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Interesting Q&A about the nuclear bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki

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posted on Nov, 11 2011 @ 08:06 PM
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I stumbled upon this website that seems to say that the nuclear bombs we used to end ww2 are ether a partial or complete hoax. the page hosts no sources and no proof so take it with a grain of salt unless evidence is brought to light.

stuff.mit.edu...

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1. Is there any evidence that a thermonuclear device exploded over Hiroshima in 1945?
No, absolutely none. According to leading historians and physicists, the thermonuclear bomb was not invented until years after the supposed detonation over Japanese territory.

2. Is there any evidence that a uranium-based "atom bomb" was ever dropped onto Nagasaki, Japan?
Absolutely not. While many historians and journalists made this claim in the late 40's and early 50's, everyone now agrees that no such bomb ever exploded over Nagasaki. Yet there are some who still stubbornly cling to this supposed "fact."

3. What are the materials needed to make an "atom bomb?"
Uranium-238 and plutonium-239.

4. Aren't these materials radioactive?
Highly so. Anybody who attempts to use these materials is endangering his/her life.

5. Is it likely that nuclear scientists in the 40's would be handling uranium and plutonium?
This would be highly unlikely. Very few people felt so threatened by the Japanese to be willing to risk their lives on a theoretical chance of a superbomb that could end a far-away war a little sooner.

6. Aren't there witnesses to the atomic bomb in Hiroshima?
The only "witnesses" that could possibly survived this supposed explosion would have been blinded by the intense flash of light, so their testimony is quite unreliable and contradictory.


The points brought up are strange and against a lot of whats accepted with that said go at it with an open mind and you're in for an interesting read and remember don't shoot the messenger.




posted on Nov, 11 2011 @ 08:18 PM
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Who is asking the questions? Was it this Alan Lustiger person, who is he?

Who is answering them is even a more important question?

ETA: Ahh now I see the point of the Q&A, after reading all of the questions and answers.
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posted on Nov, 11 2011 @ 08:19 PM
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Sounds rubbish to me, people are still being affected today because of the radiation i think and the many picture taken, worst thing America ever did.



posted on Nov, 11 2011 @ 08:19 PM
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Could you please link any information concerning the man who wrote this Alan Lustiger? I cant seem to find anything.

Thanks, NRE.



posted on Nov, 11 2011 @ 08:21 PM
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Originally posted by NoRegretsEver
Could you please link any information concerning the man who wrote this Alan Lustiger? I cant seem to find anything.

Thanks, NRE.


thats part of my reason for posting, so that maybe ats'ers could shed some light on this i know nothing of its origin but it is strange so it belongs on ats



posted on Nov, 11 2011 @ 08:23 PM
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It is Very Important to read all the way to the end, then you will understand.



I don't think the OP even understands the true purpose of the Q&A he posted...LOL
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This just goes to show how many conspiracy theorist will jump on the first wagon and start singign away before they understand truly what they are even looking at.



22. Boy, I'm mad. What should I do about this? Glad you asked. First, send me lots of money so we can spread this message far and wide. Maybe we'll take out ads in college newspapers or something. Second, direct your anger at the Japanese. We are the victims, and they are the aggressors. Make yourself feel important again by bashing Japan at every opportunity. Japanese people are inherently evil, and basically subhuman. They were never bombed, and if they would have been they would have deserved it. Who do they think they are, anyway? Yes, we Revisionists have all the answers. Life is a lot simpler than you thought it was. Join us, and you won't have to be bothered anymore by any feelings of guilt for your inherent hatred. We can justify it! Oh, it's not the Japanese you hate, but the crippled? Hey - so do we! It's easy: we don't like feeling uncomfortable around people in wheelchairs, either! Who do they think they are, taking all the good parking spaces when they were stupid enough to slip on a banana peel? IT'S A CONSPIRACY! --See how easy it is to start? Now, just mix in a few real facts, and start converting all of the otherwise messed-up people to OUR CAUSE!



23. Wow! You mean that I could write stuff like this, too? Sure! It's embarrasingly easy to write what we wrote above. In fact, it's even superior to the usual anti-Semitic revisionist garbage, because it has a higher percentage of REAL FACTS! Most of the apparent "contradictions" above come from the facts that Nagasaki was bombed by a plutonium bomb, not uranium; and that hydrogen bombs are thermonuclear, not atomic bombs. Just juggle information about the different types of bombs and mix them up so they seem to be contradicting each other. It doesn't take ANY INTELLIGENCE WHATSOEVER, and you can get lots of free air time on "48 Hours"! Oh, I forgot to mention: I have a Japanese girlfriend who agrees with EVERY WORD I've written above. Here she is: "Yes, I am his Japanese girlfriend. I love him very much, and I've always been troubled by my Japanese friends claiming to know people who died in Hiroshima." There you have it! Just throw some unverifiable opinions on top of ridiculous proofs to STRENGTHEN YOUR CASE!



