He (Lennon) said he believed life existed on other planets, that it had visited us, that maybe it was observing us right now. He took me to a quieter, darker table, lit a cigarette and pointed its glowing tip at my face.
“You believe in this stuff, right?” he asked me. “Well, you ain’t f---in’ gonna believe this.
"Make no mistake, Roswell happened. I've seen secret files which show the government knew about it — but decided not to tell the public." — Ed Mitchell Source
"WOW!" SETI Signal I've already given most of my opinion on this. While I'm definitely intrigued by the possibility that the "WOW!" signal was sent by some extraterrestrial intelligence, I don't believe so. I believe it was most likely a result either of some natural cosmological event (perhaps akin to a supernova or a once-off pulsar) or of some other coincidental terrestrial event (though, this is highly improbably...hence, it would have to be very coincidental).
2003 SETI Signal This signal, SHGb02+14a, was similar to the "WOW!" signal because, while it was less intense and was "heard" multiple times, it occurred at the same frequency - the hydrogen line of about 1420 MHz. This, to me, suggests that both this and the "WOW!" signal are the result of some unknown natural hydrogen-based phenomenon.
At the moment, I think Mars is probably our best chance of discovering extraterrestrial life. It would no doubt be microbial, but life nonetheless. Plus, it would likely be fossilized, as Mars is less than satisfactory for sustaining life today. That, of course, is barring the ability of microbial life to adapt to a barren, dry, harsh environment, which is always possible. In the words of Ian Malcolm, "Life will find a way."
I would consider the chance of finding life on any moon to be less than that of finding life on Mars, even though water still exists on those moons you mentioned. Lunar conditions are bound to be less favorable than those of a planet, especially given typically elliptical orbits, the general lack of an atmosphere, and much lower gravity. Again, like on Mars, if life is found on any moon, it would probably be microbial - and I would bet even less advanced than anything we might in Mars' past.
I'm not sure about Venus' planetary history, but I find it hard to believe, even if Venus were once suitable for supporting life, that we have any chance of finding evidence of that life now, given current conditions on the planet. Unless dinosaur-sized animals once roamed its surface, leaving a vast source of sizable fossils, I doubt much evidence exists.
Also in 2002, Chemical hints of life were found in old data from Venus probes and landers.
Life in Venus' clouds may be the best way to explain some curious anomalies in the composition of its atmosphere, claimed University of Texas astrobiologists in 2002.
The researchers' suggested solution to this conundrum is that microbes live in the Venusian atmosphere
The Drake Equation
I appreciate that you added this section purely for the sake of argument, as it doesn't actually provide any scientific evidence.
Ever since mom told me the story of her and her brother seeing a UFO at night that was illuminating their house with red, white, and blue lights, I've been of the opinion that all UFO sightings fall into four categories:
1) military projects
2) misidentified objects (weather balloons, rocket launches, etc.)
3) psychosomatic/neurological sources (delusions, hallucinations, etc.)
Originally posted by Misterlondon
The fact that they were sent on the hydrogen frequency actually adds more weight to the theory of intelligent life because if someone wanted to get noticed this frequency would be an ideal one to transmit on.
the reason [Mars] is our best chance of finding life imo is because of our current technology.. It is the best possibility this is where we will find evidence of life first.
If you want, we can totally throw the drake equation out of the window.. instead we'll just use common sense.. I mean do you honestly think we are the only form of life in the entire universe?
as you say you got it first hand from one of the best sources on the planet, your mum.. and your still not convinced.
so this time we just have to agree to disagree..
Originally posted by Griffo515
The evidence has always been here, its called "The Drake Equation" Look it up!
Originally posted by Griffo515
reply to post by Misterlondon
The evidence has always been here, its called "The Drake Equasion" Look it up!
N = the number of civilizations in our galaxy with which communication might be possible;
R* = the average rate of star formation per year in our galaxy
ƒp = the fraction of those stars that have planets
ne = the average number of planets that can potentially support life per star that has planets
ƒℓ = the fraction of the above that actually go on to develop life at some point
fi = the fraction of the above that actually go on to develop intelligent life
ƒc = the fraction of civilizations that develop a technology that releases detectable signs of their existence into space
L = the length of time such civilizations release detectable signals into space.
Radio astronomer Frank Drake developed the Drake equation so he could estimate the number of planets harboring intelligent life in the galaxy by taking into consideration the factors listed above. A rigorous estimate using the Drake Equation was implemented in 2001, which also took into consideration the number of planets that are in the habitable zone (The habitable zone is an area around a star were water is in liquid form, temperature is ideal, and photosynthesis is possible). The results found that hundreds of thousands of life-bearing planets statistically should exist. It also suggested that a habitable planet like the Earth should exist just a few hundred light years away.
For example, right now, we don't know if Alpha Centari has any planets, but we probably will soon. It would be great to dig up an old carving or manuscript that specifically says Alpha Centari has three small rocky planets and three large gas giants, and there's no question about it or room for interpretation. Then we can hypothesize that whoever made the carving or wrote the manuscript had information that could not have been gotten by conventional means. Then we find out exactly how many planets Alpha Centari has. If it exactly matches, then we can at least claim a success.
The myths of the Dogon tribesmen of Mall, West Africa, contain astronomical knowledge which the native people could have neither learned by themselves nor guessed.
Dogon legends speak of Jupiter's four moons and Saturn's rings, which were not seen by human beings until the invention of the telescope.
They speak of the star Sirius and of a pair of invisible companions. One of them circles Sirius every fifty years, the legends declare, and is made of a metal that is the heaviest thing in the universe.
Astronomers have discovered that such an object (called "Sirius-B") does exist but only the most sophisticated and sensitive instruments -- unavailable, of course, to the Dogons -- can detect it.
Originally posted by CLPrime
But, intelligent, sentient life...not so much. Insofar as civilization-forming lifeforms are concerned, I believe we've got this universe all to ourselves.