Pope: Pedophilia Was "Fully In Conformity With Man And Even With Children"

of course let's be the stereotype of conspiracy "nuts" and take everything out of context and mold it into something incredible. Oh and by the way i'm catholic AND don't feel right about this pope...something seems off

I believe in God, the Father Almighty,
the Maker of heaven and earth,
and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord:

Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost,
born of the virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, dead, and buried;

He descended into hell.
The third day He arose again from the dead;

He ascended into heaven,
and sitteth on the right hand of God the Father Almighty;
from thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead.

I believe in the Holy Ghost;
the holy catholic church;
the communion of saints;
the forgiveness of sins;
the resurrection of the body;
and the life everlasting.

That being said, I am no fan of our current Pope and can hardly believe this man was chosen to be the head of the Catholic church. I will not bash the faith I am so grateful to have just as I will not bash the country I live in because I dislike it's leader.

If anyone doesn't know, the above prayer is called The Apostles Creed.

what almost everybody in this thread has failed to understand is that, like most things, what was said was taken out of context. the pope was actually vilifying pedophilia. and this article subscribes to the uninformed. DENY ignorance folks. that's what this forum is about. if you aren't willing to do the research yourself and only listen to hear-say then you are no better than the ignorance we are trying to suppress.

that being said he could have taken a stronger stance against this, but that can be said about most people our day and age against evil.

reply to post by purplemer


The Roman Catholic church is garbage the whole POPE is the head of the church is a huge farce... why would you expect any less than this from a fraudulent perverse organization.

Oh, I guess this is all to soften the BIG revelation; that likely the Sex trade has been run by the Catholic church, and perhaps even other Churches. Note that the "Baptist" church trying to adopt a bunch of kids during the Haiti disaster -- AFTER they were caught, the lawyer managing the scam was "independent" -- hundreds of thousands of kids bought and sold every year SOMEONE has to be making this part of the system, don't they?

I don't REALLY think that is the reason for this "admission or excuse" -- I'm only hoping out loud. The current Pope got his job after all -- not because he was the closest Bishop to God, but because other Pedophiles probably felt safe having a guy in charge who covered up for the molestation of thousands of deaf kids. If you think that's flaky, explain why the ONE NAZIS in the club who happens to have covered up a pedo ring gets the job -- go ahead. What is so great about the latest pope? This guy stops condoms going to people dying of AIDs in Africa, because he's got a direct line to "what would Jesus do?"


It's been my "crazy conspiracy theory" for some time, that people leading the NeoCons and C-Street were somehow involved in the child sex trade--and that the NeoCons not unlike a LOT of power brokers in the world, kept the members in line by making sure they had "dirt on them." Nobody gets indicted for starting a war; but the ONLY get thrown out of power on some perversion charge (like Anthony Wiener after he made an issue of Clarence Thomas's wife making over $700,000 for 4 months of consulting so he could deliver a good vote for her new paycheck which he also failed to report on his taxes).

I also remember the Florida Senator, who got SUPPORTED by Karl Rove after he learned the man had a thing for young Page boys. AFTER. Then the guy gets put in charge of the Committee for Child Endangerment. What a coincidence, right? The Senator is a loyal crook for years, but a few months after he criticizes Bush, an FBI agent decides that 5 years of the local newspapers in St. Petersburg Florida sitting on the story is enough (yes, papers willingly just didn't print about this perv).

Maybe ONE or TWO cases of some crook getting "outed" after walking off the reservation would be a coincidence -- but I've noted this dozens of times. I could not rule out that almost EVERY sex scandal wasn't as retribution for someone "breaking club rules." Nothing that points to the massive corruption in Washington or Multinational Business.

Note, that even after Oil Regulators had drug-fueled orgies with the Oil Representatives they were SUPPOSED to be regulating -- NOBODY I know of is getting punished.

I remember there was a charity that the Bush family, Cheney, Abramoff and a whole list of top level PNAC people at the time, all donated to; it was for runaway kids and it used to have an 800 number. And of course, Bush's Arab billionaires ALSO donated -- because they are just such loving people.

