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posted on Nov, 11 2011 @ 07:39 AM
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US 'kill team' soldier convicted of murder




Military court finds Calvin Gibbs guilty of murdering Afghan civilians, but decides against automatic life sentence.





A US army sergeant has been convicted of murdering unarmed civilians and cutting fingers from their corpses as ringleader of a rogue platoon in Afghanistan's south.



But the jury at a court-martial hearing on Thursday decided against the automatic life sentence for Staff Sergeant Calvin Gibbs, 26, saying he would be eligible for parole after serving eight and a half years.



The alleged ring leader of “kill team” was found guilty on all 15 counts, including three charges of premeditated murder in southern Afghanistan between January and May last year.

The verdict and sentence marked the culmination of an 18-month investigation of the most egregious atrocities that US military personnel have been convicted of committing during a decade of war in Afghanistan.

Photographs entered as evidence in the case showed Gibbs and other soldiers casually posing with bloodied Afghan corpses, drawing comparisons with the inflammatory Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse scandal in Iraq in 2004.



'All savages'

Major Dre Leblanc, a military prosecutor, argued against parole, reminding the panel that Gibbs had often said of the Afghan people he terrorised: "These people are all savages, look at how they live."

Gibbs was convicted on three counts of premeditated murder in the slayings of Afghan villagers last year that were disguised as legitimate combat engagements.

Prosecutors said he acted as the chief instigator behind those killings and other assaults by members of his self-described "kill team."

Besides charges of murder, conspiracy and other offenses he was found guilty of beating a soldier who reported hashish use to superiors and of military code violations for cutting fingers off bodies as war trophies.

A single count of threatening another soldier was dismissed earlier this week.,

Gibbs insisted two of the killings for which he was charged were in self-defence and that he played no role in the other. He denied allegations of planting weapons near the bodies.

Testifying in his own defence last Friday, Gibbs said he had "disassociated" himself from his actions while in combat and likened the removal of fingers from dead bodies to the taking of antlers from a deer.beating

Prosecution witnesses portrayed Gibbs as a blood-thirsty renegade who intimidated fellow soldiers and harboured a deep, ethnic hatred of the very people US troops were sent to protect from Taliban forces.

His chief accuser was the ex-corporal described as Gibbs' right-hand man, Jeremy Morlock, who pleaded guilty to murder for his role in the same three killings and was sentenced in March to 24 years in prison under a deal with prosecutors to obtain his co-operation in the case.

Five soldiers in all from the infantry unit formerly called the 5th Stryker Brigade were accused of murder, although Gibbs and Morlock were the only charged with more than one killing.


AJE

 


Here is what US is bringing other nations in Middle East.

He says "These people are all savages, look at how they live". It is just another propaganda US makes to justify it's invasions and killings. How do they live ? really ? Do they breath different kind of air you breath in ? Or they bleed different ?

They are just some people who have chosen to live different and practice a different religion.

Not only , US has not brought peace and development to Afghanistan and Iraq , but also has brought poverty and destruction to those countries.

 


Obama new theory for war failed



It is just a game US govt has been playing for years. It makes some terror in his country , then justifies invasion on other countries.


The last US agenda to terrorize it's own people is TSA. Obama has decided to attack Iran from long ago. But as you know , war with Iran doesn't involve only bombardment and ground takeover , but also requires as much American soldiers as possible.

So Obama decided to terrorize as much people as he could to support his agenda in the 2012 war.

But American people acted differently and they didn't support him for his new war. This is what OWS has done to him and all the tables have turned.


Peace
hmdphantom
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posted on Nov, 11 2011 @ 07:39 AM
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War is the ugliest thing on this planet. Ordinary people on both side are going to be oppressed as the war starts.

regarding this thread of mine which is about a woman who is assaukted sexually in US army , in Afghanistan :

Wars - NWO - Sexual assault

ex]Jessica is joining a civil lawsuit bringing claims against former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and former Defense Secretary Robert Gates, charging that under their watch the military failed to adequately and effectively investigate rapes and sexual assaults within the ranks.


