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Originally posted by LuchFrawg420
First of #ing all the government and every other authoritative institution needs to realize that we own them. Without everyday people they have #in squaaaat. They need to do whatever the # we want even if it ends up being the wrong choice. WE DECIDE THEY DO NOT TELL US WHAT THE HELL IS GOOD FOR US. DO you get that?! A government isn't # if there is no one to govern. They need to start negotiating and compromising right away because this is going to turn into physical class warfare. If they gov wants to avoid deaths and violent protests then they need to start sitting down with the leaders of these OWS movements and crunch some plans out before it goes to hell.
Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by dc4lifeskater
People need to stop comparing OWS to the founders that is seriously pathetic, Real men with a real cause not recycled failed left wing ideology.
Originally posted by pteridine
We elect representatives to negotiate. They are called Congressmen and Senators. Do you get that? There are no leaders of the OWS movements but I'm sure many will claim to be so. The entire movement has only vague goals and because of its diffuse nature will result in little being done that will satisfy more than a fraction of the mob. They should start petitions for getting their demands on the ballots. They should actively campaign against representatives who allow the big banks to steal from the people. There is nothing so frightening to a sitting politician than the prospect of being unelected.
What do you want from the government? Free something? Less taxes and more services?
You should probably ask for a free course in persuasive writing and vocabulary building. Take anger management first.
Originally posted by sdcigarpig
reply to post by Resinveins
What do you think is going to happen the first time the police see the protestors are armed with weapons and shields? They will up the ante and break out actual firearms.
So what would you do if you were mayor of any city in the north, say Portland? Would you let the protestors freeze to death in the parks, or would you break the encampments up?
At the beginning of the war, Lincoln prohibited his generals from freeing slaves even in captured territories. On August 30, 1861, Major General John C. Frémont, the commander of the Union Army in St. Louis, proclaimed that all slaves owned by Confederates in Missouri were free. Lincoln opposed allowing military leaders take executive actions that were not authorized by the government, and realized that such actions could induce slaveowners in border states to oppose the Union or even start supporting the enemy. Lincoln demanded Frémont modify his order and free only slaves owned by Missourians actively working for the South. When Frémont refused, he was replaced by the conservative General Henry Wager Halleck.
Lincoln made it clear that the North was fighting the war to preserve the Union. On August 22, 1862, just a few weeks before signing the Proclamation and after he had already discussed a draft of it with his cabinet in July, he wrote a letter in response to an editorial by Horace Greeley of the New York Tribune which had urged complete abolition:
I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored; the nearer the Union will be "the Union as it was." If there be those who would not save the Union, unless they could at the same time save slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy slavery, I do not agree with them. My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause. I shall try to correct errors when shown to be errors; and I shall adopt new views so fast as they shall appear to be true views.
I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty; and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men everywhere could be free.
Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
Originally posted by pteridine
We elect representatives to negotiate. They are called Congressmen and Senators. Do you get that? There are no leaders of the OWS movements but I'm sure many will claim to be so. The entire movement has only vague goals and because of its diffuse nature will result in little being done that will satisfy more than a fraction of the mob. They should start petitions for getting their demands on the ballots. They should actively campaign against representatives who allow the big banks to steal from the people. There is nothing so frightening to a sitting politician than the prospect of being unelected.
What do you want from the government? Free something? Less taxes and more services?
You should probably ask for a free course in persuasive writing and vocabulary building. Take anger management first.
OWS has no single leader, but EVERYONE there is a leader unto himself/herself, a free human and citizen, making that stand braving cold and other elements, out of convictions and conscience.
That there are such citizens making that stand under such circumstances TELLS the authorities that there IS something wrong. And the authorites are not stupid, nor fools. They are humans too, with conscience, and dont get elected by being village idiots.
The authorities know full well what it is all about, and needs no mickey mouse song and dance routines played by both sides. Best they - the authorities, take heed, stop initiating violence, stop ignoring and pretending they know nothing and so do nothing except to further curtail citizens' rights with violence, or there will only be hell to pay later.
Originally posted by Resinveins
reply to post by pteridine
Good luck with that is all I have to say. Making the offer of shelter is a kind gesture... trying to force people though... have fun with that.
As much as I'd love to see OWS gone just for the sheer fact of how much it costs the city (nearly $400k in overtime bills alone) I have to say.. I respect their ability to stand up to the police.
Originally posted by Screwed
You can live like a slave if you wish.
I for one refuse to live in this coming NWO.
One way or another, I WILL NOT live like this!!
edit on 12-11-2011 by Screwed because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by purplemer
Really that is short sighted considering the banks they are protesting against have cost the tax payer hundred of billions....