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Originally posted by anywho
reply to post by projectvxn
How is that any different from conventional media? Just sayin...
Originally posted by Alchemicflames
Thats not even the basis of all the messed up things. Did you know, that the apple juices, motts, juicy juice, etc. contain a slight variation of Arsenic, and by studies shown, have been dumbing the minds of the children that are to be? Oh, don't worry, they will be able to sit in a classroom for 12 years of their life learning nothing because all of the supposed money going to school systems, is going nowhere. Whatever happened to the science funds? oh, its going into the pockets of greedy politicians and business men. yeah. We don't care about our future, we just want to stuff our pockets and die, not caring that the world is burning to pieces.
Originally posted by thebtheb
reply to post by steveknows
The idea that vaccines are the savior that have gotten rid of many diseases has been challenged by many doctors who claim these diseases were already on their way out. Forcing immunization I think is a stupid and dangerous thing. With the H1N1 thing, it was noticed that younger people 25 and below, had a predeliction to this flu, while people over the age of 50 seemed not to be getting it - why? Because the people over 50 had HAD the flu and had lifetime protection against it. The younger people have been getting vaccinated since birth and their immune systems had no idea how to fight off something it had never seen before because the protection from vaccines is TEMPORARY. So, it was just a matter of time before something came that no one had seen before, and to an system living on vaccines, this can be dangerous.
I hate when people say "it's irresponsible not to get vaccinated." Do these same people know that with many vaccines, the vaccinated person SHEDS the virus for 72 hours after they get the needle? THEY can stay away from ME!
And the idea that there is no correlation to autism is HILARIOUS! The correlation is so obvious, it literally frightens me that doctors and the FDA and the gov't issue statements like "no connection has been established..." when a simple graph will show one. The fact that Thimerisol goes directly to the brain and settles there should alert people to at least think about it.
Originally posted by Amanda5
reply to post by steveknows
Again you are assuming - I don't have Children.
Much Peace...
Originally posted by thebtheb
Originally posted by blackrain17
I know this thread isn't about vaccines but it seems as though everyone is mostly interested in this topic so let me chime in...
There are three types of anti-vaccine advocates:
1. There are people that do not understand the concept of vaccines and think that injecting diluted amounts of the actual virus is evil.
2. There are people that do not understand what causes autism and blames vaccines.
3. There are people that understand the concept of vaccines but they do not know what's actually being injected and do not like Thimerosal (preservative containing mercury) used in some of vaccines.
Please don't be that guy or that girl that chooses 1 or 2. Thank you
1. People don't necessarily think that injecting diluted amounts of a virus is EVIL, but a lot of them DO think it's pretty stupid. This "technology" has been around for barely 100 years. It has become the accepted, mainstream way of dealing with the flu. Do you know what gives you lifetime protection from the flu? GETTING it! Do you know what barely gives you one year, if that? The vaccine. Mother nature can deal with it much better than scientists and doctors. I do NOT trust vaccines because no one has proven that there aren't side effects. Any side effects that do occur are written off.
Every vaccine causes a few deaths - this is a fact. So tell me why people shouldn't be concerned? Just because a vaccine didn't kill you doesn't mean there aren't other things it may do to you in the long or short term.
Peanut allergy explosion in North America: Why not in South America too? What was different about North America? Firstly, North America pushed vaccines harder, but most importantly, in the early 90's, PEANUT OIL was in many of the childhood vaccines. D'uuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is all there in public knowledge, but people just don't want to believe it, or want to make the correlation.
So forgive me for questioning and not fully trusting vaccines. I mean, hey, if airborne Ebola was ravaging North America, and there was a vaccine - understandable. EVERY year for the flu? Stupid...
Originally posted by blackrain17
reply to post by steveknows
Let's not get crazy and tell people we need to get vaccinated for everything. Vaccine isn't a cure but a prevention. Even if you get vaccinated, you can still catch diseases you are trying to prevent. Like I said previously, vaccines should never be mandatory. You can't actually tell me what exactly is in every vaccines. This gives too much power to the government.