As the war in Afghanistan passes its ten-year mark, sexual assault runs rampant within the ranks, with an estimated one in three female service members raped during their service, according to at least one peer-reviewed study. This is in a military where women comprise more 11 per cent of active duty service members deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan and more than 15 per cent of the total military, with at least 200,000 active duty women currently serving. This epidemic also affects men: 60 per cent of women serving in the National Guard and Reserve, along with 27 per cent of men, are estimated to have experienced Military Sexual Trauma (MST). Perpetrators rely on a chain of command that appears to offer virtual impunity for sexual assaults committed against lower-ranking service members


 

Comaparing both sides of war



in the invaded country , men and women are being :

1.Killed
2.Raped
3.Injured or hurt emotionally
4.Destructed and destroyed infrastructures
5.Feeling insecurity and chaos
6.Paying by their resources (oil or mines) to get their security and infrastructures back.

in the invader side , men and women are being :

1.Killed
2.Raped
3.Injured or hurt emotionally
4.Lied to and manipulated
5.Feeling insecurity and chaos
6.Paying taxes to support the invasion , losing money.

I think that defending is justified on the invaded side. Ordinary people go to fronts to defend their honor and their weaker ones (i,e children and old people)

But on the invader side , there are two different groups who are involved in imposing wars.

1. An ignorant nation who support war. They are the tools for the blood thirsty war-machine.

2.Lunatic warmongers. They are the ones who pull the stings. They are the people with money and power. (The PTB)

So , I doubt that any politician come to visit ATS , then have a good time denying ignorance with me.
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posted on Nov, 11 2011 @ 07:46 AM
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i found it quite a farce when i read in an article that one of the soldiers go a lighter sentence 3 years ? even though he had commited murder.

so much for justice , i guess if it was americans that where being murdered they d all be serving 3x life without parole possibly even the death sentence ,

10-20 years for murder(s), body part collection is just a piss in the eye



posted on Nov, 11 2011 @ 07:54 AM
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Look at the sentence for trying to compete with the US dollar:

Von NotHaus, who remains free on bond, faces a sentence of up to 15 years’ imprisonment on count two of the indictment and a fine of not more than $250,000. Von NotHaus faces a prison sentence of five years and fines of $250,000 on both counts one and three. In addition, the United States is seeking the forfeiture of approximately 16,000 pounds of Liberty Dollar coins and precious metals, currently valued at nearly $7 million.



posted on Nov, 11 2011 @ 07:59 AM
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As I recall this picture is taken of an Afghan boy raped by American soldiers.

Both sides are losing much.



posted on Nov, 11 2011 @ 08:14 AM
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US has different categories for justice. For example , justice for elites , justice for the rich , justice for the poor , justice for invaded countries.

This case is in the justice for invaded countries category. It doesn't involve racism.

US justice is just about equivalent. sarcasm.



posted on Nov, 11 2011 @ 08:28 AM
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To my knowledge the young 15 year old boy in this photo was murdered by this scumbag soon after the photo was taken, all the other shots of this young boy I've seen show him dead.

These soldiers, especially the ring leader appearing in this shot should had got the death penalty!

If this was my son been raped, torchered and murdered by this American scum I'd hunt this filthy dirty soldier down and kill him myself!
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posted on Nov, 11 2011 @ 08:34 AM
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Please remember: this is a few bad apples, NOT all US Military are the same as this pile of dog fecal matter



posted on Nov, 11 2011 @ 09:42 AM
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Prosecution witnesses portrayed Gibbs as a blood-thirsty renegade who intimidated fellow soldiers and harboured a deep, ethnic hatred of the very people US troops were sent to protect from Taliban forces.




One mans blood thirsty renegade is another mans freedom fighter.

For every young soldier repulsed by this man, there are a few who will imitate him.

This is why war itself is no solution

ever ~ at anytime ~

and resorting to it is barbarism

which will in all likelihood be met with

escalated barbarism.


I do not like this soldier one bit, a disgusting piece of refuse and yet some mother's son who enlisted to fight for OUR freedom and against terror. Now he is the terrorist himself. BUT if you ever saw the movie with Christian Slater and Kevin Bacon called MURDER IN THE FIRST, you can see how he can, and must be defended, as unpleasant as this must have been for those representing him.

The closing argument there and here is to determine "Was he a killer before or did his imposed environment make a killer and a barbarian out of him?"

Making a man a "justifiable murderer" as a soldier in war and then getting picky about who he kills and how he does it is understandably inconsistent and sending a mixed message. These types of dualities are difficult for sane and rational minds to differentiate. Perhaps not as much a problem for those who put themselves on "auto pilot" and autopilot is the operative mode for war. You do what you are instructed to do. You block out the unpleasant consequences (at least until you get back to the US - then you can have your nightmares).

