Pope: Pedophilia Was "Fully In Conformity With Man And Even With Children"

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posted on Nov, 13 2011 @ 04:33 AM
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It would appear this story is actually from 2010, but I have a few comments to make in any case.



It’s important to remember that this is the Pope who has declared that laws which legalize same-​sex marriage “contribute to the weakening of the principles of natural law,” and to “confusion about society’s values,” and claimed that same-​sex marriage “attacks” the “endangered species” that is mankind. Even before he was elected Pope, he knew of the pedophile priest sex abuse scandal, yet did not act.
“endangered species” LOL. How can we be endangered when our population is increasing faster and faster each year? And how can same sex couples be blasphemous but abusing young children is perfectly fine? What kind of logic is that?

This is my opinion on the whole topic. Pedophilia is different from sex with a consenting young person. Teens these days start to have sex as young as 13-14. I see no difference between a 13 year old having sex with another 13 year old and a 13 year old having sex with a 30 year old. It's still sex.

If a person wants to have sex and they enjoy it, how can that possibly be a "sin"? If their body wants it and enjoys it why should we deny it? Now if a 30 year old was to force (or trick) a young person into sex it would be completely different. It's sexual abuse. It does physical harm and mental harm.

However, the pope is not talking about perfectly consensual sex with a young person, he is clearly eluding to child abuse, in a manner where children are used and sold as sexual tools/slaves for sick men. Just looking at that picture of the pope gives me a bad vibe.
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posted on Nov, 13 2011 @ 04:35 AM
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posted on Nov, 13 2011 @ 04:38 AM
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Our laws regarding sex and minors may have something to do with the reason that you can't vote until age eighteen.

Thirteen year old girls are not ready to be mothers, and boys of the same age are not ready to be fathers. Age of consent isn't about what the child thinks is ' okay' .

Adults having sex with children lets the children think it is even more acceptable. When I was thirteen, I got the strong message that sex was acceptable even between children of that age.
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posted on Nov, 13 2011 @ 04:42 AM
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Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by ChaoticOrder
 
Our laws regarding sex and minors may have something to do with the reason that you can't vote until age eighteen.

Thirteen year old girls are not ready to be mothers, and boys of the same age are not ready to be fathers. Age of consent isn't about what the child thinks is o
'okay'.



Maybe but not always. I know someone that was a parent at 14 and they are doing a fine job. Sex is legal in some countries at the age of 14.



posted on Nov, 13 2011 @ 04:45 AM
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Yes I know what you mean he gives me bad vibes too. There is something really discomforting about him...



posted on Nov, 13 2011 @ 04:50 AM
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Quotes taken completely out of context. The context of the speech was that things have improved a little because we no longer have the lax attitude as we did in the 70s.

As usual, liberals/atheists dont stop at anything...including blaming the pope of promoting child-rape...to distort their information



posted on Nov, 13 2011 @ 04:50 AM
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Originally posted by purplemer

Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by ChaoticOrder
 
Our laws regarding sex and minors may have something to do with the reason that you can't vote until age eighteen.

Thirteen year old girls are not ready to be mothers, and boys of the same age are not ready to be fathers. Age of consent isn't about what the child thinks is o
'okay'.



Maybe but not always. I know someone that was a parent at 14 and they are doing a fine job. Sex is legal in some countries at the age of 14.
True, but some countries are in sub-Saharan Africa and have high infant mortality rates.

Many would argue that a lot of our current problems in the world today are because of slowly degraded social rules, like children raising children. I understand what you are saying. I know a lot of adults that should not have their children, and young parents that do a much better job with raising children. On the whole, I think an adult is better equipped to do the job. As in having a job, knowing how to balance a checkbook and how to comparison shop. Little things we take for granted, since we haven't thought about what it was like not knowing how to do those things.



posted on Nov, 13 2011 @ 04:52 AM
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Thirteen year old girls are not ready to be mothers, and boys of the same age are not ready to be fathers. Age of consent isn't about what the child thinks is o
'okay'.
Sex doesn't necessarily have anything to do with babies. Do you think everyone should wait to have sex until they want to have kids? It's not practical. It's a natural thing that helps release endorphins and other chemicals we need. If a young person wants to have sex, they aren't going to wait until the law says they are old enough to make "grownup" decisions. All kids are different and mature at different rates. By the time I was 15 I was one of the only virgins within my group of friends. And that's not because I didn't want it, I was a typical school boy, but I was simply not good at talking to girls.
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posted on Nov, 13 2011 @ 04:54 AM
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Your thread title is missleading, you changed the wording to fit your needs!!!!!

Edit: Now I know how to handle your topics in future...
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posted on Nov, 13 2011 @ 04:59 AM
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Originally posted by verschickter
Your thread title is missleading, you changed the wording to fit your needs!!!!!