Originally posted by thebtheb
reply to post by steveknows
"Everyone knows immunization saves lives." Sure, maybe it does. As I said earlier, if some horrible deadly disease were rampant and there was a vaccine for it, that's fine. The flu is hardly a deadly disease, so to be cajoled every single year to get the vaccine for it, and in some cases it's mandatory, is going too far. I personally believe that the risks of getting a flu shot every year pitted against the risks of actually getting the flu should be considered. As much as governments, FDA and doctors insist that "there is no danger to the vaccine", there just has not been enough time or research to prove this true.
Take Gardasil, the HPV vaccine for women. Nearly 3500 young women have died from that vaccine. The makers issued a statement to the effect of (paraphrasing) "a certain amount of deaths are expected with any treatment or protocol and this falls into the acceptable minority.:" For a vaccine that DOESN'T EVEN FULLY PROTECT WOMEN FROM HPV! It protects them from literally a handful of strains that MAY lead to cervical cancer, but in most cases, clear up on their own. Then, there are STILL strains that can lead to cervical cancer that the vaccine does not protect against. And having regular pap smears should prevent women from dying from cervical cancer since if caught early, it's treatable. So WHAT is the point of this vaccine?
As I said, sure, vaccines can save lives, but my main point is that we've gone "vaccine crazy", trying to use them at all times for everything, when often, there is no need, and clear risks are minimized in the literature and outright denial of any risks is regularly practiced. I just read this article in the newspaper called "10 falacies about vaccines" One of the "fallacies" was that you can't get the flu from the shot. This is NOT true! Thousands of people have gotten the flu from the shot. Sure, it doesn't happen to THAT many people, but it happens! And to pretend it doesn't is irresponsible to the max. It's also a HUGE red flag that hey - maybe they don't have this whole technology working exactly perfectly yet.
The only way to figure out if you believe me or not is not for me to show you links or proof, but to seek it out yourself, research it, check it against other research, check the sources, etc., etc. Otherwise, no link I post is going to really sway anyone. For myself, I've seen enough.
Originally posted by steveknows
Originally posted by thebtheb
reply to post by steveknows
"Everyone knows immunization saves lives." Sure, maybe it does. As I said earlier, if some horrible deadly disease were rampant and there was a vaccine for it, that's fine. The flu is hardly a deadly disease, so to be cajoled every single year to get the vaccine for it, and in some cases it's mandatory, is going too far. I personally believe that the risks of getting a flu shot every year pitted against the risks of actually getting the flu should be considered. As much as governments, FDA and doctors insist that "there is no danger to the vaccine", there just has not been enough time or research to prove this true.
Take Gardasil, the HPV vaccine for women. Nearly 3500 young women have died from that vaccine. The makers issued a statement to the effect of (paraphrasing) "a certain amount of deaths are expected with any treatment or protocol and this falls into the acceptable minority.:" For a vaccine that DOESN'T EVEN FULLY PROTECT WOMEN FROM HPV! It protects them from literally a handful of strains that MAY lead to cervical cancer, but in most cases, clear up on their own. Then, there are STILL strains that can lead to cervical cancer that the vaccine does not protect against. And having regular pap smears should prevent women from dying from cervical cancer since if caught early, it's treatable. So WHAT is the point of this vaccine?
As I said, sure, vaccines can save lives, but my main point is that we've gone "vaccine crazy", trying to use them at all times for everything, when often, there is no need, and clear risks are minimized in the literature and outright denial of any risks is regularly practiced. I just read this article in the newspaper called "10 falacies about vaccines" One of the "fallacies" was that you can't get the flu from the shot. This is NOT true! Thousands of people have gotten the flu from the shot. Sure, it doesn't happen to THAT many people, but it happens! And to pretend it doesn't is irresponsible to the max. It's also a HUGE red flag that hey - maybe they don't have this whole technology working exactly perfectly yet.
The only way to figure out if you believe me or not is not for me to show you links or proof, but to seek it out yourself, research it, check it against other research, check the sources, etc., etc. Otherwise, no link I post is going to really sway anyone. For myself, I've seen enough.
Influenza, like all virus, mutates and populations are growing. What's your answer to the situation?