24. Couldn't I be arrested for this? No! This country is founded on FREE SPEECH! But, just make sure that you mention how much you are being persecuted for saying your version of history. (More than three email messages a day qualify for being called harrassment. Five may merit a lawsuit.)




25. Where can I get more information? Go to a library. Take a book at random. Skim it. Then, decide how that book is either for you or against you. If it is for you, quote liberally and out of context. If against you, do the same. DON'T LET YOURSELF GET CONFUSED BY THE FACTS! We certainly don't!
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posted on Nov, 11 2011 @ 08:26 PM
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there is enough evidence recorded of the aftermath of hiroshima and nagasaki. from radiation burns to defects and stretch of destruction in both cities. eitherwise why else would japan surrender?



posted on Nov, 11 2011 @ 08:26 PM
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Originally posted by mileysubet
It is Very Important to read all the way to the end, then you will understand.



I don't think the OP even understands the true purpose of the Q&A he posted...LOL
edit on 11-11-2011 by mileysubet because: (no reason given)


maybe not i'm by far not the smartest person on ats but hey theres always a top and bottom but refer to my post and flag count to get an idea



posted on Nov, 11 2011 @ 08:27 PM
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First let me point out that I'm NOT shooting the messenger!
Thanks OP for posting this. My beef is with the article itself.

My first point would be, who is this person answering the questions? How does he/she know anything about this subject? I mean, to basically sit there and say "hey America lied and it didn't have nuclear weapons for years after the fact". Seriously? So, the Manhattan project never occurred? The Trinity test never took place? I mean, I can't think of any weapons in that time that would cause explosions such as Fat Man and Little Boy. Can you?

I'm still trying to wrap my mind around why this person would even say these things without the slightest ounce of proof. And believe me, as I type this I'm back and fourth on Bing and Google looking for ANY mention of this. So far I can't find anything to back this persons claims up. I mean, at the time I'm sure we were concerned that someone else would get the bomb first.. sure... but I highly doubt it was "faked" or that is to say, not a real nuclear weapon that was used.


EDIT

Aaaand... I slap my self in the face for falling for it
I thought it was a little too off base to be a legit Q&A



edit on 11-11-2011 by DerekJR321 because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 11 2011 @ 08:28 PM
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AAflac would dissagree. Thats where the insurance giant got its start is selling cancer insurance in japan I believe?



posted on Nov, 11 2011 @ 08:29 PM
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Originally posted by DerekJR321
First let me point out that I'm NOT shooting the messenger!
Thanks OP for posting this. My beef is with the article itself.

My first point would be, who is this person answering the questions? How does he/she know anything about this subject? I mean, to basically sit there and say "hey America lied and it didn't have nuclear weapons for years after the fact". Seriously? So, the Manhattan project never occurred? The Trinity test never took place? I mean, I can't think of any weapons in that time that would cause explosions such as Fat Man and Little Boy. Can you?

I'm still trying to wrap my mind around why this person would even say these things without the slightest ounce of proof. And believe me, as I type this I'm back and fourth on Bing and Google looking for ANY mention of this. So far I can't find anything to back this persons claims up. I mean, at the time I'm sure we were concerned that someone else would get the bomb first.. sure... but I highly doubt it was "faked" or that is to say, not a real nuclear weapon that was used.


EDIT

Aaaand... I slap my self in the face for falling for it
I thought it was a little too off base to be a legit Q&A



edit on 11-11-2011 by DerekJR321 because: (no reason given)


The whole thing is a joke...read number 22,23,24 and 25.



posted on Nov, 11 2011 @ 08:29 PM
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6. Aren't there witnesses to the atomic bomb in Hiroshima?
The only "witnesses" that could possibly survived this supposed explosion would have been blinded by the intense flash of light, so their testimony is quite unreliable and contradictory.


haha very funny.



posted on Nov, 11 2011 @ 08:33 PM
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Alan Lustiger is the one who sent this joke to the rec.humor.funny newsgroup back in 1993:

25 Questions and Answers About the "Atomic Bomb"

It's not even all that amusing....
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posted on Nov, 11 2011 @ 08:34 PM
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reply to post by mileysubet
 


I know.. I caught it after the fact. That's why I added my edit at the bottom. Thanks tho



posted on Nov, 11 2011 @ 08:36 PM
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Originally posted by CLPrime
Alan Lustiger is the one who sent this joke to the rec.humor.funny newsgroup back in 1993:

25 Questions and Answers About the "Atomic Bomb"

It's not even all that amusing....
edit on 11-11-2011 by CLPrime because: (no reason given)



Άρνηση άγνοια

Indeed.



posted on Nov, 11 2011 @ 08:36 PM
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T7. According to conventional historians, was the uranium bomb tested before supposedly being dropped over Hiroshima?
No. There was no testing whatsoever of a uranium bomb in Alamogordo or anywhere else before Hiroshima.

8. Isn't that strange?
Yes. Typical weapons are tested for months and years before deployment; there is no other weapon that according to the accepted "facts" deployed before any testing whatsoever.

