Is there a religon that accepts homosexuality?

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posted on Nov, 12 2011 @ 10:54 AM
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Did you watch the video that I posted here? (is homosexuality a choice)

You would see there, that in this cartoon made for KIDS, that homosexuality, according to science IS NOT A CHOICE.

Yes, I choose to walk down the street and have some guy call me a fag.
Yes, I choose to be in a group that is always being talked about in jokes.
Yes, I choose to be hated by most religons.

Do I think your less human than me? No, I just think that you are a bigot.

Also, when you tried to discredit the polls, you basicly said "LALALA I CANT HEAR YOU!"
And than compairing homosexuality to satanism? that makes no sense.
I said that the IDEA was never there, there was no MENTION of it in the bible, unless you look at how judas and jesus where pretty much boyfriends in the nostic gospels.

And oh yeah, I forgot:



I'm beautiful in my way,
'Cause God makes no mistakes
I'm on the right track, baby
I was born this way




posted on Nov, 12 2011 @ 10:55 AM
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I believe the Wiccans acknowledge homosexuality. Honestly my belief is that you tell all those people that if they are watching judging and crap, they shouldn't be in church and they are breakign the commandments. Tell them how they are sinners and going to suffer in purgatory for their judging, or tell them to show you where in the bible it says anything about not allowing homosexuals to exist in church.

That's what i do at least



posted on Nov, 12 2011 @ 10:56 AM
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There is 7 billion people on the planet and we are running out of room.

Also, I find straights disgusting, I dont complain?
I was born this way and god made me this way, so why would he hate me? I thought he loved all of his creations?



posted on Nov, 12 2011 @ 10:59 AM
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Maybe it sounds like S & M, but I like my church, just im sort of an outcast there...

Maybe I am a turkey xD



posted on Nov, 12 2011 @ 11:01 AM
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I'm impressed that you keep going to church; you must be a very devoted Catholic. I'm not gay, but I can imagine how that would make me feel. Society is to blame because it only begrudgingly tolerates homosexuality; it's not the Catholic canons that say "frown at the gay couple so they feel unwelcome".

Here is a wikipedia article about homosexuality in Christianity:
en.wikipedia.org...

It's funny that nobody cares if women are silent and cover their heads in church but they do care about homosexuality.
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posted on Nov, 12 2011 @ 11:05 AM
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Originally posted by darkredfish


Yet again, I must post this video.

8th time you know that?


I don't buy the I was born to be gay idea. Maybe there is genes and hormones that get involved but mostly it is enviroment. I belive a gay man can choose to be straigh but that is going against his preferance (if he is not bisexual).

Example I love oriental women but I could be with an very darkskinned woman. But I don't find darkskinned woman as attractive as orientals. I can make a choice to be with darkskinned woman but why would I do that if I liked orientals. Are we gonna play a race card here and say that I can't be with another race. That is the same intolerance that you are giving off when you are telling homosexuals that it is unatural.

Let a person be what he/she want's to be as long as it doesn't hurt anyone. Symbiotic love is always right. For me the only fear from gays is that im gonna automaticly react badly without thinking if they try to pick me up and I disslike to watch gay porn so I avoid it. The dislike of gay porn is probably underlaying fear that I will be raped by a gay man. Have never happened and will probably never happen but it's one of those things that unfortunatly is in the back of my head. Probably a bad influence from tv.

The thing im saying is that you don't need to justify your choice by, genetic, born this way or anything else because there is nothing wrong with your choice. Trust me god do not care if you are homosexual. You don't listen to unenlightened priest when you can ask the source yourself.

Namaste
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posted on Nov, 12 2011 @ 11:07 AM
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Churches should be boycotting and protesting the KILLING of others in the form of war and military. But, as you know, they're not. Instead, they seek to control who and how you LOVE. Killing is wrong in any religion. Why doesn't the Church address this moral issue?



posted on Nov, 12 2011 @ 11:24 AM
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Originally posted by theRhenn
It happens in nature??? So does volcanic eruptions, rain, snow, plague, virus, and the like... Doesnt mean it's "natural".


Then, what is your definition of "natural"?



We constantly tell each other how to live and what we think is right and wrong.


Speak for yourself. I don't do that.

I am interested in your definition of natural in the sentence: Being gay is not natural.



posted on Nov, 12 2011 @ 11:25 AM
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running out of room on this planet dont talk rubbish

everywhere u go is vast un populated land there you could fit everyone on this planet with room to farm in australia alone

running out of space
yeah ok course we are



posted on Nov, 12 2011 @ 11:45 AM
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Do I think your less human than me? No, I just think that you are a bigot.

