Originally posted by pteridine
reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
Bad example? OK. How about Cuba? Is that a better example? How will Socialism 'save' the US? How will the stock market be socialized? Do you consider
Canada to be a socialist country?
Cuba is a damn good example of why socialist measures MUST BE implemented in order to preserve a country under economic duress. When the USSR fell,
Cuba lost its main trading partner and the US knew this, which is why they refused to take down the trade embargo.
Cubans, strongly nationalist (not "communist" as the ignorant accuse them as) and communitarian, worked as a nation to become self-sustainable. They
reformed agriculture to include gardens throughout cities, developed green pesticides and re-learned how to use cattle for farming instead of
wastefully using tractors. In terms of socialism itself, the government has always committed to providing housing, education and food to its people.
They did this throughout the 90s as well, managing to provide basic food handouts to every citizen.
And look at Cuba now- it has since stablized from the US attempt to crush it during the 90s with economic and commercial embargos. Cubans are even
instituting some minor capitalist reforms to allow individuals to start small businesses (as the Cuban consolate general to Canada lectured,
"barbershops don't need to be run by the state").
Again I state, Cuba is nationalist. They didn't pick "socialism" or "communism" out of the political jargon basket; the result of their policies
simply come out this way, naturally. If Cuba didn't have such a strong state, then guess what would happen? The US elite would trample Cuba and
again, turn it into their whorehouse. If you look at the will of the Cuban citizen throughout the 90s, they were willing to make personal sacrifices
to maintain the integrity of the state rather than beg the US for help (from the crisis that the US created).
As for Canada? Yeah, we have lots of socialist-style policies here. I'm sure that critics could ramble on all day about the definition of
"socialism", but that's probably because they've never personally benefitted from it. Frankly I like the fact that I pay taxes and I receive
essential life services (medical, specifically). I think that's the way it should be, for all people. I cannot accept a system that allows such
services only to those who can afford them.
And by the way, socialism doesn't actually equate to big brother directing your life, nor does it necessarily have to conflict with TRUE capitalism.
Socialism is simply put, you paying the government to receive the same basic essential standards of right to life as your fellow countrymen. I find
any person or government fighting this concept to be highly contemptuous of human existence, and only interested in their own personal gain at the
expense of another's loss.
Show me a TRUE socialist country?
Ah, the typical "there is no true socialist country so therefore socialism is flawed and wrong" argument
The right domestic socio-economic policy is completely dependant on the situation of the country. If the country is economically and socially stable,
then capitalism should be encouraged for progressive means. If the country is falling hard with income disparity with resulting social dissent, then
socialist policies should be implemented to improve the situation for all citizens. Deliberately making life harder for the already screwed is NOT a
smart political decision, even if you are president of the US with corporations on your right shoulder and security forces on the left.
This is how countries fall, when TPTB completely undermine its general population as stupid sheep that have no real place in the politics above them
(significant democracy in the US? Yeah right). This is a fact regardless if the country is capitalist or communist; when the population puts in
effort that benefits the government, and the government only asks for more and more without providing back, then there is a serious problem with the
so-called "representational government".
By the way, socialism is not the same thing as communism. There's socialist characteristics in communism but communism is a political ideology,
socialism is a socio-economic policy. Two different things.
edit on 12-11-2011 by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi because: (no reason given)