Another example of this blatant hypocrisy when viewing the ravages of war is evident in our blindness to the ravages of sex and drugs. JUST SAY NO TO DRUGS. And yet DRUGS are among our largest and most profitable industries, PUSHED everywhere you look, and killing more people than war, than automobile accidents and cancer. JUST SAY NO? DRUGS are being thrust on innocent victims BY the pharmaceutical industry every hour of everyday of every week. Just say no? What does this even mean? To people accepting CASH? That's all I can figure by the messages.

AND SEX - another BIG FAT HYPOCRISY where we try to play both sides of the coin. We tell adolescents JUST SAY NO? Promoting abstinence while providing soft porn, ample sexual innuendo and reams of sexual stimulation everywhere they look, in the products, on the shows geared toward them, at the same time.

IF HYPOCRISY WERE PUNISHABLE BY LAW - WE WOULD NOT BE CONFRONTING NOW - UNFORTUNATE, EMBARRASSING AND DETESTABLE INCIDENTS (like so many drug deaths, date rapes, and soldiers disgusting and inhuman brutality to prisoners). War is no solution and occupation is a crime.

Please keep in mind there's a small but significant percentage of soldiers doing what this man is accused of and much worse. He just got caught.

Of course (and if you take me out of context - skip this part) it goes without saying today on Veterans Day, there are GOOD, brave and ethical soldiers. I have to think MOST are. If they were not - we would never get away with waging "WAR" on terror or with this "occupation" in the first place.

We are not the same "people" we were in the 40's. Soldiers are no exception. Sad but I think we have to admit - We're not that innocent. This generation is enured to violence, collects serial killer cards, was raised on slasher films. If you are a ruler or TPTB and decide still, in these times to adopt a plan of WAR, you need to be mindful of and prepared for the resulting fallout and likely, unintended consequences of slightly effed up people.

After awhile most THINKING PEOPLE start asking ...Maybe there is a better way to separate these people from their oil reserves while at the same time protect ourselves from terrorist attack?


Hmmmm....


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posted on Nov, 11 2011 @ 09:54 AM
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I've seen the whole collection of photos in regards to this young 15 year old Afghani, the one in the article was the last one taken of him alive, you don't want to see the rest. This young boy was murdered by the time they finished with him. All he did was was ride along a road on his bicycle minding his own business and those bastards nabbed him. This handsome young boy was precious to his mother, no doubts about it. I had tears in my eyes when I saw the photos. Can you imagine what would had gone through the mind of this young boy who knew he had no chance? He was sodomized, torchered, beaten then murdered. How many of you have teenage sons? I do!

The ring leader was a father of a young son himself. What the hell was he thinking? I hope to God his son never acknowledges his father ever again, better still, change his name as soon as he turns 18 and have nothing to do with him.

I'm ashamed of this kind of conduct among American soldiers and it's not the first time, it happened in Iraq often and it was common place in Vietnam.

Why are American soldiers immune to the death penalty when they murder in cold blood; if it was a civilian murdering this young child in the USA he would see the lethal injection.

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posted on Nov, 11 2011 @ 10:09 AM
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Originally posted by HomerinNC
Please remember: this is a few bad apples, NOT all US Military are the same as this pile of dog fecal matter


turning a blind eye towards it all is just as rotten ,

besides , isnt the whole point of having a military in the first place to secure ones boarders and not to be throwing the first stone as one pleases,...



posted on Nov, 11 2011 @ 11:09 AM
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Originally posted by hmdphantom
Here is what US is bringing other nations in Middle East.

He says "These people are all savages, look at how they live". It is just another propaganda US makes to justify it's invasions and killings. How do they live ? really ? Do they breath different kind of air you breath in ? Or they bleed different ? They are just some people who have chosen to live different and practice a different religion.

Few people in Afghanistan are afforded the luxury of choosing how to live or what religion to practice. They generally live the lives they are born into and practice Islam. And most of us in the West do consider things like apostasy laws, bacha bazi, oppressing girls and women, and honor killings to be barbaric holdovers from the bronze age with no place in the modern world, so yeah, "savages" may be accurate in a few neighborhoods. Doesn't excuse a bunch of Americans becoming savages, but it might help us understand why it happened. And the fact that we try and imprison our savages, rather than elevating their behavior to cultural norms, is instructive.



posted on Nov, 11 2011 @ 12:54 PM
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Please remember: this is a few bad apples, NOT all US Military are the same as this pile of dog fecal matter


I know. But I wanted to provide an example of how people will be treated by each other , as the war starts and long after war ends.

IMO much people specially in US are considering what US govt provides to be right.