Since reading about this CURIOUS charity ALL the PNAC people were involved in, about a decade ago - I've since been unable to find any trace of it on the web -- but maybe someone else might do better (I think there was a connection with the Lincoln Group and maybe John McCain's "Keating 5" -- or maybe the bad guys are all blurring together). I know that a lot of Charity's are used as slush funds to move funds around -- so it could have just been a NeoCon/PNAC hidden funding group. Abramoff needs to pay for a lot of plane tickets as he subverts the United States after all.

But THEN, the JonBenet Ramsey case comes up -- out of the blue. Does anyone remember "John Mark Karr"? He's got the middle name everyone the media makes notorious seems to tack on,... He's now the transgender person known as Alexis Rich
He used to be a White House Page -- and all of a sudden, he gets out of molestation charges in Japan because he claims to have "Murdered JonBenet Ramsey" and is extradited with the help of the Bush White House.

When he gets to the USA, he recants and charges are dropped and the media finds another blonde girl kidnapping for Nancy Grace to get upset about.

>> And I was one of the people who said; "leave the Ramsey family alone..."
But WHY was this guy getting cover at the top level, to get out of molestation in Japan, and then the charges are dropped? How does having ANOTHER murder charge get you out of jail for NORMAL people?


>> I could go on and on about the connections here -- the seemingly random and strange junk that goes on. But let's go back to "C-Street" -- the wayward home for Dominionist Politicians to hang out when they aren't pushing moralist laws on Congress. C-Street isn't just a political influence peddling club; it's a brothel. And those members get silence about their sex as long as they play ball.

This MIGHT connect to the "Pokers and Prostitutes" at the Watergate Hotel -- the head of the CIA resigned over that ...

reply to post by MikeboydUS

I can't imagine why any Christian would have a problem affirming those seven basic laws.

It's a question of authority. If a Christian affirms that there is a 7 Laws of Noah, then that Christian is confirming the validity of Babylonian Talmud, Sanhedrin 56a. Should Christians follow the Babylonian Talmud?

If Rabbinic Judaism has the authority to declare 7 Laws to Gentiles, do they have the authority to determine how the laws are interpreted and applied?

The two main obstacles for Christians, Pagans, Hindus, Atheists, Deists, Agnostics, Pantheists, and the vast unlabeled, is the definition of Idolatry and Blasphemy. Who has the authority to define these terms (Idolatry, Blasphemy)? Who decides the penalties? Babylonian Talmud has definitions and penalties, ie death by strangulation for idolatry, death by beheading for blasphemy.

Should a Christian die for saying "Jesus is Lord"? Rabbinic Judaism believes so.

First, as has already been pointed out, the Pope was absolutely not defending pedophilia. He was in fact expressing his outrage that as recently as the 70's it wasn't necessarily considered wrong, and he is indignant that there is an increasing amount of child pornography.

Second, I am sick and tired of people twisting around the words of the Pope to bash Catholics. Yes, the Catholics have a hierarchy. Does that mean that every single Catholic believes every single thing that the Pope states? No. that's like saying that because we live in America we can all be represented by Obama. It's silly. The things that Catholics HAVE to believe are things that the Pope has no control over - things like that Jesus is the Son of God and part of the Trinity and that the Eucharist transubstantiates into the body and blood of Christ and that there are 7 sacraments and things like this. The things the Pope and Vatican have actual control over are liturgical, things like "Use these readings at Mass" and "use this translation" and "this person is a saint and her feast day will be on this day." It doesn't change what Catholics believe and feel and in fact many Catholics do not feel as if their viewpoints are represented by the Pope, just as many Americans do not feel their viewpoints are represented by Obama.

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by rebellender

 

Why is what the daughters did good? They did it on their free will. God never endorsed it. Not every action in the bible is endorsed by God, that's pretty obvious. You have to talk about what evil is. And what the daughters did was evil.

edit on 14-11-2011 by Gorman91 because: (no reason given)

a bit smug a reply dont you think? can you please define your defensiveness to my post or do you just wish to be combative.

