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Topic started on 13-11-2011 @ 03:58 AM by purplemer

Pope: Pedophilia Was "Fully In Conformity With Man And Even With Children"

thenewcivi lrightsmovement.com

In an end-of-year, shocking Christmas statement to Cardinals and other Vatican officials, Pope Benedict XVI said, “In the 1970s, paedophilia was theorised as something fully in conformity with man and even with children,” and added that paedophilia wasn’t even considered an “absolute evil,” according to a report in the Belfast Telegraph.
“Pope Benedict XVI also claimed that child pornography was increasingly considered “normal” by society.

(visit the link for the full news article)

reply posted on 13-11-2011 @ 03:58 AM by purplemer

I do not really understand this. If an attitude like this is true then you can see why there are so many problems with the church and children.
How can someone that is the head of the church say this. This is a perversion. Pope Benedict XVI should step down and the church should have a good long hard look at itself.
We live in some real messed up times...

thenewcivi lrightsmovement.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

reply posted on 13-11-2011 @ 04:02 AM by TheMindWar

So, are the 1 billion catholics happy to follow a leader who advocates child rape? Or is the pope trying hard to destroy catholisism to make way for a new world religion?

reply posted on 13-11-2011 @ 04:03 AM by homeslice

Well, he does look like the devil.
(if the devil was real)

reply posted on 13-11-2011 @ 04:03 AM by Expat888

Disgusting... Typical though.. With all the crimes they've commited throughout history and today.. Not surprised by the pope and his disgusting view.. Anyone who thinks that way or performs such disgusting acts is lower than a beast..

reply posted on 13-11-2011 @ 04:05 AM by purplemer

Originally posted by homeslice
Well, he does look like the devil.
(if the devil was real)

With stuff like this going down I wonder if the church is the Antichrist..

reply posted on 13-11-2011 @ 04:11 AM by icepack

maybe its the attempt to protect "his" catholic church from people saying that pedophilia is a catholic church thing. like:"hey, its not only us, that have these kind of problems."

reply posted on 13-11-2011 @ 04:11 AM by homeslice

reply to post by purplemer

Wouldn't shock me at all.

reply posted on 13-11-2011 @ 04:13 AM by butcherguy

I looked at the linked site.

I am confused. The things that I read there are vague and ambiguous. I would really like to read what the pope said in it's entirety.

reply posted on 13-11-2011 @ 04:14 AM by PutAQuarterIn

What does it say about the pope when even an atheist (who the church considers morally AWOL) can pick up on the fact it is wrong to touch a child, who is nieve of the ways of the world. If you want sexual type relationships let em marry, till then sulibit should mean sulibit.
BTW, I know a catholic church victim, it's been many years, and if you didn't know his story of how he came to be you would be quick to say he has become a waste of life (not trying to insult they guy, remember I did say if you didn't know his story) It mentally took his will to live life.
Tell em' it's right to take a persons lifelong security, sense of right and wrong (oh, I could list all day, what this could take from a child) and justify it...yeesh.

edit on 13-11-2011 by PutAQuarterIn because: add

reply posted on 13-11-2011 @ 04:16 AM by purplemer

reply to post by butcherguy

Here is the link to Belfast Telegraph if that helps..

www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk...

reply posted on 13-11-2011 @ 04:19 AM by davidgrouchy

We were all the more dismayed, then, when in this year of all years and to a degree we could not have imagined, we came to know of abuse of minors committed by priests who twist the sacrament into its antithesis, and under the mantle of the sacred profoundly wound human persons in their childhood, damaging them for a whole lifetime….

We are well aware of the particular gravity of this sin committed by priests and of our corresponding responsibility. But neither can we remain silent regarding the context of these times in which these events have come to light. There is a market in child pornography that seems in some way to be considered more and more normal by society. The psychological destruction of children, in which human persons are reduced to articles of merchandise, is a terrifying sign of the times….

