mehran keshe free energy generator is a scam.

i have reviewed his patent and as it was presented ,it is impossible.the core of the generator ,there is hydrogen gas surrounded by noble gasses.there is no way on earth to concentrate hydrogen in the center of other gasses.hydrogen bounces around like a random high speed basketball
.as much as i wish it were true ,its not.so if he actually has a european patent,then dont trust european patents either.they must not require proof?what do yall think.sorry i have no way to post copies of the patent or
links.thankyou for your patience.

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Who has bought into this? Investors should look into the products they invest in. Gasses will not produce a ZPE device.

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Yes Mr keshe is a scammer. here are the ways to catch a scammer. Keshe meets most of them.

These are the sign of a scam by a con artist written by Phil Karn from another website. Keshe meets most of the criteria.
Some warning signs of crackpot or fraudulent inventions (special thanks to Phil Karn):

1. Extreme obsession with secrecy

fear of getting "ripped off"
refuses or delays patent application ("won't protect me")
e.g., Carl Tilley; Adam Clark; Madison Priest

some sincerely self-deluded inventors are exception;
Walker publishes enough to easily see mistakes

2. Inventor works alone, refuses technical help

��������������� e.g., Madison Priest, Adam Clark

��������������� sometimes, like-minded crackpots do join forces,
��������������� �e.g, Walker and Feher

3. Invokes conspiracies to explain lack of progress

Joseph Newman and the USPTO
Carl Tilley
Adam Clark
many other examples

4. The claimed invention implies violations of firmly established
�� mathematical or physical laws

the inventor may or may not directly admit this, or even understand it
the inventor may claim that existing laws are correct but widely "misunderstood"; naturally, only he understands them correctly

e.g.,
perpetual motion or "overunity" (Tilley, Newman, many others)
high speed modems operating in ultra-narrow bandwidths (Walker, Feher)
- walker claims Shannon is correct but "misunderstood"
full motion, high resolution video in dialup phone lines (Adam Clark, Madison Priest, Pixelon)
reactionless space drives

5. Claims discovery of new physical theories, or comprehensive "theories
�� of everything"

��������������� or asserts existing, accepted theories are "wrong"
��������������� all without proof

6. An unusually long gestation period without commercialization

frequently promises working device "in a few months"
deadlines always missed

e.g.,
Dennis Lee's free electricity machine
Newman's motor since early 1980s
Lutec 1000
VMSK and related schemes under development since 1985; no
commercial deployment of any scheme
"Adam's Platform" since 1998

7. Lack of formal education in relevant field

especially when combined with frequent potshots at the "establishment"

but sometimes outsiders *do* make significant contributions;
e.g., turbo coding came from outside the traditional coding
community. Claims were quickly and widely verified

8. Pursuit of ******* from unconventional sources

individuals, especially the elderly with large life savings
church groups, especially fundamentalist
wealthy people lacking education in subject field
******* sources with in-house expertise are carefully avoided
(e.g. large technology corporations and hi-tech VCs)

e.g., Dennis Lee, Carl Tilley

8. Repeated pattern of touting one design and then abandoning it in
�� favor of a new one when critics show it cannot work ��������������� ("bait and switch")

��������������� e.g., Walker's VPSK, then VMSK, then MSB, etc, etc

9. Appeals to religion or "higher power"

��������������� especially when seeking ******* from religious people or groups we humans "deserve" this invention, etc.

10. Heavy marketing emphasis on wonderful applications of device,
��������������� carefully avoiding question of whether the device actually works

e.g.,
VMSK would greatly increase capacity of RF spectrum
overunity devices would cure pollution, stop oil wars
Adam Platform would allow many more video applications
Dennis Lee would eliminate electric companies�������������
many more examples
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Does this sound like Keshe. Modus operandi of phony antigravity free ****** guys. Keshe meets most criteria. Website is www.phact.org... .

Becoming a Con man of crackpot technology for fun and profit

last updated 2003-02-23 - found at www.phact.org...

how to make a living pitching free ****** machines

A number of people have made a decent living ripping off (usually elderly) investors, promising they will get rich on free ******.
---- the following tips can help any charismatic salesman get lots of money and notoriety ----