Also with the HPV vaccine perhaps it's the type they're using because I don't believe there's been any deaths in Australia linked to the vaccine. How many women die from cervical cancer world wide though?
edit on 13-11-2011 by steveknows because: Add
Originally posted by steveknows
Originally posted by thebtheb
Originally posted by blackrain17
So forgive me for questioning and not fully trusting vaccines. I mean, hey, if airborne Ebola was ravaging North America, and there was a vaccine - understandable. EVERY year for the flu? Stupid...
Do you know that a virus can mutate? Do you know that how well you fight any virus is up to your immune system? Do you know that flu shots are generally aimed at an age group? Do you know that because you can fight it off a 20 it doesn't mean you can do it at 50?edit on 13-11-2011 by steveknows because: Typo
Originally posted by steveknows
Also with the HPV vaccine perhaps it's the type they're using because I don't believe there's been any deaths in Australia linked to the vaccine. How many women die from cervical cancer world wide though?
The majority of cervical cancer cases and deaths can be prevented through detection of pre-cancerous changes in the cervix using the Pap test. Because cervical cancer is so rare and since current vaccines do not protect against all HPV types that are associated with cervical cancer, monitoring for pre-cancerous changes with the Pap test can provide protection against cervical cancer.
Originally posted by Flyer
I stopped reading after the vaccine, dont they know what a vaccine is, they give you a weakened version of the virus in order to build up a resistance to it so when the full blown version comes along, your body can defend it.
It doesnt means its true just because someone posts it on a website.
Originally posted by projectvxn
Originally posted by anywho
reply to post by projectvxn
How is that any different from conventional media? Just sayin...
Just because it isn't CNN doesn't mean it's telling the truth.
Originally posted by jameshawkings
Originally posted by steveknows
Also with the HPV vaccine perhaps it's the type they're using because I don't believe there's been any deaths in Australia linked to the vaccine. How many women die from cervical cancer world wide though?
If they really were interested in preventing Cervical Cancer, they're targeting the wrong age group. It is women over 40 who are most at risk of Cervical Cancer, but it is the teens who are being jabbed. Cervical cancer is commonest among the over 50s yet the jab only protects for up to 5 years Some studies showed protection for up to five years
Also, it turns out that vaccination isn't the best method of protection and that it doesn't protect against all types of HPV that are associated with Cervical Cancer
www.womenshealthspecialists.org...
The majority of cervical cancer cases and deaths can be prevented through detection of pre-cancerous changes in the cervix using the Pap test. Because cervical cancer is so rare and since current vaccines do not protect against all HPV types that are associated with cervical cancer, monitoring for pre-cancerous changes with the Pap test can provide protection against cervical cancer.
So, not only are they going for the wrong age group, but also the vaccine is not the best method of protection as it doesn't always work. What are they up to in reality? Why would they be interested in going for teen girls, but not the over 50's, what is the key difference? Fertility! This is it, we all know that the Elite/Bankers have regularly been quoted and filmed admitting that they want the population dramatically cut down. The easiest why to do this is to target the fertile women, as UNICEF have done in various third world countries under the guise of 'vaccination'
UNICEF Nigerian Polio Vaccine Contaminated with Sterilizing Agents Scientist Finds
Former population control official affirms Philippine vaccine scandal
Massive Brazilian Vaccination Raises Suspicions of Covert Sterilization Program
That is the reality of the worldwide HPV vaccination program, it's a large-scale fertility reduction program. The HPV vaccine makes it incredibly difficult for women to go full-term with a pregnancy. I know doctors who are already confused about what's going on, I've heard a number say "Why are there so many women having miscarriages and multiple miscarriages?" The doctor's know something is not right, but most aren't yet aware of the culprit.
There is another vaccine that's also being used to reduce our future numbers, the Swine Flu vaccine, it contains Polysorbate 80 which damages developing ovaries. This is why they target young children (under 5's) and pregnant women (they are actually targeting the developing ovaries of the unborn females). This is a different tactic to what is being used on the teens with HPV. Polysorbate 80 In Swine Flu Vaccines = Infertility In Humans They make more money by giving it to boys and girls, the scam is also less obvious than if they were just going for the girls.