I live in Iran, I have seen a lot of afghans in my life. Mostly they are hard working people and they are very modest.

Invading Afghanistan , and justifying the invasion will not solve the problem.

I propose all members do some investigation about Afghans and then accept the results of their own investigation.

 


In the afterlife people will be asked about who they supported and what they did. I believe , as soon as people do their own deep investigation , they will stop supporting US govt about what their govt says.

American should travel the oceans to discover other nations and their culture. Sometimes culture has roots over thousands of years ago.

Deny ignorance for yourself or you will be manipulated.



posted on Nov, 11 2011 @ 01:21 PM
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Very great reply.

Thank you for sending it.




Maybe there is a better way to separate these people from their oil reserves while at the same time protect ourselves from terrorist attack?


I have done my own investigation and observation about Middle Eastern people.

I once read about Some materialist-westerners dealing with Muslims long ago. It was said that Muslims were in-understandable creatures looking to those westerners. It was a very great wonder that Muslims were not slaves for money. Many westerners still believe the same thing. The reality is that Materialists and Muslims think in two different ways. Materialists do everything to get more money.Logical Muslims do everything allowed to get to please Allah.

Islam doesn't allow Muslims to terror non-muslims in the first place. Islam doesn't justify killing innocent non-Muslims.

9/11 and similar acts are just a production of some brainwashed CIA manipulated people. They are the ones who won't find heaven waiting for them on the other side. True Muslims don't like these actions.

I believe that God will test everyone's actions and then all people will die.I think that maybe the ultimate test for everyone in the 21 century is to find the truth and to support truth. This involves more education and more investigation.

I wish you accomplish both of them.



posted on Nov, 11 2011 @ 01:32 PM
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If I ever had the random chance of seeing such a soldier perform such devious acts on civilian populations such as the convicted U.S. sargent; my thoughts would be to instantly frag and kill the mofo with extreme prejudice!!!

His crimmal actions have no place in the U.S. armed services.

My extreme apologies and condolences, to all of the Afhgan people, for having to suffer the agonys of war in which the United States government, and the coalition forces have no justifiable right to be in Afhganistan with there intention of grabbing all of the mineral wealth which is so prolific in such a beautiful country.



Foofighter's


Erno86
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posted on Nov, 12 2011 @ 12:53 AM
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Hey...about this ...




Maybe there is a better way to separate these people from their oil reserves while at the same time protect ourselves from terrorist attack? Hmmmm....



...do you know what "tongue in cheek means?"



posted on Nov, 12 2011 @ 02:41 AM
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Is this what American soldiers do in their spare time when not out killing and murdering Afghanis?

www.liveleak.com...

I think it's time to pull in the American soldiers and re-train them first to become real men before becoming soldiers!



posted on Nov, 12 2011 @ 02:44 AM
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I fail to see what your post has anything to do with the soldiers convicted of murdering unarmed innocent people!



posted on Nov, 12 2011 @ 03:03 AM
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Most of white America/Europe is racist and still to this day thinks of brown skinned people as 'savages'.

They have no regard for human life.

Why not? Those brown skinned people aren't smart enough to devise weaponry to defend themselves and keep the hoards from slaughtering them.

Gibbs might get a little punishment to save face for the nation and buy time.....but which country is next to get slaughtered and sent back to the stone age?.....their nations destroyed....contaminated with Depleted Uranium to crack their DNA and destroy them.....

The Sergeant shouldn't be taking the punishment....where were the Commanding Officers who watch over their NCO's? Holding the Camera and laughing.



posted on Nov, 12 2011 @ 03:39 AM
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Why not? Those brown skinned people aren't smart enough to devise weaponry to defend themselves and keep the hoards from slaughtering them.


The problem is Afghan people don't know who to trust .

Taliban is supported by Pakistan. So , they don't trust them .

American forces could not be trusted either.

They are stuck between two foreign groups fighting in their country. They are far far oppressed to do such a thing.

But it is their own fault that they don't unite and fight.

You know that US army is leaving Iraq. Because , there is no militia such as Taliban in Iraq. US forces know that they don't have a reason to stay in Iraq. Iraq really is a swamp for American forces.

But in Afghanistan this is different there are different groups of people minding , or never minding US army presence in their country. There is no major threat for American forces except Taliban.

My point is, suppose you are a normal human being and there is a retarded boy in your neighborhood who possess a home with a treasure buried in his yard.

Do you have the right to invade his home and take all his treasures just because you are normal ?
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