In order to resist these forces, we must turn our attention to their ideological foundations. In the 1970s, paedophilia was theorized as something fully in conformity with man and even with children. This, however, was part of a fundamental perversion of the concept of ethos. It was maintained – even within the realm of Catholic theology – that there is no such thing as evil in itself or good in itself. There is only a “better than” and a “worse than”. Nothing is good or bad in itself. Everything depends on the circumstances and on the end in view. Anything can be good or also bad, depending upon purposes and circumstances. Morality is replaced by a calculus of consequences, and in the process it ceases to exist. The effects of such theories are evident today. Against them, Pope John Paul II, in his 1993 Encyclical Letter Veritatis Splendor, indicated with prophetic force in the great rational tradition of Christian ethos the essential and permanent foundations of moral action. Today, attention must be focused anew on this text as a path in the formation of conscience. It is our responsibility to make these criteria audible and intelligible once more for people today as paths of true humanity, in the context of our paramount concern for mankind.

address of his holiness Benedict XVI

He's actually arguing _against_ everything quoted in the opening post and source article.
But don't let me stand in the way of traditional Catholic Bashing,
the only remaining predjudice that is encouraged.

David Grouchy

reply posted on 13-11-2011 @ 04:20 AM by AlreadyGone

I'm no fan of the Pope, BUT... he is not stating a position...He is stating a mere interpretation of history.

If I say...in the 1850's, slavery was almost seen as normal in the American South... that is a fact, not a personal stance. So..if pedophilia in the 1970's was almost seen as normal...he seems to be stating an interpretation of history... not condoning this deplorable act.

It appears to be an article that has taken a few inflammatory statrments out of context.... or edited down to try to mean more than is really there. The whole text of the Pope's speech seems to oppose pedophilia rather than support it.

The really disturbing thing to me is his words are not strong enough...kinda weak. I am a person of black and white...absolutes...not shades of gray. Pedophilia deserves strong and unquestionable oppositional verbage.

reply posted on 13-11-2011 @ 04:21 AM by jcord

This has been accelerating a lot lately. Lots of murder and violence too that used to be rare but now it is every day you hear about well know/well liked people abusing kids and people cutting heads off.

Originally posted by purplemer

I do not really understand this. If an attitude like this is true then you can see why there are so many problems with the church and children.
How can someone that is the head of the church say this. This is a perversion. Pope Benedict XVI should step down and the church should have a good long hard look at itself.
We live in some real messed up times...

thenewcivi lrightsmovement.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

reply posted on 13-11-2011 @ 04:25 AM by MESSAGEFROMTHESTARS

That link was terrible, I can't find any stories about the pope defending pedophilia, but I can find many that do quote him as slamming pedophilia.. hmm..

I'm not sure... but it seems to me, he doesn't support it?

Either way, I still don't care much for the man, but i've never meet him.

reply posted on 13-11-2011 @ 04:25 AM by AlreadyGone

Oh...and the last statement about child pornography and pedohilia becoming more normalized in society...that is true. Look at the styles, fashions, and advertisements of children. Even Halloween costumes seem to be more sexual and suggestive....

This disturbing realization is even addressed in other ATS threads and posts. Again, I am no fan of the Pope, but he hasn't said anything here that is inflammatory.

reply posted on 13-11-2011 @ 04:26 AM by jcord

Originally posted by TheMindWar
So, are the 1 billion catholics happy to follow a leader who advocates child rape?

Strong delusion is why.

Or is the pope trying hard to destroy catholisism to make way for a new world religion?

yes

reply posted on 13-11-2011 @ 04:30 AM by purplemer

reply to post by davidgrouchy

It sounds more like a confession to me regarding the institutionalized problems of the church. Its not how thing were it is how they still are..

The latest controversy comes as the German magazine Der Spiegel continues to investigate the Pope's role in allowing a known paedophile priest to work with children in the early 1980s.

reply posted on 13-11-2011 @ 04:31 AM by butcherguy

The reason for my confusion appears to have something to do with the way that the 'quotes' of the pope's speech were posted.

The story is eleven months old. The only references that I have found so far by googling are on two gay/lesbian right blogs, including the one linked in the OP. The other one includes a bit more info. The pope's speech was to address the pedophilia problems in the church that were revealed in 2010.

Please don't flame me for these observations, I just think that the way these blurbs were posted on the blogs were slightly misleading. Look for yourselves and make your own decision.

reply posted on 13-11-2011 @ 04:31 AM by Chad_Thomas89

Sounds like the pope needs to be hung and the vatican burnt down. What a completely disgusting thing to say. These are definitely not men of god.

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