Now as to why it deserves rights, well that's very simple.

Ever heard of free will and freedom in general? What gives you or the church the right to judge people?

There's ZERO objective evidence backing up any of the Christian base beliefs for crying out loud.

You being fine with people dieing because they don't fully share your belief is Hitler'esque and pretty much the same thing Muslim extremists think.

Really quite disgusting

1) The church is actively covering up cases of child molestation (and it's not a fringe group, it's their very leadership).

2) They are actively causing people to die. The reasons don't matter, only the FACT that they are responsible for deaths.

Those are facts, and only a blind brainwashed sheep would ignore those facts

But what makes me more is the fact I let someone prove my assumptions of them wrong, and never ACT on my assumptions of a person. That, it's core, is Christian.

For free will, then why is the church responsible for their retardation?

no, there is quite some proof. There is zero objective proof God exists though. I merely accept this.

I said I don't care, not that I'm fine with their deaths.

I've not yet seen proof this is to hide it versus just take care of it their own way. Granted this is no different than Sharia law in communities in England. The law of the land stands firm. You must deal with corporations on a very simple policy: audits and raids once suspicion provides evidence of guilt.

You have not yet proven to me why. You simply blame the church for the hypocritical tendencies of a community. It's scapegoating. Plenty of placed with strict moral codes like ancient China or the lot seem to have gotten by quite fine with waiting until they can support themselves to have sex. There are always exceptions of course, bu overwhelmingly this problem seems to be a primarily western one, and these problems seem to only exist where westerners have gone. The problem seems quite evidently to be cultural. Simply put, you are raised to do what you feel like, not what makes sense. This is illogical.

Brainwashing doesn't exist and I've always doubted the "sheep" argument. Go to the real world. You will find that people are simply lazy and want to do what they want, not bound to any sense of responsibility or ethic. When you choose this life style, you get what you deserve. I live just an exciting life with happiness and joy not listining to my emotions and primitive desires, that is leading to social decay.

So not only do you believe they deserve to die, you are also calling them retarded? Great, you seem like a lovely chap

Well, subjective evidence is worthless...if it weren't, we'd still believe in unicorns

No, you said they deserve what's "coming to them". And given that death is coming to them because the church tells them not to use condoms, you are essentially fine with them dying because they don't follow YOUR moral code. Disgusting

For crying out loud, I posted links that show irrefutably that the current pope KNEW about the cases, and refused to fire those priests...essentially letting them do it over and over again. Which is exactly what happened as those links prove You are closing your eyes to FACTS!

Look, it's really simple:
1) STDs exist, and they kill people.
2) Condoms protect against those STDs and prevent people from dying.
3) It's a FACT that the church tells people NOT to use condoms because of their twisted moral codes.
4) People die because of it.

If the church told people to use condoms like any sane person would, less people would die. So no matter how you try to justify this in your mind, the church is directly responsible for people's death! That's why I believe the leadership of the Catholic church are a bunch of crooks, and I wouldn't share a tear if someone killed the whole lot.

Well, there's about 4.9b (the majority) of people who consider your opinion complete and utter nonsense. And that's assuming all Christians agree with you, which I know isn't the case

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by Maslo

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What is, is death. What ought to be is what benefits Man, and ideally world.

In order for your statement to be true, prove to me why what ought to be is not wrong, when based in what is.

Originally posted by ILikeStars
reply to post by colbe

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It wasn't intended to be mocking, or even entirely accurate. Not sarcastic, either.

That statement was only meant to be a little funny, but also a little true. I would consider the Vatican to be (at least one of) Jesus's Public Relations firms. Sort of like a company that specializes in manipulation of peoples' opinions to provide a service that makes public figures, politicians, and stars who are having image problems, a favorable publicity in the eyes of the people.