Are these terrible things said about Ron Paul true?

What people need to realise is that this election is going to be between dictatorship and freedom. Ron paul supports freedom other support dictatorship. Whats your choice? Hitler or the US founding fathers.

Here is what this website is saying:

"At 1 AM this morning, man A killed man B. Man A should be locked up for life and the key sold for scrap." They don't bother to tell you that man B was holding man A's 5 year old daughter hostage with a butcher knife.

Figure out the "why" of those 10 reasons. You can find most, if not all, of your answers right here on ATS, even with their craptastic search engine.

/TOA

One more thing:

One reason to vote for Ron Paul: He's the only candidate, including our sitting president, willing to stop murdering the citizens of sovereign nations for their oil.

/TOA

reply to post by woodwardjnr


Yes,But he will destroy the fed and prevent hyperinflation.Deflation is much better than hyperinflation anyday.

As an outsider, i would say that Ron Paul has a lot of positives but also a lot of negatives. For me though, he does appear to be a bit of an "isolationist" for America and that is a bad thing (IMO) - US regimes have pushed for global free markets for decades. They are here now and tbh the rest of the world wouldn't put up with things like trade tariffs on steel (example only) anymore - US products would simply be bypassed and purchased elsewhere like China or India. This would lead to heightened tensions between the US and everyone else.......

I like a lot of Ron Paul, i do not like the idea of isolationism. Would any of our American cousins like to put their opinions on this? Do you think isolationism is more likely under Ron Paul and would this be a good thing?

reply to post by Flavian


I have no .idea how stopping the destruction of foreign countries becomes isolationism. It is the ruse used by the personal friends and corpoations who acquire the personal contracts to Nation Build cry this. Follow the money trail. It becomes easy to find who the hounds are. Since the Left and the Right in US politics are bought and paid for by the same group. One can only expect the same from both sides.

reply to post by Flavian


Would those "Global Free Markets" also include the ability of oil producers to trade their goods in currencies other than the US dollar? No? Didn't think so!

reply to post by redrose123


Interesting take on it - i have been led to believe (not in US so no idea if really true) that Ron Paul essentially wishes to retreat from the global stage and become more US centric (if that makes sense?). I read an article (can't remember in what publication) that said he favoured re introducing trade tariffs, etc that suit America and effectively screw the rest of the world. If true, i believe that will turn into a major own goal over the coming years........

The other possibility obviously is that it is all lies and aimed at smearing him..........

reply to post by Britguy


The trade in US dollars is down to the fact that the US is the superpower - this is not set in stone and will eventually change. It may be 5 years it may be 50 years. Not sure what point you are making?

reply to post by Flavian


isolationism is the best.Look at Russia it has returned as a major power thanks to Isolationism,Austrian economics ,entrepreneurship and some extent Vladimir Putin.

Low tax and excessively laissez faire? The news reporting about Russia is so devoid of information that few Americans know about this. Russia did a couple of years ago what Ronald Reagan couldn t pull off; it has introduced a flat personal income tax. The single rate for earned income 13%. The corporate income tax rate is 24%, and it is widely considered (even by the Communists) that this is still too high. Dividend income is taxed at 6%. Social taxes are regressive, starting at about 35% but falling to less than 1% for incomes over a few thousand dollars a month. The value added tax is high at 20%, and the Putin administration s next tax bill will propose halving that to 10%. Laissez faire? The state has practically withdrawn from direct involvement in the economy, and with more than 90% of GNP produced in the private sector (including GNP which is supposed to be produced in the shadow economy), Russia is (by that measure) the most capitalist country in Europe. No wonder the old socialists in Brussels are worried about Russia. In Russian universities, obscure Austrian economists dominate the economics courses. The cover story of one issue of Kommersant weekly (Russia s Wall Street Journal) this past January marked the 49th anniversary of Schumpeter' s death (if I remember correctly). [Joseph Schumperter died on January 8, 1950, so it must have been his 52nd anniversary, if I remember my arithmetic. I was surprised that he has such an influence in Russia; he represents dog-eat-dog, law of the jungle economics, which I judge a sure route to social disaster.RH.].

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reply to post by ludwigvonmises003


I didn't think Russia was isolationist? It has opened up massively for foreign investment and global trading? Its a very interesting report though and shows what could be accomplished. I would have to say though that there is an awful lot that the report doesn't include - social conditions, corruption, etc. It was reported last year by Russian state media that corruption was so bad in the Moscow area that it would be cheaper to build new roads using a 3ft layer of cavier rather than tarmac!

reply to post by Flavian


The point I was making is that the US has imposed it's will on others, which is hardly a free market. Producers should be able demand payment in whatever currency, or even trade / barter system, that will benefit them. The idea that sovereign states must first buy US dollars, in order to buy oil products is simply ridiculous, but has allowed the US to live it's life of excess.
Why do you think all the oil producers are getting regime changes? That's right! To remove leaders who planned on introducing oil trades in other currencies or, big shock, gold backed currency.
You simply cannot have a free market when you are holding a gun to the head og other sellers or traders, imposing your will, perceived superpower or not.

reply to post by Britguy


So what are you going to do about it?

The World seems to like buying oil in Dollars.. the ones who could potentially challenge us, minus Russia who's the only one with the balls to, still buys our Dollars to buy their oil. They don't have to .. it's just the way it's done. It also helps that the United States and Britain buy the vast majority of oil in the World first, and resell it as a commodity in the markets.

reply to post by Britguy


Aah, cheers for clearing that up for me - i wasn't arguing, just didn't get where you were coming from.......

Big oil has the power because they have been allowed to have the power. This could quite conceivably change in the future but not for a few years yet.

reply to post by Flavian


Russia has corruption issues no doubt but it is not attacking nations and sponsoring revolutions and wars incessantly. Also there is no big government there and govt does not dictate what we can eat or cannot like in Communist Amerika.

As in communist Amerika corruption is in trillions of dollars.

As for social conditions,its improving though slowily but Putin does not want to construct a nanny state in Russia with the people acting like petulant children.

reply to post by Rockpuck


Iran,Russia,even China is worked deals to buy oil in yuan.Using military to intimidate the free market is what USA today is best at just like the freakin commies.But thankfully,Putin is working to create Russia based on Austrian economics and libertarianism.

USA needs to learn from Russia.

reply to post by ludwigvonmises003


Get your point but take exception to Russia not attacking other states - Georgia, Chechnya, South Ossetia, etc etc.

If anything, i would say that Russia has been far from Isolationist in the last 10-15 years. It has obviously concentrated on the home front but has expanded its economic interests to a global level.

Personally, i would like the UK to be much closer tied to Russia economically and (possibly) militarily. Won't happen though sadly.

reply to post by Flavian


Please check before you post:

1) Chechnya is part of Russia and Britain provides asylum to Islamic fundamentalists of Chechnya
2)Georgia attacked and killed russian peacekeepers in South Ossetia.
3)Then Came Russian retaliation in Georgia.

Chechnyan war was a result of Turkey's attempt to destabilize Russia in 90's on the behalf of CIA
And Russia is isolationist till poked or provoked .

reply to post by ludwigvonmises003


Russia is trying to create an Absolute Monarchy. "Libertarianism" lol..

Putin, the same guy who arrested the wealthiest Russian, nationalized his oil industry, assumed his wealth, and within a few years was himself the wealthiest person in Russia.