Here I will fix this for you , take you back to the immorality and the judgement passed and destruction of the 2 cities then Lots daughters screw their daddy. Free will in Sodom free will in the cave. Free will between Priest and little boys all just free will ????????????

Originally posted by purplemer
reply to post by something wicked

 

The headline was in the past tense and it is correct. I really do not know why you are sticking up for an organisation that it rotten to the core...

roman catholic church's pedophile investigator jailed for possessing thousands of child porn images.

A Catholic Church child safety co-ordinator who was in charge of investigating sexual abuse allegations was jailed for 12 months today for internet peadophile offences. Christopher Jarvis, 49, a married father-of-four, investigated historic claims of child abuse, interviewing the victims when they were adults.

subrealism.blogspot.com...


Rotten to the core.. There is no need to make stuff up...

No, you are taking a lead line from a media agency without looking at the detail. You are making a headline without giving the actual facts

Originally posted by caladonea
reply to post by something wicked

 

I was raised in the Catholic religion and sent to private Catholic schools for 12 years....I was taught mostly by nuns and priests I saw a lot of corruption, hypocrisy, and was subjected to some of it.

So....yes I am very opinionated on the topic in this thread.

Yes, but you aren't looking at the real issue. I also went to Catholic schools and was never subject or exposed to any abuse. By your own measurement does that mean the issues were localised?

reply to post by something wicked


You've had your experience...I've had mine. I stand by my original opinion. I am weary of this discussion....so I am through discussing it. Take care.

reply to post by MikeboydUS

The 7 Noahide Laws have been part of Christianity since the start of the Church, even if not called that name. Paul outlines the same principles as basic rules for Gentile converts after the Council of Jerusalem . . .

In Acts, there is some sort of story vaguely similar but that is a much late addition to the New Testament, and Paul himself denies any such meeting ever having taken place nor does he ever affirm any interest in such things. What the Noahide Laws are is exactly the sort of thing which caused the split between Jews and Christians in the first place which is the Rabbinical Councils setting themselves up as equal or greater an authority than God Himself. This is idolatry, pure and simple, worshiping the dictates of men as self-appointed judges and rulers over the world. There is nothing godly about submitting to such ambitious people, and in fact the opposite would be true, which is submitting to this authority is tantamount to rejecting Christ in favor of the anti-christ and bowing down to the Man of Sin seated in the temple and calling himself God. Those who take the Mark of the Beast, which is the number of man, will be cast into the Lake of Fire.

With leadership like that, then it starts to make sense how this got so out of control over the years, and why there was so much emphasis on covering it up, even though they knew exactly what was going on.

I really cannot fathom how much a leader could be so out of touch with public sentiment about such an important problem concerning a dastardly assault on our children by (of all others) those that they are supposed to respect and look up to them while pursuing a religious education.

In another viewpoint, back in the 70's , if you were caught molesting a child by any of the guys I hung around with , you would have been beaten or shot in the testicles before any "authorities" ever found out about it. If the guilty party made it to prison, then they would have stood a good chance of being murdered by a cellmate.

So where is this "Full Conformity" bullcrap coming from, anyway? I believe that in those days, the tolerance level was much worse than today!

Out of touch, lack of common judgement, lack of trust. Fired, in any other business on this planet.

Originally posted by caladonea
reply to post by something wicked

 

You've had your experience...I've had mine. I stand by my original opinion. I am weary of this discussion....so I am through discussing it. Take care.

So you aren't open to discussing yeah? Then don't bother posting, it means nothing to post an opinion with nothing to back it up.

reply to post by VitriolAndAngst


... Sorry, it seems I've reminded myself of the hundreds of "Connections" I remember reading and WHY I think this is part of a large conspiracy -- that controls a LOT of governments -- and I'd say almost exclusively, CONSERVATIVE NeoCon governments.

