Here at ATS there has been significant discussion of the practice of vaccination, and debate over the benefits or detriments involved. Many people
have brought up serious problems with this type of medical treatment, and if you are interested in that I suggest doing a simple ATS search and
reading up on it.
This thread will focus on the HIV-AIDS vaccine predominantly, and I want to pose a serious question through it. Will you take the HIV-AIDS vaccine?
Yes or no, and please explain why as best you can.
Now I will post a few facts about HIV-AIDS and why creating a working vaccine for it is so difficult.
Source - Wiki HIV
A HIV vaccine that protects vaccinated individuals from HIV infection is the goal of many HIV research programmes. Currently, there is no
effective vaccine against HIV, the virus that causes AIDS. Vaccine development is one of several strategies to reduce the worldwide harm from
AIDS, with other approaches based upon antiviral treatments such as highly active antiretroviral therapy (HAART) and social approaches such as safe
sex prevention and awareness campaigns.
There are 5 bullet points explaining why we are having so much trouble developing a working vaccine:
Classic vaccines mimic natural immunity against reinfection generally seen in individuals recovered from infection; there are almost no recovered
This means that vaccines typically work by giving you the virus and then allowing your body to develop natural immunity from it. However with
HIV-AIDS, the statistics reveal that once infected, almost all subjects fail to recover.
Most vaccines protect against disease, not against infection; HIV infection may remain latent for long periods before causing AIDS.
Most effective vaccines are whole-killed or live-attenuated organisms; killed HIV-1 does not retain antigenicity and the use of a live retrovirus
vaccine raises safety issues.
This one describes how when killed, the HIV-AIDS virus does not react with antibodies or cause antibody reactions (antigenicity), and so it forces the
use of 'live-virus' vaccines. But who the hell is going to put a live HIV virus in their body when bullet point #1 reveals that people infected
tend to stay infected?
Most vaccines protect against infections that are infrequently encountered; HIV may be encountered daily by individuals at high risk.
This point reveals that those at high risk for HIV infections are actually exposed to it quite often, which makes it even more difficult to develop a
Most vaccines protect against infections through mucosal surfaces of the respiratory or gastrointestinal tract; the great majority of HIV
infection is through the genital tract.
And yet another difficulty, the mode of infection versus the mode of combating infection. Of course this and other problems will have to be dealt with
before any 'safe' working vaccine can be developed.
Now if you will read down the wiki page a bit further, there are examples of various clinical trials and experiments that have been conducted and the
various problems encountered in those studies. Most trials are conducted in monkeys and then if they pass that phase, can move on to humans (already
infected with HIV).
What we should be worried about imho, is when these tests move on to experimenting on non-infected humans, potentially giving them a deadly HIV
Please read the information about the various trials conducted and other related material.
Here is an interesting article posted 2 years ago about human trials seeking approval to test the HIV/AIDS vaccine in Canada and the USA.
An HIV/AIDS vaccine developed at The University of Western Ontario is set for the first phase of human trials.
Sumagen Canada today announced it has submitted an Investigational New Drug application to the United States Food and Drug Administration to begin
Phase 1 human trials for its SAV001 AIDS vaccine.
Through Western, Sumagen Canada has secured patents for the vaccine in over 70 countries in the world, including the United States, the European
Union and Korea. According to the firm, animal testing has resulted in good antibody reactions in immunology tests, with no adverse effects or
Please read that carefully, it's a bold faced lie. No adverse effects or safety risk? It's unheard of! There is no medication in existence which has
no adverse side effects or risks involved. Everyone is different and reacts differently. Even plain water has an adverse side effect or risk -
drowning. So to say this HIV-AIDS vaccine is safe is well, illogical and irrational. (And immoral!)
It says they have secured patents in over 70 countries for this specific vaccine, including most westernized nations. So it will be in the headlines
in a few years, that much is becoming obvious.
Who is funding all of this anyways?
London and Western are also on a short list of Canadian cities being considered by the federal government for the building of an $88-million HIV
vaccine manufacturing facility. Part of the funding for the facility will come from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
Mark my words folks, the vaccine debate will go into entirely new territory with the advent of the HIV-AIDS vaccines and the human trials to test
With many vaccines, the practice is to infect those who are not infected so they can fight the weakened disease and grow immunity. However with HIV,
almost all infected cases never recover from the infection and have to fight it for the rest of their lives.
So ask yourselves, do you really trust the Pharmaceutical Corporations? Do you really trust that taking a HIV-AIDS vaccine will be safe and will not
cause you to contract it yourselves?
This may not be the headlines today, but soon it will be. Soon it will become the focal point of vaccine debates, maybe not this year or next year,
but within 5 years it will. Once these vaccines start getting pushed around enough, and enough cases of adverse reactions or infections pop up, there
will be a hailstorm of controversy.
Would you give your kid a HIV vaccine?
This is the question I really want to know.
Anyone with further information or links is welcome to present their findings here. I am looking forward to seeing what kind of discussion this
subject can create.
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