The Martian moons Phobos and Deimos described 150 years before their discovery., page 1
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Topic started on 13-11-2011 @ 11:06 PM by lostinspace
In Gulliver’s Travels, Jonathan Swift describes the orbital periods of the Martian moons Phobos and Deimos.

They [the Laputians] have likewise discovered two lesser stars, or satellites, which revolve about Mars, whereof the innermost is distant from the center of the primary planet exactly three of its diameters, and the outermost five; the former revolves in the space of ten hours, and the latter in twenty-one and a half; so that the squares of their periodical times are very near the same proportion with the cubes of their distance from the center of Mars, which evidently shows them to be governed by the same law of gravitation that influences the other heavenly bodies.

www.unmuseum.org...

Moons of Mars and their discovery

Phobos’ orbital period is actually 7.6 hours, Swift predicted 10 hours.
Deimos’ orbital period is actually 30.2 hours, Swift predicted 21.5 hours.

This is a pretty good guess seeing they weren’t discovered for another 150 years. These are the only moons in orbit around Mars just as Swift described.

Gulliver’s Travels - 1726
Astronomical observation - 1877

Sometimes fantasy reveals truth. The Laputians were a people who inhabited a floating island that traveled through space. They learned the science of levitating heavy bodies. This is how Laputa is described in Gulliver's Travels.

Laputa is a fictional flying island or rock, about 4.5 miles in diameter, with an adamantine base, which its inhabitants can maneuver in any direction using magnetic levitation. Its population consists mainly of educated people, who are fond of mathematics, astronomy, music and technology, but fail to make practical use of their knowledge (the rest are their servants).

en.wikipedia.org...


I think these two moons have an interesting story to tell once we can get onto their surfaces.


reply posted on 13-11-2011 @ 11:29 PM by lostinspace
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My thoughts exactly. I just watched X-Men First Class last night and I felt compelled to post this today. I couldn't believe Wolverine told Magneto and Professor X to F-off when they first approached him in the early days.


reply posted on 13-11-2011 @ 11:35 PM by lostinspace
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I didn't think about that.

Did you know they named one of the craters on Deimos after Swift?


reply posted on 14-11-2011 @ 12:08 AM by l_e_cox
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The point is: Are we to consider this an unusual feat of premonition, or evidence of prior knowledge of astronomy on earth?

We know that there is considerable evidence that ancient groups knew all sorts of things that were only officially "discovered" later.

Readers should be aware that this book, written circa 1730 and generally considered to be a political satire, is FULL of magic, esoteric references, and a lot of just plain weird stuff.

We can only assume that something was happening back then that was connecting planetary memory to aspects of the most distant past. It seems that by the time of the American Revolution, this connection was beginning to be closed down. Secret societies, such as the Illuminati in Germany had to form (1776) to escape extremely dogmatic suppression from the Vatican; fully supported, it seems, by most governments of that time. This is one reason why the "colonies" grew so fast, but also the reason why their history was tainted from the beginning by practices like slavery and dope smuggling.

This is the first time my attention has been directed to Swift's writings due to what they contain. I think it is significant that men were writing of such things in those days, as "fiction." long before so many of the things they thought of were considered "fact."


reply posted on 14-11-2011 @ 12:26 AM by lostinspace
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Thanks for the added contribution I_e_cox.

I also wondered if Swift had access to ancient documents that described the Martian moons. It's interesting to note that Jonathon Swift did not publish under his real name. For some reason he wanted to remain anonymous. Someone told me he did that because he was a doctor and writing was not socially acceptable for a person of that kind of education. I'm not too sure about that.

Swift originally published all of his works under pseudonyms—such as Lemuel Gulliver, Isaac Bickerstaff, M.B. Drapier—or anonymously.

en.wikipedia.org...


reply posted on 14-11-2011 @ 01:03 AM by spacekc929
Jonathan Swift was inspired by Kepler.

"Some cult literature has sprung up to address how Swift could have known about the Martian moons, since they weren't discovered until 1877. Some have suggested that Swift himself was a Martian!

In reality, the idea that Mars might have two satellites goes back to Johannes Kepler's 1610 memoir, in which he misconstrued Galileo's anagram to his friends announcing his discovery of Saturn's rings. The anagram was:

s m a i s m r m i l m e p o e t a l e u m i b u n e n u g t t a u i r a s

the correct solution of which was:
Altissimum planetam tergeminum observavi. "I have observed the highest (most distant) planet [Saturn] to have a triple form." (rings)

Kepler, a born riddle solver, made strenuous efforts to decipher Galileo's string of characters, but he misconstrued the scrambled message to mean:

Salue umbistineum geminatum Martia proles. "Hail, twin companionship, children of Mars", or "I greet you, double knob, children of Mars".

When Kepler originally learned of Jupiter's four moons, and compared this with the Earth's one Moon, he had already predicted from mathematical progression that Mars must have two moons (by the geometrical progression 1,2,4...). Now Kepler surmised that Galileo had discovered two Martian moons exactly as he had predicted!"
www.gullivercode.com...

Kepler got lucky. Jonathan Swift was inspired by Kepler. There is no conspiracy. The moons Swift describes are very similar, but they are not similar enough to pretend that we had some sort of astronomical secret data. Or else the data would be correct, I would think. besides, why would Jonathan Swift of all people have this data? I am reading a book about the scientific revolution right now and the people who would have actually had access to this data, the people in the Royal Society of England of the Academie Royale of France (Halley, Flamsteed, Newton, Huygens, Wren, Cassini, Galileo, Kepler, etc) would have published this data, because they were all very ravenous about discussing their new discoveries.


reply posted on 14-11-2011 @ 05:15 PM by Illustronic
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Star for you, makes some sense, 1,2,4 progression of known moons. They must be small since yet undetected, likely relatively close, and orbital dynamics even at that time would approximate orbital periods. A great deal was known then about Mars's rotation, and orbit (similar to earths rotation). A lot of these authors were not only inspired by science but scholars of science in their times, if not professionally, but in research for ideas and depicting what can and may be more convincingly in literature.



reply posted on 15-11-2011 @ 01:07 AM by lostinspace
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Thanks for the contribution spacekc929. I enjoyed reading the gullivercode link you provided.

So an error on Kepler’s part made him believe in something that wasn’t true. His theoretical progression of orbiting moons was his own belief. Let’s give credit to Kepler for the two moon idea and lets give credit to Swift for the orbital period idea. Astronomers gave more credit to Swift than to Kepler when naming geological formation and craters on Phobos.

Geological features on Phobos are named after astronomers who studied Phobos and people and places from Jonathan Swift's Gulliver's Travels. There is one named regio, Laputa Regio, and one named planitia, Lagado Planitia; both are named after places in Gulliver's Travels (the fictional Laputa, a flying island, and Lagado, imaginary capital of the fictional nation Balnibarbi). The only named ridge on Phobos is Kepler Dorsum, named after the astronomer Johannes Kepler.

en.wikipedia.org...(moon)

There are eight craters on Phobos named after characters from Gulliver’s Travels.
Seven are named after various astronomers who searched for the moons and two are named after Asaph Hall and his wife.
en.wikipedia.org...(moon)

Gulliver’s Travels are forever memorialized onto Phobos because of Swift’s good guess. Now I’ve got to get my hands on book III to see what other mysterious gems lie hidden in plain site.
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