Occupy Portland Prepares For War

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
socialism is a scary concept to the corporate elite sitting at the top.

No, they'd love it.

All the good little sheeple relying on Big Brother to provide everything. Health care, Jobs, Education ad infinitum. All being corralled towards what they produce and market.

A real captuive audience.

Um, that's communism Slayer69.

Socialism = We live in a housing community where we bought our houses and each year we contribute funds to lower the prices on our landscaper, snow plow guy, and to keep the community pool clean.

Communism = We live in a housing community owned by the state, we cannot negotiate pricing, and are stuck with what the state provides for landscaping, snow plowing and pool maintenance.

Communism doesn't work. Ask the USSR. Or better yet, ask China what exactly they're practicing these days. Because it ain't straight up communism.

Socialism allows for class movement and upward mobility. Communism tells us we are all equal and will be treated as such.

reply to post by hawaii50th
Like to respond to this, from your post

Now if martial law is enacted, you must realize what that will mean for peoples rights, it all goes down the toilet.

No It means we the people must band together once more, rewrite the Declaration of Independence, and write the Articles of Treason Act.

reply to post by Rockpuck


I feel the concern, The West Coast is much more on edge and revolution minded then the rest of the country and there is potential to spark new issues of vandalism and violence which I dont condone. The government must serve the people, and yes the cops in this tension are necessary to protect private property. Now it is time that the government begin doing the right thing before they lose control. Doing the right thing isn't giving into demands but addressing the real issue which is allowing the economy to grow.

Originally posted by MegasAlexandros
reply to post by Rockpuck

 

Finally took to my advice on shields. What they need to do is make a wall with shields and to have staffs/ unsharpened spears. This will make a nearly impenetrable defense, and won't seriously injure police officers. Also, mobile protesters armed with NON spiked clubs on motorcycles, scooters, and bikes would allow for flanking.

If only I were in command. We would be sitting on the White House lawn.

I like your resolve kid, you can be on my team any day............
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Originally posted by The Sword
reply to post by sonnny1

 

The fact that people take the time to star this comment shows that this site is slowly swirling down a goddamn toilet drain.

Thanks for contributing to it, goofball.

P.S- That's still a hell of a cool avatar. The Pope creeps me out.

Well thanks for the slight insult and compliment!!


I was hoping for a response on why you would do it,or not......actually.



Personally,I believe if you have a home,and are willing to go out to OWS in Solidarity,then by all means open your doors to the less fortunate at OWS. Why not,or are you afraid that you might have the same type of "problems" that have plague OWS ? Its a valid point.

Originally posted by Jason88
Um, that's communism Slayer69.

Socialism....

reply to post by Jason88


Didn't work out too well for Wikileaks and Assange, did it!

A leader or leadership in an organisation such as OWS, would become target number one, and they know it.

Plus, it gives TPTB the opportunity to take the head off to try and kill the body, as per usual tactics (again, like they tried/trying with Assange)

Smears and slander work wonders against the individual too, a few false charges of either fraud, sexual misconduct or deviancy and the support from 'ordinary people' withers away, follow that with an army (virtual, software driven) of paid bloggers, and the organisation is shafted.

I say carry on as they are. But have as their central message 'Peaceful non compliance'.

Do not go to work, do not pay taxes, do not participate, drop out, chill out and make hay...the elites will be crapping themselves within a week, probably less.

The PTB love only one thing, money and the power it gives them over us. They won't lose any sleep over a few police getting battered, nor will they if more than a few police or protesters die.

They'll care a LOT more about losing what they love the most - money.

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
socialism is a scary concept to the corporate elite sitting at the top.

No, they'd love it.

All the good little sheeple relying on Big Brother to provide everything. Health care, Jobs, Education ad infinitum. All being corralled towards what they produce and market.

A real captuive audience.

Perhaps in your country that is what socialism will come out as. But it still seems to me that you can't make out the difference between socialism and fascism. Here's an example of fascism in America that fits your description: charter schools. Government gives up providing schools to save money, and they hand over the responsibility to educate children to corporations. When corporations own schools, they hire cheap, low quality faculty (like ex-military personnel), fill the school with corporate propaganda and advertisements (like coca cola ads)... take a guess where these schools tend to pop up: in areas filled with poverty, like post-Katrina New Orleans. And what do these schools indoctrinate their students to choose as a career path? Military service. And who oversees all of this to make sure that the schools are keeping up to national education standards? ding-ding-ding Corporate regulators and investigators.

Let me ask you, have you ever seen socialism right in front of you before? I'm not talking about stories or pictures either. I went through grade school in some small rural school, and I was always at ends with the staff, but at least the public education there put me at a standard above virtually your whole public school sector.

The truth is that your country wants disparity beyond just income. They want ignorant and stupid masses educated in a pathetic farce of a basic educational system. We can't choose, as children, where we go to school, and all those who are forced to attend public education in the US have to live with the fact that they graduate at the lowest ends of education standards. They don't get to go to ivy-league schools; they get to go to technical college or the military. The US system is designed so that the majority of its population are raised to be working class without choice, while elite families perpetuate their own generations as the beneficiaries of the higher echelons of society. Your system does not care about the specific attributes or potential of the individual, because their role is already determined at birth.

Of course there are exceptions, but these exceptions are earned, not found. And I hope you didn't take this post the wrong way: I don't really have anything against the common American, but I am certainly disgusted by its social system and those who blindly support it (who WOULD support this if they were not at the top of the pack?).

The biggest bunch of hypocrisy that i have found from OWS and their supporters is:

"We tired of illegal wars blah blah blah" and will throw everything including the kitchen sink to justify their precious little cause saying they need to use VIOLENCE!

Remember that one?