Also, when you tried to discredit the polls, you basicly said "LALALA I CANT HEAR YOU!"
And than compairing homosexuality to satanism? that makes no sense.
I said that the IDEA was never there, there was no MENTION of it in the bible, unless you look at how judas and jesus where pretty much boyfriends in the nostic gospels.




Why am I a bigot? Because I dont agree with you? Priceless.

Definition: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices

Hmmm That pretty much means everyone, right?

Look chum... I'm all about changing my opinions so long as you offer something of worth that can change my mind. If you cant, oh well. Doesnt mean that you're any more correct.

I dont need to watch your video. Just like any other youtube vid, it's open to debate as anything else.

So you see, I cannot be a bigot, because I am not DEVOTED to any belief. If something more believable comes along, I'll consider it and determin wether or not it makes sense to me. If it doesnt... so be it.

Gays certainly love throwing that word around alot. I would say, you sir/maam, are the bigot. You would fit the "devoted" part more than I.

As for your polls... Who would believe them? They are biased. Prove to me the are not. They're on the same level as the videos... Made up by someone with a nifty lil way to try to change your outlook or opinion... how is that any diffrent than a "bigot"?


If I walk upon a hole in the ground with mouse tracks around the opening... I can gleen possibly a few things from it:

- It's the mouse's home
- It came across the hole and found nothing of interest and moved on
- it was taken into the hole by a predator
- it found food, ate and moved on or made the hole it's dwelling.

Chances are, the first thing that comes to mind... Mouse... Hole... It's the mouse's home.

I wont go into the details of why this is the first thought, but I'm sure you can imagine.

Now, what you wont find me doing is going home and pulling up a youtube video about it. Probably because I've seen 1000 nature shows as a child. The same can be said with assumptions. Yet, for me, it's not just an assumption. It was something I was very curious about, so I looked into it, I read article after article and how I feel right now is from all the time I spent my own time and resources searching for an answer I was curious to. I found what I feel is correct. This, STILL, does not make me a bigot anymore than it makes you not one. So..

As you were....



btw, almost forgot...

I mentioned the satan thing because .... you're following something that tells you that you're wrong. It's like worshipping the devil to get to heaven. It makes all the sense in the world when you read and apply it.

If you would open your eyes, you can find exactly what it says about a man lieing with a man as he would with a woman. Thats pretty much cut and dry for me.

I'm not going into detail here, as you can find many many MANY threads here about this very subject. Of course, people will yell and bicker on both sides. It's there. It's written. If you dont want to believe it... and as you mentioned on the first page, that "IF the bible is correct"... wow... You believe in something that tells you that you're wrong for your practice, and yet you wont believe it... Then say that the bible may not be correct.

Why read the bible at all? Just make up your own religion. You're pretty much doing that this very moment and doing what so many people who claim to be christian are doing.... taking out the parts of their faith that does not belong in their lives... Changing the word to meet their own ends.

Damn.. Guess many of us are no better than Politicians when you look at it. I for one, will refrain and do my best to stick with the whole of the law... not just the parts that appeal to me to make me feel better about myself.
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posted on Nov, 12 2011 @ 11:59 AM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by theRhenn
It happens in nature??? So does volcanic eruptions, rain, snow, plague, virus, and the like... Doesnt mean it's "natural".


Then, what is your definition of "natural"?



We constantly tell each other how to live and what we think is right and wrong.


Speak for yourself. I don't do that.

I am interested in your definition of natural in the sentence: Being gay is not natural.


Yes you did.. You called me a bigot. Isnt that the same? I could take this apart and pull up example after example. Wether you feel you are or not.. It doesnt matter. What you do, and what I do and the world over does... we hold every single person around us to a standard. Dont try and tell me you dont. Not one person alive today can say that they truely do not expect something from anyone around them....

Natural: Websters -
1.existing in or formed by nature (opposed to artificial): a natural bridge. 2.based on the state of things in nature; constituted by nature: Growth is a natural process. 3.of or pertaining to nature or the universe: natural beauty. 4.of, pertaining to, or occupied with the study of natural science: conducting natural experiments. 5.in a state of nature; uncultivated, as land.


Hmmm.. nothing I see here seems to apply to being gay. You were born naturaly. The argument is, wether or not you were born with gay tendancies... man love... If it were natural, you would be a species propegated by others of your kind. It wouldnt skip generations unless it were a disease. Would it be so? As other malformities? That's the same as comparing gays to gay animals right?



posted on Nov, 12 2011 @ 12:16 PM
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Another rant from me. We left natural as humans long ago. The people that is so concerned about natural go back to being natural by giving up all our technology and being hunter gatherers again or even evolving back to the monkies and live in the trees. That is natural. Back to basics. Namaste



posted on Nov, 12 2011 @ 12:28 PM
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tell them to get lsot then. I was throwing ideas, but at my church, which is also catholic, so i sorta know your point of view, i ignore people and focus on one thing. i figure if people looking at you, they not doing what they are suppsoed to.

btw, how long you been with your bf?



posted on Nov, 12 2011 @ 01:22 PM
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why do you need a religion?