The Poker and Prostitute scandal at the Watergate, involved funds from Homeland Security (their Limousine fund of $3 Million if I remember correctly). But the investigation went nowhere, and it was curious that we LEARNED of prostitution -- but at NO TIME, do I remember anyone bringing forward a Prostitute.

>> It shows a pattern of using Sex to gain control of politicians -- and WHY is the head of the CIA trying to CONTROL his own government and WHY did someone not go to a firing squad if the CIA is acting inside our borders? The LOUDNESS that can result from Clinton getting a blow job, or Anthony Wiener's wiener photo getting redirected to the wrong cell phone, seems to be drowned out by the absolute SILENCE on these issues that should be a much greater concern -- for security reasons if nothing else.

Moving on...
What I've learned in life, is that if you want to find the biggest collection of perverts; LOOK where they are the loudest about ending perversion. Whether it's in Saudi Arabia, Iran, or West Texas; the BEST place for a Pervert to get away with what they like to do, is behind the pulpit telling everyone they should die by stoning. This actually consolidates power; If SEX is dangerous or illegal - the perverts who work for you, are more loyal. They can be destroyed by you and they can ONLY practice their habit under your protection.

>> I once met someone who was actually a "Knight of Malta." No, seriously, it was on his business card. Apparently, he was one of the behind-the-scenes people who helped create deals in Washington. The KoM are highly connected with Saudis, by the way. I remember spending a bit of time with him, and him "mentioning" all the crazy sex and orgies he would partake in. I think he wanted my wife and I to join -- and he'd noticed we weren't shocked by a lot of things -- also, and in retrospect, I imagine he tried to get EVERYONE to freak out with him. He said he was "bipartisan" but the Conservatives were the biggest swingers.

I just chalked it up to; "His slice of life" and not part of the bigger picture. At least back then.

>>> I can remember the EXACT moment, when this "NeoCon Sex Trade" theory came together for me. I was watching C-SPAN or something educational, and it was revealed that the Bush administration had vetoed a "Senate Vote to Reprimand Saudi Arabia for the importation of Child Sex Workers." Seems to me, that if there is ANY less controversial legislation, it's a bunch of Senators voting to say; "Importing kids for sex is wrong -- and shame on you Saudi Arabia." It wasn't even a BINDING letter of shame... but it got Vetoed!

The Bush family has received BILLIONS in investments from Saudi. Whether it's to an Alabama educational software firm of Marvin Bush's (which also received money from mobsters in Ukraine -- probably to pay them back for that Heroine flowing out of Afghanistan or something), or to one of Bush's old failed oil companies, or a bank or two connected to BCCI and Silverado Savings and Loan. They have a LONG history together. The former deposed Shah of Iran was rumored to live down the street from Bush Jr.s ranch in Texas.

Well, not to blemish ALL Saudis, but having known my share of Arab princes at Art School -- I can tell you anecdotally at least for the numerous princelings; freaking out with boys is not an uncommon thing.


>> So here's the thing; Bush family gets funds from the Bin Ladens, other Saudis and of course Dubai. US Policy favors the Saudis and they buy Billions in Weapons -- whether countries BUY our weapons so we don't invade them (as insurance, mind you), or they Prefer them, I can't say, however, anyone NOT buying loads form the US or China is on the menu. The Saudis import "kids" and not all of them go to "racing camels" -- which only recently became a sport with robot drivers rather than 5-year-old jockeys.

Meanwhile, the CIA recruits politicos and gauges their level of Freaky. The Freakiest, end up getting promoted because THOSE are the ones that can be controlled more effectively than having a leash or a campaign donation.

The Church backs you as the most "holy" of Candidates, or at least doesn't question your direction of travel after death publicly -- and you look the other way as their active "foster care" groups.

the Catholic church recently got some heat for "having a Vatican brothel." Probably someone was offended at liking grown women -- who knows? or MAYBE our news was not full disclosure.

reply to post by something wicked


So the reason you are so up in arms at everyone with this is? I mean you seem offended even tho there were no persoal attacks on you. I could maybe understand your claims of incompetance in these replys, if the evidence against this dump truck organization weren't so obviously pertinent. The Catholic Church has done nothing but
give Christianity a bad name with those who would seek a reason to hate already anyways. Not just in recent times either, but throughout its unsavory existence. None of this means I hate catholics if thats the problem.