9. How many witnesses are there for all of the atomic tests allegedly occuring during the fifties and sixties?
Very few, perhaps a few hundred, who claimed to have seen them.

10. What did the General Advisory Committee of the Atomic Energy Commission say in their report of October 30, 1949?
They recommended strongly against the development of what they called the "Super Bomb," which is simply a thermonuclear bomb. They said that "A super bomb might become a weapon of genocide."

11. Isn't this four years after Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
Yes. Obviously development of nuclear weapons occurred well after their supposed implementation in 1945.

12. Is radioactivity dangerous?
Everything is radioactive to some extent.

13. What was the triggering method of the bomb that supposedly was dropped on Hiroshima?
According to the standard historical accounts, it used a gun-assembly trigger.

14. Wasn't the gun-assembly method of triggering abandoned in the design stage?
Yes; according to these same sources the gun method would not work with uranium-derived plutonium-239 because some of the plutonium-239 absorbs a neutron to become plutonium-240, which undergoes spontaneous fission, all before supercriticality, causing a premature and very small explosion that is unusable for the very purpose that it was supposedly designed for!

15. How do conventional historians rectify these two "facts?"
They don't even attempt to.

16. How many books have been written about the atomic bomb?
Many hundreds, as well as thousands of articles in magazines and newspapers.

17. Why was Hiroshima "targeted," and not Tokyo?
Perhaps because no one had heard of Hiroshima, and no one knew anyone from there. It would be far more difficult to claim that Tokyo was bombed than Hiroshima and Nagasaki. In fact, most world maps from before "World War Two" do not even mention these cities at all.

18. How does Japan benefit from the "atom bomb" story?
As a direct result of the "war," Japan has received billions of dollars worth of US aid for its defense. Japan has essentially no defense budget, so it can pour resources through MITI into defeating the US economically, all while playing on the emotions of anti-"nuke" activists about the "horrors" of nuclear weapons.

19. Wow, I never thought of that. How else do the Japanese benefit from this story?
The Japanese now own major Hollywood studios, from which many war movies are produced. Also, they play upon our sympathy for the supposed "atom bomb" to blind us to the fact that this foreign nation has taken over our semiconductor industry, many California banks and practically the entire state of Hawaii.
This is all a part of the Japanese plot to take over the world. According to the "Protocols of the Elders of the Orient," this is a Japanese conspiracy all foretold by their ancient texts that very few Anglo-Saxons have the ability to read.

19. How many people are supposed to have died in the explosions?
It is hard to say. Some sources say 60,000 in Hiroshima, others say 140,000. No attempt has been made to rectify the various numbers.

20. How many people die annually from car accidents in the US?
Over 50,000.

21. So, what makes Hiroshima so special?
Nothing, especially given the contradictory evidence about it.

22. Boy, I'm mad. What should I do about this?
Glad you asked. First, send me lots of money so we can spread this message far and wide. Maybe we'll take out ads in college newspapers or something.
Second, direct your anger at the Japanese. We are the victims, and they are the aggressors. Make yourself feel important again by bashing Japan at every opportunity. Japanese people are inherently evil, and basically subhuman. They were never bombed, and if they would have been they would have deserved it. Who do they think they are, anyway?
Yes, we Revisionists have all the answers. Life is a lot simpler than you thought it was. Join us, and you won't have to be bothered anymore by any feelings of guilt for your inherent hatred. We can justify it! Oh, it's not the Japanese you hate, but the crippled? Hey - so do we! It's easy: we don't like feeling uncomfortable around people in wheelchairs, either! Who do they think they are, taking all the good parking spaces when they were stupid enough to slip on a banana peel? IT'S A CONSPIRACY! --See how easy it is to start? Now, just mix in a few real facts, and start converting all of the otherwise messed-up people to OUR CAUSE!

and that is the rest of the story...well there are a 23. 24. and 25. too stuff.mit.edu...
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posted on Nov, 11 2011 @ 09:03 PM
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Tell that to my grandparents and all the others who were killed there when the americans dropped the damn bomb.

It was very much real and did happen..

Trying to erase history wont wash the blood from the u.s hands..



posted on Nov, 11 2011 @ 09:11 PM
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καί ὄντως Ἰησοῦς χριστός τώ θεός της ανανέωσης είναι

But, of course, that's for another discussion.



posted on Nov, 11 2011 @ 09:21 PM
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Oh, I forgot to mention: I have a Japanese girlfriend who agrees with EVERY WORD I've written above. Here she is: "Yes, I am his Japanese girlfriend. I love him very much, and I've always been troubled by my Japanese friends claiming to know people who died in Hiroshima."


priceless
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posted on Nov, 11 2011 @ 10:48 PM
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My grandfather was in WW2 and actually landed in either Hiroshima or Nagasaki right after Japan surrendered. He got to help pick up body parts and put them in a pile.

I always thought it was weird he hasn't had any ill effects from any radiation exposure but the fact is that, atomic or not, very big bombs were dropped on Japan.





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