Russian scientist denies helping Iran build bomb

Originally posted by Gwampo

Originally posted by CaDreamer
reply to post by TechniXcality

 

so tell me then what reasons are there to not believe this scientist?

pretty much the entire history of the relations between the US and Russia... cold war ring a bell buddy?

that may be a semi valid excuse for not believing the official government story from the USA or Russia. however that was not my question, i was speaking to the integrity of this particular scientist. address the question please not derail it.

reply to post by TechniXcality


That wasn't multiple countries. That was Lebanon, and the reply was specific to attacks by multiple countries, but i will never close my eyes to legitimate replies with valid info, so thank you for that.

Originally posted by Phantom28804
reply to post by SLAYER69

 

I'll give you that in relation to Hezbollah and Hamas. The problem I have with it all is that Hezbollah and Hamas whether state sponsored or not are not the country.

Yet they kill and ARE sponsored and supplied by "Certain" countries that play the victim when their covert activities are scrutinized.

That is something that always irks me. They are no different then the KKK in the 60's.

Riddle me this Batman when was the last time the KKK overtly or covertly attacked another country?

I have a hard time trusting the reports that are fueled by US intelligence when US Intelligence has been used in the past to make false accusations as well. They are a little to convenient and no one ever questions anything from the great US government, because they are the peace keepers of the world.

This is exactly why I and quite a few others here will consider the source first.

RT, PressTV, BBC, ABC, CBC, NBC, FOX, CNN....

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Don't forget Haertz, and the Guardian there lol. They are very skewed as well from what I can tell.

funny thing is if you look at all the news stories over the past few days with the rhetoric of war etc etc. The only ones that continued to claim war was imminent other then the ATS'ers were Fox News, Haertz, and The Guardian. All of them were on the War Wagon but everything else had gone silent. It's always funny to open up Fox News when something like that is happening then open CNN and look at them side by side.

For the record people like you are the main reason I enjoy this site. People that I can debate with on these subjects who can actually debate logically without being offended. So thank you for that

Originally posted by Phantom28804
reply to post by SLAYER69

 

Don't forget Haertz, and the Guardian there lol. They are very skewed as well from what I can tell.

I covered myself there....

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It would depend on WHO wrote the history books.
I have heard stories that the history books have
changed a lot over the years.

Originally posted by Gwampo

Originally posted by CaDreamer
reply to post by TechniXcality

 

so tell me then what reasons are there to not believe this scientist?

pretty much the entire history of the relations between the US and Russia... cold war ring a bell buddy?

So to understand you... The scientist is lying because 30 years ago russia and the us were in a pissing contest (note the was no actual war in said "cold war")

To the same logic.. the UK shouldnt ever trust america because many years ago you stood up against us,

Holland should never ever believe anything portugal or spain say becaus eback before america exsisted the three of them had major issue with each other due to the slave trade and colonial ambition!

you know what.. i dont care what those pesky argentinians say i bet they wanna fight us for some falklands action again.

and watch those persians and mongolians i bet there chocking to rebuild there empires at a drop of hat!

Everyone... when Mercedez or BMW say there car is the safest on the market they are lying as germany was at war with us twice in the last 100 years...


Yes i see what you are saying the reason the scientis is lying is because there was a cold war between his country and the us 30 years ago!!



Or im gonna through one out there... he didnt infact help Iran.. i know it seems crazy but... Iranians are people too, some can even be increadibly smart... they coudl if they wanted easily build nuclear wepons by reverse engineering technology already documented and have a nuclear program with any scientist that learned nuclear theory anywhere in the god damn world that teaches it then moved back to Iran!


We'll call that possability B....

it was probably those shifty russians

reply to post by GonzoSinister


no the reason a russian scientist or any scientist for that matter would deny helping iran build a nuclear bomb is out self presservation nothing more nothing less.. But also realisticly it wouldnt surprise me if a scientist helps Iran build the bomb that he would be Russian.

Originally posted by TechniXcality
reply to post by GonzoSinister

 

no the reason a russian scientist or any scientist for that matter would deny helping iran build a nuclear bomb is out self presservation nothing more nothing less.. But also realisticly it wouldnt surprise me if a scientist helps Iran build the bomb that he would be Russian.

The most xenophobic quote i have seen in a while...

there is no logical reason, only your in built distrust of Russians?

well i feel if anyone helped him it would probably be an American! (guessing i ddont need to justify that sentence either?)

i imagine you will jump to the defense of the US in the many US bashing threads that come up?

why self preservation? he has nothing to be ashamed of, Iran has as much right as any other country to have nuclear weapons.. (i dont feel any country should, but if one has them why not the rest?)

