“Experts” Push For Lithium To Be Added To Our Drinking Water, page 1

Apparently there are not enough chemicals already added to our drinking water, as there is now a call by “experts” to further poison our water supplies by adding Lithium. Their main reason is to decrease suicide and violent crime rates. So it this how we wish to function as a society? Instead of dealing with our issues at hand, let’s drug ourselves so that we don’t have to deal with personal subjects that may be perceived as hard, negative or scary. This is not a time for putting our heads in the sand and pretending or even hoping that an issue will just resolve itself. Where is the personal growth in that? Don’t you feel elated when you resolve a personal issue that no longer hangs over your head or weights on your mind? It is more important than ever to clear ourselves of past issues that we have held onto and allow more room for the new energies coming to earth to take its place within our being.

Fan-freaking-tastic. So to help lower suicide risk, just dose the entire population with an anti depressant. I assume taking lithium also makes one a little easier to control or steer. Get everyone a little more dosed an the population is less likely to revolt or ask questions.

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reply to post by Domo1

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By experts they mean "People with a degree and lots of money in their back pocket".
Money probably from the metal industry, with is just how fluoride got in our water; because fluoride is a bi-product of aluminium processing. They needed a cheap way to dispose of it, what better then in people’s stomachs.
I’m going to do some research and see who would need to offload cheap lithium.
This is down right dangerous, we need to look at the long-term effects. Which no doubt these 'experts' will ignore.

reply to post by Domo1

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No way they're going to even try this. I hope this is just a fool throwing something against the wall.

Lithium in the water would mean the opposite that they intend...it would cause depression and suicide, not prevent it.

I really don't think this would ever happen, no way!

Originally posted by soapbox
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No way they're going to even try this. I hope this is just a fool throwing something against the wall.

Lithium in the water would mean the opposite that they intend...it would cause depression and suicide, not prevent it.

I really don't think this would ever happen, no way!

Taking off babies diapers to check for bombs and then touching their genitals in the airport! No Way it will ever happen.

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^^

Well said.

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We are quickly arriving at a THX 1138 scenario when the government starts pumping mood enhancing drugs into our water supply.

Originally posted by Domo1


Fan-freaking-tastic. So to help lower suicide risk, just dose the entire population with an anti depressant. I assume taking lithium also makes one a little easier to control or steer. Get everyone a little more dosed an the population is less likely to revolt or ask questions.

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This issue has been addressed in a thread once before (here).


I'll respond to this in the same way as I did in that thread (copy pasted and then adapted to clarify a few bits from this reply)


A lot of water in a lot of the parts of the world already have lithium as a natural constituent of their drinking water - Japan and Argentina, for example (and parts of the US).

It seems many of you are confusing this with the stuff they used to market for bipolar disorder. The major issue with that stuff was as a result of the quantities that needed to be taken in order for it to work efficiently. The amount they are talking about in drinking water is much, much less - trace amounts, in fact. As such, they do not have the same side affects associated with lithium carbonate as a medication.

Some good papers to read on the subject (because news and media articles are about as intellectually valuable as the paper they're written on):

www.springerlink.com...

(many of you won't have full access to this one, but you can read the abstract):

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

The point of this next one is to show that Li is already in the water:

www.sciencedirect.com...

It's important to note a couple of things with that last one. Firstly, Li appears as a trace element and comes from natural sources - i.e., it's preexisting in the water before it gets bottled. Secondly, the abstract notes that initial Li concentrations are comparable to that found in the blood-plasma of a patient being treated with Li. This may be true, I won't deny that, but it is critical to remember that blood plasma levels are nowhere near the same as the amounts that were ingested by the patient. In fact, this site states that initial dosages should start at 600mg and increase in due course. This is considerably higher than the amounts quoted in water samples for the first two sources. Indeed, even in Argentina, where water is laden with lithium, you only ever get about 1000ug/L (that's a thousand micrograms); that equates to 1mg, which is 600 times less than in the starting dose of a single lithium tablet. In addition to that, the body can clear excess lithium from the body via the kidneys quite quickly.

To summarise the point of the last paragraph: considering the extreme case presented in Argentina, you're consuming 600 times less lithium per litre of water than you do by consuming a single tablet; that which is absorbed is then cleared quite quickly by the body's renal system, which negates the possibility for chronic toxicity issues.

I'm not sure if lithium will ever be added to water supplies because I'm not sure if there's any point. It's already there, for the most part at least.

Edit to add:

I found this paper just now, which is more detailed and fairly interesting:

www.jacn.org...

reply to post by hypervalentiodine

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The problem is that one thing is natural occurring additives in the water and another chemical produced ones, like our fluoride in the water has become and it comes from China this days, when this type of unnatural additives are added to our drinking water they become hazardous to human consumption with many side effects as one size do not fit all, like the government and scientist wants us to believe, what works for you may be poisonous for me

Originally posted by marg6043
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The problem is that one thing is natural occurring additives in the water and another chemical produced ones, like our fluoride in the water has become and it comes from China this days, when this type of unnatural additives are added to our drinking water they become hazardous to human consumption with many side effects as one size do not fit all, like the government and scientist wants us to believe, what works for you may be poisonous for me

That depends entirely on what they add, I suppose. You seem to think that the naturally occurring lithium compounds are hidden under some great shroud of mystery and that there is no way science could possibly make the same compounds - it isn't and we can. Again though, I really don't see this happening.

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Thats the same attitude the jews had in the 1930s, "dont worry it wont and cant get any worse", then they qere marched to the gas ovens.

Originally posted by WakeUpRiseUp
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By experts they mean "People with a degree and lots of money in their back pocket".
Money probably from the metal industry, with is just how fluoride got in our water; because fluoride is a bi-product of aluminium processing. They needed a cheap way to dispose of it, what better then in people’s stomachs.
I’m going to do some research and see who would need to offload cheap lithium.
This is down right dangerous, we need to look at the long-term effects. Which no doubt these 'experts' will ignore.

edit on 14-11-2011 by WakeUpRiseUp because: (no reason given)

No ny experts he should mean the big Pharmasutical companies , these companies make way more money than the oil companies . They have been trying to push drugging the population for years , they already do with floride .

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Thanks for that explanation Hypervalentiodine. I learned something today.



Cheers

Rock Ape.

Originally posted by hypervalentiodine

Originally posted by marg6043
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The problem is that one thing is natural occurring additives in the water and another chemical produced ones, like our fluoride in the water has become and it comes from China this days, when this type of unnatural additives are added to our drinking water they become hazardous to human consumption with many side effects as one size do not fit all, like the government and scientist wants us to believe, what works for you may be poisonous for me

That depends entirely on what they add, I suppose. You seem to think that the naturally occurring lithium compounds are hidden under some great shroud of mystery and that there is no way science could possibly make the same compounds - it isn't and we can. Again though, I really don't see this happening.

With the current political atmosphere I can see it being pushed but hopefully they're not that foolish. I think the underlying tone here is that it doesn't matter what it is that they're adding it's the fact that they are adding it under 1 pretense when it is actually something entirely different.

Regardless of it's effects they should not be adding anything to the water supply unless it is to neutralize bacteria that would otherwise be harmful to us. They should make sure that whatever they are adding has little to no adverse effects.

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