Occupy Portland Prepares For War

Originally posted by robomont
hang together or hang separately.
in for penny,in for a pound.
finish it now or finish later.no mercy.show no mercy.stack the cops bodies like cord wood.then torch them.remember somalia.scare the hell out of every oppressor in the world.
freedom and liberty for all.
show no mercy.the next sucking chest wound could be yours.plan ahead.a fast death is better than a slow death.freedom and liberty will win.

stack the cops bodies? I'm pretty sure you're a loser douchebag who couldn't face a cop 1 on 1 in an alleyway. Just another dirtbag gimme gimme gimme OWS loser.

www.livestream.com...

I had to think about that for just a split second. He may be on to something there. If the sliver of the population in OWS has the right to go armed and employ those arms against other citizens, then by logical extension, so do the rest of the citizens. Perhaps when this starts getting out of hand, the police should go on an extended coffee break, and let the armed citizens on both sides of this divide settle it.

I think that might be the best solution, and it's certainly some Change I Can Believe In!

In the state/county I live in, the sheriff (who's actually a really good guy) and his deputies (many of which I'm friends with) would absolutely welcome my rifle alongside theirs should it come to shootin'

See? Hippies don't understand that part.

You're not just fighting the police, you're fighting America. And we can bring the hate.

All enemies, foreign and domestic.

Originally posted by Rockpuck

I'm fairly conservative (ok ok .. pretty damn conservative) And I'd gladly fight side by side a "Socialist" just to tear down these institutions that have raped the public of their dignity.

You should do as your conscience dictates, but I would caution you to first explore the history of what happens in the aftermath of revolution to those who ally themselves with collectivists.

Sure, do what you have to do, but make sure you are aware of the potential consequences to yourself and your own "cause" or the people you love before entering the enterprise.

Originally posted by pteridine
reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

 

Cuba did move to communism.
"In July 1961, the Integrated Revolutionary Organizations (IRO) was formed by the merger of Fidel Castro’s 26th of July Movement, the People's Socialist Party led by Blas Roca, and the Revolutionary Directorate of 13 March led by Faure Chomón.[28] On 26 March 1962, the IRO became the United Party of the Cuban Socialist Revolution (PURSC) which, in turn, became the Communist Party of Cuba on 3 October 1965, with Castro as First Secretary."

en.wikipedia.org...

Wikipedia, eh?

Personally I get my facts on Cuba from Cubans and people who have been to Cuba. Cuban government is nationalist, always has been. Communist was just their political theory that they abscribed too. Quite honestly I don't feel like sitting here and typing up an essay on what communist revolutionary tactics are (specifically vanguard parties like the PURSC). If you do want to learn, then I suggest reading up on your Lenin. He's got lots of good books that properly describe social conditions and working revolutionary strategy, and the importance of maintaining an ideology that coincides with your national needs (as opposed to one single ideology that would only dictate the actions of peripheral countries from the core centre of an empire).

Of what I've seen, most of em are tax evaders and the unemployed and the college-age "give me your money!" types. One side wants to destroy the government and the other wants socialism.

It's a mess. The problem is they all too quickly turn to violence instead of constructive process.

If you think it's bad now, wait until we got robots in every restaurant and factory and in the hospitals and retirement communities and elsewhere. Be far more protesting on the streets.

Look at this:
The #1 problem is we need to put everybody back to work and not overtax in a recession. The government should never have been allowed to force these loans on the institutions. People who cannot afford loans SHOULD NOT be given them. We need to prevent bubbles.

We prevent bubbles by not allowing fake services or products to exist. That means oversight. We need a strong market system that's self-policing. We also need those who actively hunt for it.

And the government deals out too many subsidies and hands-me-downs. It's stoopid. The free market is a far better mechanism for innovation. Government is good for protecting the commons from crime and pollution, but it's being used in cases where the free market would be a better alternative. Additionally, often companies share the burden of failure on the US tax payer. They never feel the pain fully because of grants and government help.

If we start seriously looking at what our economic habits are doing to the world and its people... We shouldn't live as though what happens in another country is on another planet.

Originally posted by tangonine

Originally posted by Paschar0
Don't worry if the people bashing the protesters and others who respond to things by posting videos get their way, we'll live in a 1984 world on steroids. They're either useful idiots or unworthy of the freedom given to them, in either case I have no use for you and thankfully there is a growing number that agree.

Freedom of expression, and freedom of speech carry with them responsibility for what is expressed and spoken. The first amendment doesn't give you the right to be vile and commit crimes.

Actually it does give the right to be "vile" as that's merely an opinion.