Scared the US or Israel might what... bomb his house in russia?? march him back into Iran and make him unteach the information?

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"why self preservation? he has nothing to be ashamed of, Iran has as much right as any other country to have nuclear weapons.. (i dont feel any country should, but if one has them why not the rest?)"

Dude, i'm not going to dignify a poster who is obviously out of touch with "reality" . Now dont go getting the idea that im saying anybodys belife that is different then mine means there loony. As that's not what im saying, but you seem to use politcal bias and distortion of facts to support some peace love and harmony agenda, ok man good for you!


nothing wrong with wanting peace, and even if we disagree on how to achieve that goal, as long as we reach that goal we will all be happy.

Originally posted by TechniXcality
reply to post by GonzoSinister

 

"why self preservation? he has nothing to be ashamed of, Iran has as much right as any other country to have nuclear weapons.. (i dont feel any country should, but if one has them why not the rest?)"

Dude, i'm not going to dignify a poster who is obviously out of touch with "reality" . Now dont go getting the idea that im saying anybodys belife that is different then mine means there loony. As that's not what im saying, but you seem to use politcal bias and distortion of facts to support some peace love and harmony agenda, ok man good for you!

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nothing wrong with wanting peace, and even if we disagree on how to achieve that goal, as long as we reach that goal we will all be happy.

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No i feel the exact opposite, i just try to look at it from an un bias stand point...

to date the only people who have used a nuclear weapon as an act of war are the US,
the US are knwo and vocal Allies of Israel,
Israel have Issues with Iran and have not been secretive about it!
the only way you can 100% gaurentee the US dont use a nuclear bomb on you is have your own nuclear arsenal thus creating a mutual assurance that one bomb launched would create a return attempt at nuking the launcher.

how pray tell am i out of touch with reality?

It more like you who doesnt understand the workings of a country who wants to have a fight with an allie of the Us they first need to gaurentee they have eliminated all of the most dangerous variables before stepping up and having an all out war, in this case nuclear weapons, that eliminates one of the Ace's in israels Deck!!



I agree and about reaching peace, i firmly believe the only thing that kept the cold war cold was the idea no one had a nuclear advantage! Iran must be also aware of this as im sure they have looked at all the varaibles!




I dont in anyway support a peace and love and harmony agenda, but as i said, if one country has the rights to having nuclear weapons all do! i think everyone should get rid of nuclear weapons!! fight with robots.. less deaths, higher tv ratings winner gets whatever land is wagered on

Originally posted by CaDreamer
reply to post by TechniXcality

 

so tell me then what reasons are there to not believe this scientist?

If we use history as our guide then there are a lot of incidents that would lead a person to believe the Russian scientist may not be completely truthful.

The collapse of the Soviet Union resulted in a lot of technical experts moving on to other countries who were willing to pay or their services. Aside from the obvious embarassment the Soviet / Russian government would have, it would also highlight the state of their military sector while demonstrating the loss of control from the central government / military command.

To make matters worse if Russia were directly involved with the Iran nuke program (weapons side) they would lose credbility with the internatioanl community / UN. They could face sanctions, while their petition to join the WTO and other UN entities would essentially be ended. If sanctions were put in place it would be geared to their economic side, which would essentially halt their rebuilding / restructureing. If the scientist were working outside the knowledge of the Russian government / military, there will be an investigation since the scientists actions could result in dragging Russia into a scenario they werent expecting.

As with any secret program (if this were one) the main goal if captured / exposed would be plausible deniability. Its also possible the scientist was working with Iran without the knowledge / consent of the Russian government.

While I get what your saying about directly from the horses mouth, it doesnt completely dispell the accusations made. His response looks like some of the responses coming out of Iran - vague dismissals of accusations.

Is it going to take a nuclear test detonation from Iran for people to get the big picture?

People on this website lack brain sells.

Russia says they didn't do it so it must means they didn't do it!


Idiots, if the USA made a statement like this everybody would be quick to call them a liar.
I would bet money that hardly any people on this website have a degree in anything.

Originally posted by charles1952
reply to post by Phantom28804

 

(Flips a coin.) Ok, I'll start with your post.

Isn't about time that we stop repeating the mistaken impression (lie?) that there were no WMD's found in Iraq? Of course there were. Not nukes, but nerve gasses and other chemical weapons.

House Intelligence Committee

Same gasses supplied by the US in the 80s, used for genociding some Kurds, and then found rusting in storage during Operation Iraqi Liberation? What US forces found were far from the "mobile chemical labs" and "WMD capable of attacking the mainland US in 45 minutes notice", and the reason why it didn't recieve widespread media coverage was because any idiot competent in modern Iraqi history knew where those chemical weapons came from- the US.