Also please note, orally consuming Polysorbate 80 will not damage developing ovaries, it is only when it bypasses out protective mechanisms that it can damage ovaries that are not yet fully developed. Injecting us with it does just that, and the Polysorbate 80 slowly makes it's way into the blood. The companies protect themselves by writing the following on the insert (check it out for yourself) "has not been evaluated for carcinogenic or mutagenic potential, or for impairment of fertility."
edit on 13-11-2011 by jameshawkings because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by thebtheb
Originally posted by steveknows
Originally posted by thebtheb
reply to post by steveknows
"Everyone knows immunization saves lives." Sure, maybe it does. As I said earlier, if some horrible deadly disease were rampant and there was a vaccine for it, that's fine. The flu is hardly a deadly disease, so to be cajoled every single year to get the vaccine for it, and in some cases it's mandatory, is going too far. I personally believe that the risks of getting a flu shot every year pitted against the risks of actually getting the flu should be considered. As much as governments, FDA and doctors insist that "there is no danger to the vaccine", there just has not been enough time or research to prove this true.
Take Gardasil, the HPV vaccine for women. Nearly 3500 young women have died from that vaccine. The makers issued a statement to the effect of (paraphrasing) "a certain amount of deaths are expected with any treatment or protocol and this falls into the acceptable minority.:" For a vaccine that DOESN'T EVEN FULLY PROTECT WOMEN FROM HPV! It protects them from literally a handful of strains that MAY lead to cervical cancer, but in most cases, clear up on their own. Then, there are STILL strains that can lead to cervical cancer that the vaccine does not protect against. And having regular pap smears should prevent women from dying from cervical cancer since if caught early, it's treatable. So WHAT is the point of this vaccine?
As I said, sure, vaccines can save lives, but my main point is that we've gone "vaccine crazy", trying to use them at all times for everything, when often, there is no need, and clear risks are minimized in the literature and outright denial of any risks is regularly practiced. I just read this article in the newspaper called "10 falacies about vaccines" One of the "fallacies" was that you can't get the flu from the shot. This is NOT true! Thousands of people have gotten the flu from the shot. Sure, it doesn't happen to THAT many people, but it happens! And to pretend it doesn't is irresponsible to the max. It's also a HUGE red flag that hey - maybe they don't have this whole technology working exactly perfectly yet.
The only way to figure out if you believe me or not is not for me to show you links or proof, but to seek it out yourself, research it, check it against other research, check the sources, etc., etc. Otherwise, no link I post is going to really sway anyone. For myself, I've seen enough.
Influenza, like all virus, mutates and populations are growing. What's your answer to the situation?
Also with the HPV vaccine perhaps it's the type they're using because I don't believe there's been any deaths in Australia linked to the vaccine. How many women die from cervical cancer world wide though?
edit on 13-11-2011 by steveknows because: Add
What's my answer to the mutation of the flu virus? My answer is that using previous viruses to counteract a new one is essentially useless!
And again, just because there are tons of people who don't have a bad reaction does not mean they are not being affected in some way now, or later in their lives. For us "anti-vaccine" people, that is the major concern. Neurological reactions are the MOST common reactions to any vaccine, all the way back to when they were first being used in the early 1900's. The fact that no one bothers to check to see if the plethora of neurological diseases that have appeared since the late 40's just may be because of vaccines is ridiculous.
The first ever reported case of Autism was in Japan in 1948, shortly after they started putting aluminum in the vaccines. Decades later, aluminum poisoning has been linked to Alzheimer's, another neurological disease. In the 20's, 30's and 40's, people did notice some vaccine reactions in children to be restlessness and screaming. Decades later, the explosion of ADD is not questioned - it's just treated with drugs. Where did it come from? The Swine Flu vaccine in the late 70's paralyzed 500 people with yet another neurological disorder. That flu killed ONE person.
I personally believe that if you honestly research the entire timeline of vaccines, you'd be simply illogical not to conclude that the neurological implications alone of vaccines need to be questioned and researched. Especially when people are being vaccinated against diseases that will simply run their course and not kill them.edit on 13-11-2011 by thebtheb because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by thebtheb
reply to post by steveknows
The death rate is high for third world countries not necessarily because they have no vaccines, but because they have no treatment or sanitation. The reverse is true here. We have food, medical care, sanitation. There is that to consider before assuming the entire problem in the third world is absence of vaccination.