More to the point, when a tyrannical corrupt government violates the rights of the people in such an overt way, they not only lose the respect of the people, but also the protections of any laws that prevent the people from removing or at least fight that corruption.

In other words, since the government doesn't want to play by the rules, then don't expect the people to either. You don't get to be a jackboot coward indefinitely with no consequences.

I swear, the bankers and power brokers of this world must be laughing their asses off at all the knuckleheads that defend their agenda. Pathetic.

I posted up the live feed and a discussion thread for the eviction tonight in THIS THREAD.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


The feed is getting really choppy right now. I am so wondering how this is going to turn out. I am going to hope someone will put it up on youtube or something, I wont make it to midnight as I think there is like 3 hours difference or so from where i am.

Originally posted by tangonine

In the state/county I live in, the sheriff (who's actually a really good guy) and his deputies (many of which I'm friends with) would absolutely welcome my rifle alongside theirs should it come to shootin'

I love wannabe's.
Unless you're a cop no, they wouldn't. That would make you guilty of murder if not deputized.

See? Hippies don't understand that part.

Are you saying you would shoot unarmed civilians exercising their Constitutional rights? Or are you meaning if the "hippies" as you like to call them start shooting?

And we can bring the hate.

Yes, you've already shown us your hate.

Originally posted by tangonine

Originally posted by Thutmoseii

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by MegasAlexandros
I will lead the way.

No, you won't. Rangers lead the way, and you are not Ranger caliber material from what I've seen so far. Maybe in a few years, when you've had a chance to get your young idealist ass calmed down, and have put away the false pride and hubris, but not right now. You'll not be leading the way in the foreseeable future.

The police are actually not intelligent, at least most of them aren't. They haven't had the chance to study with a Military Sciences professor.

See, this is the sort of thing I'm talking about - labeling others as "unintelligent" because they've not studied under a professor? Really? Do you even know the difference between "intelligence" and "education"? They are NOT the same thing, nor even syonymous, and very frequently one will get in the way of the other.

So you've studied? Cool. How many times have you, with shaking hands, tried to get the cellophane off of a cigarette pack to cover a sucking chest wound so your buddy's lungs don't collapse before a competent medic can get there to replace you?

Ever heard a grown man crying like a baby for his momma as he died trying to hold his own innards inside where they are supposed to be?

I understand you saw a bus blow up one time or something. I feel for you, I really do, but DO NOT mistake one explosion that you saw from a distance with a war you are IN. Wars involve ongoing explosions, not a singular one. Seeing one doesn't make you a warrior, it makes you a spectator, or possibly a victim.

Honestly, professor, there is a reason that the say "those that can, DO. Those that can't, TEACH".

They don't have the drive I have. They aren't as physically conditioned as I. And you can be damned sure that they are not as creative as I. So do not ask if I could, ask when I will.

Good luck with that. I used to help train cops, and I would pay perfectly good money to watch that match-up, if you are really ALL THAT!

If that seems boastful it's because it's true.

Many of the people on here can have good poker faces, but when it comes time to show their hands, they fold.

OK. I'll platy that hand with you if you'd like.

Thanks for your service mate. I just ETS myself. #ing hated it. Worst decision of my life and had I known at the time I was signing my life away to line rich mens pockets and kill innocents I never would have done it.

I've been in the same situation you were in brother only I was the medic. A young poor inexperienced medic who went from AIT to the front line with just a few months in between and nothing but a few weeks practice on dummies and readying books.

I would not wish that upon anyone. The first time I had to treat a casualty he died. Incompetent? Nah. Just a young frightened kid who had no idea what things would be like.

Same situation too, sucking chest wound. I did the best I could but it just wasnt enough. This kid has no idea and hopefully he wont ever but alas, he just might very very soon if things go the way they look like they are, a la WW3.

Thanks again my friend. HOOAH? Nah. But thanks anyway. 68w 887ESC.

Good. Glad to hear an NCO doesn't have to put up with your arse anymore. The fewer of you we have to deal with, the better.

Do what now? Put up with me? Sorry, I need to be brainwashed, I forgot.

USA USA USA America! # YEA!!! WHOOOOO BOMB THOSE BROWN PEOPLE!! # YEA BUSH MAKE YO MONEY!!!!

Does that make you feel better? Oh, # ALLAH JESUS IS GREAT WOOOOOOO GO BUSH!!!!

Sorry, I gotta go throw up now.

I agree though, the last thing an NCO wants it a soldier with a head on his shoulders that asks why and questions the motives for war.

Just kill right? Do not question it. Do as your told and be a good little pawn b/c after all, that Oath, its just for show.