Originally posted by SLAYER69


OWS and it's supporters love to spout off that there is no leadership. Which basically means ANYTHING goes. Now if a small vocal minority within the group deems it necessary to become violent who's to stop them from within?

Will OWS be held accountable?

After all, it would be carried out in their name.

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That is the Genius of it Slayer. If violence breaks out,they will blame agent provocateurs,or anarchists. OWS might be peaceful for the most,but the radical element,like that of the 60's,is there also. I actually give them too much credit,because the 60's involved the whole country,and protests involving many different agendas,that had MILLIONS out in the streets..........

reply to post by SLAYER69


A cheap shot and you know it, Marine. We can cherry pick our OWS photos all day, but there is defining difference between the two parties, socialism and communism, and you are willingly ignoring it. I've read your posts, I've appreciated the threads you've authored, I know you're a smart guy... I don't understand why you're picking this apart under the guise of communism, unless you are masking a political belief set that doesn't jive with OWS and its somewhat left-leaning messages (which is fine, but just say it).

I'm calling shenanigans on you. I think you know the difference and are ignoring it. Semper Fi.

Originally posted by gunshooter
I like your resolve kid, you can be on my team any day............
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Well thank you. I'd love to be on your team.

Originally posted by neo96
The biggest bunch of hypocrisy that i have found from OWS and their supporters is:

"We tired of illegal wars blah blah blah" and will throw everything including the kitchen sink to justify their precious little cause saying they need to use VIOLENCE!

Remember that one?

edit on 12-11-2011 by neo96 because: (no reason given)

My problem is this.


YOU'RE EITHER WITH US,OR AGAINST US.

That in itself takes you to pick a side,immediately. If you dont believe in all of it,a part of it,or a fraction of it,makes NO difference.

Sorry,but that ISNT how it works.

reply to post by spikey


I hear ya. Maybe the remedy is just like the mid-east terrorists (again not supporting, just a good comparison in my mind) --- and that is to have a whole chain of command, that is hidden, so if one leader goes down, another pops up in another city, and on and on and on.

Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
Again, you're asking me for something that I don't have an answer to..........

That's the whole problem with the movement and the Socialist/Communist agenda aspect.

This vocal minority OWS wants to force it's view on the whole and doesn't have answers only Gripes and complaints meanwhile back at the ranch, they want to dick around with peoples livelihood and threaten their well being in some grand directionless experiment with no solutions.

Now where the hell is the logic in that?

Oh and by the way 'We are going to get violent if our demands are not met'

Refer to my last post.

No thanks, I've had enough rhetoric for one day already

reply to post by sonnny1


I don't beleive in none of it the keyboard warriors will be sitting all safe an sound behind the monitors while other people will do all the work mostly likely die and then they will come take credit.

It is shameful what we American's become.

Originally posted by Jason88
reply to post by spikey

 

I hear ya. Maybe the remedy is just like the mid-east terrorists (again not supporting, just a good comparison in my mind) --- and that is to have a whole chain of command, that is hidden, so if one leader goes down, another pops up in another city, and on and on and on.

Really? Terrorists? Not a good comparison at all.....................BTW

The Weather Underground approves your message,emphatically.......

The police are part of the 99%. They make around 40k a year, more or less than some posters here. Why go against your own? The police are just doing their jobs, trying to feed their family and keep Portland a safe place.

Once agains, OWS shows their stupidity and one tracked mind.

Originally posted by Jason88

A cheap shot and you know it, Marine.

We can cherry pick our OWS photos all day, but there is defining difference between the two parties, socialism and communism, and you are willingly ignoring it.

I'm not ignoring it, as a matter of fact I've already made it clear that I wasn't attacking 'Socialism' but rather the movement within the movement that many here choose to ignore....


When I post real world images of what IS transpiring within the movement it gets called...

A Cheap shot?

WTF?

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

 

My point is that socialism is not some political ideology; it is policy to revive and maintain a country afflicted with extreme socio-economic disparity.

In many cases socialism leads to equal suffering of the entire population living under it. By created widespread dependency coupled with government profligacy on these programs and you wind up with MORE economic disparity across the nation. Greece is a VERY good recent example of this. Same with France and Italy, same with Spain. They are all socialist basket cases.

There are people who believe they should deserve to be well while others suffer, and then there are those who believe that all people should face the same challenges as a community so that all people would work towards helping the situation for all people. I am of the latter group.

And your assertion about socialism creating more economic disparity is misguided at best. Do you really think that economic disparity is even a social issue when your whole society is virtually of the same economic class? The only reason why people fall for greed in capitalist countries is because of disparity; if you live in a socialist country, you have more important thoughts on life than getting rich and being more powerful than others around you.

And Greece? Greece is being raped by neo-liberal corporate elite of the EU. The people are rioting there because their government's strings are being pulled by external imperial forces. Greece is an extreme example of the reality of finance capitalism: it has no room for socialism, only privatization and foreign ownership of EVERYTHING if the country cannot pay off its debts to the states that own it.

The EU situation is class war. It's all about neo-liberal states trying to consume weaker states. It goes beyond a simple discussion about socialism.

You mean like Venezuela? Where Chavez is constantly trying to usurp supra-constitutional powers? It seems a common theme for South American socialists to do such things.

Actually I was referring to Bolivia and perhaps Peru (did you know that students have been rioting there for weeks just to fight student loan policies that ensure that most students can never pay them off and thus become economic slaves? The Western media ignores things like that).

As for Venezuela, Chavez is extremely popular there. Word of advice: don't believe anything the West says about him. The CIA sponsored a minority coup against him, and they held him for three days before they had to release him back to the millions of Venezuelans who rioted in his name. His policies might seems wrong from the Western point of view, but it's not our place to dictate Venezuelan politics; he is doing what his people want, and they like him.