As for the OP, Russia has recently annouced that it will be building more nuclear facilities within Iran (processing facilities I think). So that means more Russian personnel will be working in potential targets for airstrikes. The last time a foreign nation attacked Russians, Russia responded with hard force to protect its people.

I have serious doubts about people claiming that this guy is lying, mostly just because they base this assumption on the fact that Russia is the perceived enemy too. Frankly I don't know the real answer, but Russia doesn't exactly lie when it comes to international politics like Israel and every Western plutocracy. And really, I'm sure that if Russia wanted Iran to have nuclear weapons, they would probably sell their own models to them instead of showing Iranians how to build their own- that way Russia still has play over their program and makes profit from the weapon sales.

reply to post by Xcathdra


so your saying that one mans integrity is questionable because of where he was born? seems silly to ascribe motives to an individual based solely on his governments track record. My government the US govt. has an atrocious foreign policy record. i am appalled daily by those politicians. it is not a reflection of me however, not in the slightest. i am my own man and my scruples are my own.
to cast doubt on the scientist you should really be focusing on his actions past or present. anything else is really just biased profiling and character assassination.

Dear Akragon,

Nice catch that those articles weren't being exactly clear and forthcoming with their information. Hats off to you.

You talked about connecting dots. Are these all valid dots?

Danilenko was a Soviet scientist.
He worked for decades at a SovietTop Secret nuclear weapons research center.
He worked at Iran's Physics Research Center from 1996-2002.
He was expert in using explosions to create tiny diamonds.
He is accused of helping Iran to develop an advanced detonator essential for triggering a nuclear chain reaction.
He said he "thought" his work was limited to assisting civilian engineering projects.
Experts from the IAEA and the U.S. State Department had met with Danilenko several times in recent years.
He is accused with helping the Iranians with nuclear detonation problems


Against this are his claims

"I am not a nuclear physicist and am not the founder of the Iranian nuclear program," Danilenko was quoted as telling the newspaper. He declined any further comment, Kommersant said.

(emphasis added)

It's all about connecting the dots guys. The Iran defense is holding a lot more water than the IAEA accusations.

From these few articles I'm not 100% convinced of his guilt, but I wouldn't mind going to trial with these facts. I can't even see what his defense would be. He seems to be saying "I didn't commit the crime you're not accusing me of doing, and I refuse to talk about the crimes you are accusing me of doing."

But it clearly indicates this man is not the type of guy that would be the brain power behind a nuclear weapons program such as the IAEA implies.

But IAEA is only saying that there was a difficult problem to solve, triggering the chain reaction, and he helped them with it.

Thanks for giving this so much thought.

With respect,
Charles1952

He was an expert working at a Russian nuclear facility, specialising in nuclear trigger mechanisms.

The Russians do not just let such people with specialised knowledge just wander off and work for foreign governments!

As I have said all along, the Iranians are being used by the NWO and funnelled the means to collapse the Western world via mega terrorism, as supposed revenge for an Israeli attack upon them. One that is made certain by relentlessly backing Israel into a corner.

I still maintain that neither side is worthy of our trust. Neither or both sides could by lying on any of these issues, and theres basically no way of knowing who, if anyone, is taking an "just" stance.

I see motivation on both sides. On the one hand, Russian interests in the middle east, and maybe some gains from volatility from the west.

On the other, the Israel-US crusade in the middle east, which i cant even begin to understand. I chalk it up to them just maintaining economic interests and a total sphere of influence there, as always.

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Georgia-CIA sting nets bomb-grade uranium

WASHINGTON — Republic of Georgia authorities, aided by the CIA, set up a sting operation last summer that led to the arrest of a Russian man who tried to sell a small amount of nuclear bomb-grade uranium in a plastic bag in his jacket pocket, U.S. and Georgian officials said........

Georgian attempts to trace the nuclear material since the arrest and confirm whether the man indeed had access to larger quantities have foundered from a lack of cooperation from Russia

CIA - Appendix A: Chronology of Nuclear Smuggling Incidents

Food for thought with regards to the scientists and Russias denial. Im not saying this guy is not telling the truth, however taking his response at face value without doing more research is dangerous.

Originally posted by TechniXcality
reply to post by Corruption Exposed

 

yea right, you seriously belive a russian scientist is going to admit he helped IRAN build a nuke. What walgreens world do you live in?

lol walgreens world ,good way to put that... exactly if he did he isnt going to say "yeah i did" but who knows