Originally posted by Paschar0

Originally posted by tangonine

Originally posted by Paschar0
Don't worry if the people bashing the protesters and others who respond to things by posting videos get their way, we'll live in a 1984 world on steroids. They're either useful idiots or unworthy of the freedom given to them, in either case I have no use for you and thankfully there is a growing number that agree.

Freedom of expression, and freedom of speech carry with them responsibility for what is expressed and spoken. The first amendment doesn't give you the right to be vile and commit crimes.

Actually it does give the right to be "vile" as that's merely an opinion.

More to the point, when a tyrannical corrupt government violates the rights of the people in such an overt way, they not only lose the respect of the people, but also the protections of any laws that prevent the people from removing or at least fight that corruption.

In other words, since the government doesn't want to play by the rules, then don't expect the people to either. You don't get to be a jackboot coward indefinitely with no consequences.

I swear, the bankers and power brokers of this world must be laughing their asses off at all the knuckleheads that defend their agenda. Pathetic.

correct, you can say and do as you feel as long as you dont infringe on the rights of others. God bless the USA.

You can be as bigoted and racist as you want. Enjoy it while it lasts.

The police should be clearing house there just based on HYGIENE.

I can almost smell it from the ustream stream I am watching.

KK, gotta go, gotta make poppycorn 12am is fast approaching.

Phase one was education....sigh....EDUCATE!!! I feel this is going to be bad...

reply to post by supine
it is a debate, just like if your for Rush L or Glean B Left vs Right or Den vs Rep, now we have the Stalin vs Hitler that is Communism vs Socialist www.fff.org... yes I said it Nazi party is alive and well in the 21 century the next step will be to turn it from socialist to fascist, and then the Question will be who will be the Hitler? bush is gone so no more ZIG BUSH, ZIG OWS ? no does not have the zing any thoughts?

Another update:

Had to come home and warm up, so dropped in to provide another update. For those who want another live feed (besides the occupy feed) note that KATU news will be broadcasting live, starting at 11pm and here is the link: KATU.

Moving on, managed to stand around in the freezing rain and listen to the speeches in the park (that you all are watching via the livefeed) as well as moved with the group to the adjoining park (the occupied encampment) which is mostly empty btw, for the general assembly. That was mainly an info. meet on how to stay safe and what to do if you plan to stay after the eviction time, as well as how to handle being arrested (peacefully) should you choose.

Spoke to various people, quite the assortment on site. Yes, there are those who appear to want to cause trouble, but there are also teachers, lawyers, former military (hung out with a couple vets. from the Vietnam Era) all in all, it seemed like a gathering of people from all walks, many with concerns that I personally could relate to.

Now, will that group stay for the night? Not likely. Most were leaving about the time I did (right about now) and those who plan to stay the night are a different group, core OWS members, but also many who appear homeless/street patrons, etc.

Overheard someone ask a group of cops what they plan to do at 12:01am and the answer was: "we don't know, they tell us as we go along" so take that as you will.

P.s. forgot to add that I also had a good chat with an older guy that had been living in the camp for the month, he did say that he personally had to disarm some of the occupiers who were creating homemade weapons to use, as well as continuously monitor certain groups within the camp. I was also warned, by a guy in a Guy Fawkes mask that people are using old beer bottles to make molotov cocktails and suggested that I shouldn't stick around too late. So again, take that as you will.

reply to post by Resinveins

The government mandate is to protect and the general welfare of the public. That is part of what the government is there for. While I do care for myself, I however, do not wish to pay for stupidity on the part of the protestors, for deciding to either tangle violently with the police or stay in an area, where the potential for them to be harmed by the weather is going to be very apparent.
And who would want to? Is that fair and equal for all of us, to have to pay cause a few agitators in the OWS groups decides to move and take violence against the police? What exactly do you think will happen the first time they start to get violent? There will be blood shed, and it will not be the police that ends up with the problem but the OWS, cause the first time they use a weapon, the police will respond with deadly force.

This is starting to spiral out of control as no one wants to take responsibility for the group or movement, or think before acting. It is not a matter of control, but rather, that of common sense. Think about it, they are going to start a riot, and who is going to end up having to pay for it, but the very people that the OWS needs for support.

TAZE ONE!!

Originally posted by Thutmoseii
TAZE ONE!!

Woah!!!

If you did that, the crown would disperse so fast they'd break one another s necks trying to slink away.


edit:

ustream just now has a dude on stage (wont post his name here, he did say it though) that says he is a former 75th Ranger.

Gullible sheep there for sure. I just passed his name to my US MIL fact checker. FAIL. There was someone with his name, KIA south of Da Nang 196th Light Infantry Brigade.

FAIL

False alarm on TAZE ONE! the protestors were fibbing.