The Pope wasn't defending pedoplilia. The Pope shouldn't even be talking about pedophilia except to tell us how many preists he has put away for being found guilty of it.

Fat chance in hell only.

Originally posted by something wicked

Originally posted by caladonea
reply to post by something wicked

 

I was raised in the Catholic religion and sent to private Catholic schools for 12 years....I was taught mostly by nuns and priests I saw a lot of corruption, hypocrisy, and was subjected to some of it.

So....yes I am very opinionated on the topic in this thread.

Yes, but you aren't looking at the real issue. I also went to Catholic schools and was never subject or exposed to any abuse. By your own measurement does that mean the issues were localised?

>> My wife ALSO went to Catholic school and was not abused. However -- this was up North. I've heard that the Southern versions are a bit more weird.

ALSO, there is probably a HUGE incidence of molestation with UPPER Church officers -- not with the Rank-and-file. The people who attend Catholic church are by and large, hard working, decent, charitable people. The folks who THINK they are giving the moral vote when they vote Republican, are doing so with good intentions.

... there are all sorts of people who DON'T get into trouble by all sorts of corrupt organizations - and there are plenty of places in New Jersey where the Mob is welcome because they keep the streets safe and people employed.

>> YOUR experience of GOOD Catholic Church is good for you. There are probably plenty of great Wicken's as well, and atheists. Probably the pets of Devil Worshippers would get along with the pets of Catholic priests -- who knows?

I can tell you, however, if you want to find a LOT of former Catholic Priests and Jesuits who are NOT molesters, go visit a Unitarian Universalist Church sometime. You will find that the most ardent anti-smokers are former smokers, and the people with the biggest grudge against the Catholic church are not atheists, but former Clergy.

... obviously this only proves one thing; The Southern Baptists keep a better lid on things and their Deacon Hit Squad is the envy of the world.

reply to post by pthena


The same basic principles were taught by Paul and existed prior to the Babylonian Talmud. The Babylonian Talmud wasn't compiled until 400-500 years after the Council of Jerusalem.

You are right its not for everyone, but both Islam and the Christian Epistles of Paul instruct a form of the Noahide Laws that define idolatry and blasphemy.

As for interpretation, its up to the courts that are expected to be established as per the 7th law. So no, the rabbinical courts would not be the ultimate authority, but instead a Christian equivalent, an ecclesiastical court, would be. The Anglicans, Roman Catholics and Easterm Orthodox already maintain ecclesiastical courts and could easily help lay the foundation for more courts in the Protestant churches.

It is important to note, the system would exist outside the criminal or civil legal system, ensuring the division of church and state. Instead it would only matter to members of said churches as an internal system. There would be no criminal penalties, but instead the worse penalty would be expulsion from the organization.

reply to post by jmdewey60


What caused the split was not the Noahide laws, it was the idea that the Gentiles didn't have to be circumcised or follow the Torah. The ruling at the Council of Jerusalem even split the early Church into Judaizers, which Paul condemns in Galatians, and those who followed the ruling.

Also keep in mind, if one really believes in Christian teachings, they believe in the concept of the Holy Spirit which inspires and guides righteous men in their rulings, interpretations and judgement. If a man or a court is lead and inspired by the Holy Spirit is that not from the Most High?

reply to post by rebellender


Sodom and Gomorrah had no good people in it once Lot left. Would God fire blast the cave of a righteous man after just telling Abraham he would not do it to the city if he were there?

I am indeed passing judgement on your lack of scriptural knowledge. Because you don't know it. That is perfectly changeable by knowing it. Be it smugness or combativeness, Bible says right in it to be ready with fast feet in the boots of scriptural truth. Stand against sin, but indeed combative in false teachings. So yes, I am being combative for this reason.