Sir it is your statement that is misleading. I have followed the terms and conditions as in ATS remit for breaking news format.. Would you care to elaborate what wording I have changed..



posted on Nov, 13 2011 @ 05:01 AM
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Yes, you changed the wording of the phrase. It doesnt mean the same thing as the original one. Your title states that he defends pedophilia, actually he just said that these were considered "normal" back then.

See, I hate the catholic church, too, but I dont make things up



posted on Nov, 13 2011 @ 05:03 AM
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Original Quote:

“In the 1970s, paedophilia was theorised as something fully in conformity with man and even with children,” the Pope said.


Your title:

Pope: Pedophilia Was "Fully In Conformity With Man And Even With Children"


So when you read the first one, what do you think?
Then read the second one, what do you think now?

TOC and BS#, you know what I mean!!

Edit: Even its not your article, you postet it here, and you knew its a misleading title. disgusting at least


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posted on Nov, 13 2011 @ 05:04 AM
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I am confused. The things that I read there are vague and ambiguous. I would really like to read what the pope said in it's entirety.

Here's a link: ADDRESS OF HIS HOLINESS BENEDICT XVI ON THE OCCASION OF CHRISTMAS GREETINGS TO THE ROMAN CURIA
The gist is: He blames the priest crimes on the general moral relativism of the 70s. His proposed solution is:


Only if there is such a consensus on the essentials can constitutions and law function. This fundamental consensus derived from the Christian heritage is at risk wherever its place, the place of moral reasoning, is taken by the purely instrumental rationality of which I spoke earlier. In reality, this makes reason blind to what is essential. To resist this eclipse of reason and to preserve its capacity for seeing the essential, for seeing God and man, for seeing what is good and what is true, is the common interest that must unite all people of good will. The very future of the world is at stake.

Sounds like imposing religious based laws upon society so that the Church(from which the standard comes) can be reformed. In other words, make the students smarter so they can straighten out the teacher



posted on Nov, 13 2011 @ 05:05 AM
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Thank you for providing the context to accurately judge this post which is, in light of the information you provide, worthless.



posted on Nov, 13 2011 @ 05:05 AM
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OMG my conscience has been correct all along .. that Christianity is being governed by powerful corrupted people now.

The truth speaks for itself. This is a revelation for Christians to fight against their corrupted leaders.



posted on Nov, 13 2011 @ 05:07 AM
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article is from 29 Dec 2010.

It isn't breaking news...it is still relevant though.

If I shared with everyone how I feel about articles such as this... I would violate the t&c so will refrain.



posted on Nov, 13 2011 @ 05:10 AM
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There is something I want to tell you all about SPIEGEL (paper and tv). They have their own propaganda, you can see the hate in the face of the women who anounces the themes in their show. They´re a biased, rightwing "news"agancy



posted on Nov, 13 2011 @ 05:12 AM
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Originally posted by verschickter
There is something I want to tell you all about SPIEGEL (paper and tv). They have their own propaganda, you can see the hate in the face of the women who anounces the themes in their show. They´re a biased, rightwing "news"agancy


Funny I thought the church was pretty right wing...)



posted on Nov, 13 2011 @ 05:14 AM
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It's not what you are capable of at a certain age... but that you know the consequences of what you are doing at a certain age.

Yes, 12 year olds are capable of sex... and they are capable of handling a shotgun and also of driving a car and a farm tractor... the question is...should they and are they ready for the consequences if they do and something happens.

The actions of a teen ager in many instances will have long term impact on their lives... and in the case of having sex and then patrenting a child... for the next 20 years... is definitely a long term responsibilty...

Does the child/teen/ tween know about diseases?...about pregnancy?... about financial responsibilty?... about proper nutrition?... are they even aware that the sometimes older partner may be using and manipulating them?... ie a 15 year old girl and the 18 year old "boy friend"... Hell, does the young person that was capable of sex and now has a child even know how to grocery shop and cook for the child.. or are they reduced to the Mickey D's dollar value menu at every meal?

Many people would never let a young teenager drive a car... or fire and hunt with a high powered rifle... or drive a tractor down a tobbacco path... but argue that sex is a natural desire and normal developement... but do we want children raising children...we have that now in society...how is that working?



posted on Nov, 13 2011 @ 05:15 AM
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I hear you. I have a contact friend who lives in Africa, he runs an orphanage for girls. He tells me that the Missionary's are the worst thing that ever came there. Every one of the girls have been molested, and most by good meaning religious people who come there. He also tells me that the money collecting for people like the girls is always taken by warlords way before it gets to him, or others like him. Sad, but true.





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