The best "religion" is the one you practice by yourself... and it accepts who ever you might be.

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posted on Nov, 12 2011 @ 01:41 PM
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Originally posted by Akragon
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why do you need a religion?

The best "religion" is the one you practice by yourself... and it accepts who ever you might be.

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Even by scripture, you are somewhat correct. I can agree with this, for it is written that those people who made those around them aware that they were doing for the poor, sick and what not, kept their vanity as their reward. They had nothing waiting for them in the end because the good deeds they done, they did in the light of those around them, and even went as far as purposely making people aware of their deeds to show themselves as caring and good. They were given no heavenly reward, for their reward was their own vanity.



posted on Nov, 12 2011 @ 01:48 PM
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Any form of Paganism will accept you, Druidism especially. (Do I get a star?
)

For that matter, Paganism is any religion outside of the Abrahamic Traditions. Toss in Agnostics and Atheists.

Your own sexual preference is up to you. It's a personal thing, private time with your significant other, and no business of mine whatsoever.

I judge people by their character, not by their sexual inclinations. I have friends who are gay, and they are some of the best people on the planet, helpful, kind, and considerate. That said.....

.....I am curious why you'd want to attend Mass. People attend church to socialize and fill some empty void within their heart. You will always get "dirty" looks in a church, unless it's the priest scoping out his newest altar boy. There are many other social events you could attend, without being judged on an outdated moral regime.

The ban on homosexuality was instituted in the old testament to ensure that people did procreate, there being only a few million people in the world at the time. However, it didn't make it into the Top Ten list. I won't even attempt to describe the twisted logic behind God abhorring homosexuality but also loving the world so much that he sent his only son. God's way too bi-polar for me to be comfortable. Then add the ban on eating pork for the Jewish Chosen. I'm sure that one was because there was no adequate refrigeration back then, and trichinosis could easily wipe out a whole village. That's logical, but twisted nowadays to prevent people from doing certain things. I have a co-worker that won't eat pork, he's a Christian bible thumper, because it's unclean, cloven hoofed. Why? Brainwashing. He used to eat bacon, and ham on easter, then joined a church that told him it was a no-no. Bacon bad? Ham bad? Following perfectly sound cooking techniques to destroy the harmful organisms and bacteria, it's perfectly safe to eat.

I suppose it all boils down to what you believe. To each their own.

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posted on Nov, 12 2011 @ 02:26 PM
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Shamanism and tantra both accept you as you are: a human being. No special BS rules apply.



posted on Nov, 12 2011 @ 02:31 PM
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Originally posted by darkredfish
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The universal law of duality states that there is no right or wrong, so the first one is pretty much BS.
And its not unnatural...
Here are just a few animals that do it:



Animals also eat their own feces. That doesn't mean it's not unnatural.

Disclaimer: Despite believing that homosexuality is indeed unnatural, I don't really have anything against it.
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posted on Nov, 12 2011 @ 03:41 PM
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Originally posted by darkredfish
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Only problem with that is that although I know that it is a good religon and a lot of it is true, a lot of it seems to be a bunch of crock, and there is so much BS you have to sort through to get to the good stuff.
Stupid media...


that my friend...is the definition of religion: very profound truths wrapped in all kinds of BS and lies. now...i know little of wicca but myself, in general, i NEVER follow any one form/school of anything. there's a little truth in every religion. there's a lot of BS in every religion. i feel that it's up to you to make your own religion. i also feel this is what Jesus taught. He wanted people to find a way to God through themselves. after all...you are divine! you don't need anyone, anything or any group to find God...you are a part of Him.

and if you find a religion that accepts gays...they'll probably denounce some other pillar of your character. that seems to be the underlying theme with most religions: division upon some deep, personal platform. i mean if the true "destination" or "goal" of all religions were to find God...they wouldn't care about what the other religions are doing. the religions are just a manifestation of the division in the human psyche, played upon by those who understand the true power of God to control the masses.

you are divine. whether you kiss boys or girls

you don't need any religion brother. all you need is love...



posted on Nov, 12 2011 @ 04:24 PM
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stick with catholic... sauce for the goose...! God DOES mind though, you know? Catholic church is full of it from the inside out, so any person that judges you in a catholic church should be condemned, 1stly for judging ANYBODY, & 2ndly, for going to a church that openly commits acts against God. There is such a thing as guilt by association, so if they don't object to their priests disobeying Gods laws, then they don't really care what God thinks anyway, so should shut up...





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