� Be very careful to have any investors forfeit their right to legal action any way possible. - this can be a last minute statement to sign, often you can hide silencing terms in a nondisclosure agreement.
� Start with outrageous enough claims to filter the more skeptical people out as early as possible. But, be careful about making too many bogus scientific claims, or you may find self-righteous skeptics trying to debunk you - if this happens, tell your followers they (or any critics) are part of the conspiracy - maybe nitpick at fine points of their arguments, but don't ever respond to their main thrust.
� Claim you are not in it for the money, just to save humanity. Say you have already been offered huge sums, but want to sell it to the little guy (i.e. the gullible guy). Try to market it to older mid-western Christian farmers - they've always bought in in the past. Build excitement for something wonderful.
� Focus investors attention away from evaluating claims on technical grounds. The following distractions are recommended:
get them involved in political issues. Convince them you have some large secretive benefactor.
focus their attention on an elaborate multi-generational international conspiracy which has kept everyone pitching free ****** to fail. Make your audience outraged against the conspiracy, yet empowered that they can finally overcome it by giving you money.
talk about your valiant battles with the patent office or some government bureaucracy (that always warms people up)
get into religion quick (religious people are already taught to have faith) -appear to have God on your side
get people to focus on your theory rather than measurable evidence.
claim it already has been proven so you need not offer any proof Tell them you are done proving it and need big money to start mass production.
Write an autobiography (self-published, of course) where you can "control" the facts. When someone questions your shady past simply say, "Buy my book and learn the truth about what REALLY happened." Naive people won't question the "facts" because, after all, it's in a book. If your book is long enough, you may mesmerize them.
� You must focus on the big conspiracy. It's very important to make people believe in the big conspiracy - because that's your excuse for past failures, present lack of evidence, the critics, and future delays. Locking horns with bureaucrats or the scientific community can distract from your lack of evidence and get you great free press. Make people believe exciting claims of bad guys wanting to steal or bury your ideas. - then claim you will destroy your prototypes and records rather than let them fall into the hands of the bad guys.
� Be bold, sell books, consider taking out full page ad or get on the radio. People will feel that something this out in the open can not possibly be a fly by night Con. The most successful cons are ones lasting for a few years not the quick cons.
� Watch your target market, Go after people predisposed to believing in conspiracy theories such as the militias, JFK conspiracy, and UFO cover-up groups.
� If you are forced to demonstrate some device, consider the following important tips: bore the skeptics right out of the room with long discourses on elementary science; claim you have some adjustments to make, yet; say it worked yesterday; run your machine for just a few seconds and move on to some other important point. - or do the Newman trick of openly hooking up input power and just promising it's less than what comes out.
� A good final lesson, if the heat from impatient investors and public scrutiny gets too much, do what Keely did - just walk away from it all (just claim it doesn't work because the remaining people don't understand it) , and just start some new investment scheme for some other amazing claim.
� operate from a state which is soft on fraud and organized crime.
� Get people to pay around 20 - 100$ for "information kits" or video tapes. Once they've paid that much, it's easier to get them to start paying more money.
� Discourage investors from contacting each other and cover up evidence of earlier bitter investors.
� Get followers to sell your stuff to their friends, family and churches - try multilevel schemes - promise they will get rich by commissions on getting others to invest (who cares if this destroys their friendships).
� Be open to having newer investors buy out older more impatient investors. Always promise a disgruntled investor that someone else will soon buy him out.
� Don't be afraid of lawsuits, if OJ got off so can you - they can be one more excuse for delays. Most attorney generals will just bluff with a cease and desist order and then move on to someone else.
� Don't be afraid of investors defecting, most of them will feel too stupid to go public with their story - even if some do start successful attacks on you, just say they are agents of the big conspiracy.
� Jealously guard your list of investors, a good sucker list is worth its weight in gold and can even be sold to other con men.
� Don't be afraid of the press, they don't usually evaluate outlandish claims, and even if they do - your audience won't likely listen.
� Be open to 'red-lining' your investors (i.e.: tell them if they don't come up with just a little more money, they will lose it all)
� Be ready to move to another state with corrupt or weak DA's - if you are done 'harvesting' your initial area. (i.e.: New Jersey is known as an east coast haven for the mob, prostitution and home repair scams) Most states don’t bother to track people down across state lines.
� If you are really bold, you could give commissions for investors to find more investors. Better to also make others responsible for building the machines - it buys you time and gives you another person to blame.
Explain complex subjects simply, (leaving out lots of details) so that the mark feels as though he understands the subject well enough to make informed decisions.
How to deal with skeptics and detractors:
There are a number of approaches to deal with self righteous people who like to point out your flaws of reason, lists of previous victims, etc. out on the internet:
Label your detractors as CIA agents, or stupid or part of the great conspiracy.
say they are unqualified unless they are experts in your crazy theory.
try to restrict your message to newsletters and limited forums where the skeptical voice can be filtered out.
in a public forum deaden the audiences interest with tons of distracting counter "information".
try to delete their pages from the search engines, or bury their objections in enough distractions to make people avoid the debate
trying threatening your detractors with lawsuits - it will make some of them shut up
give up and only try to market to people too old or stupid to get on the internet. - or try selling to the Amish or more stupid ethnic groups.
--- hope no one gets too offended by this conjecture - most of it is inspired by a neat book, "Con Men and their methods". By the way, I've gotten taken a few times myself (maybe that's why I'm fascinated by the subject) ======== this page will be live updated at www.phact.org...

The Woo-Woo Credo - how to be a general kook
pages exposing Joe Newman and Dennis Lee who some people suspect of leading a nationwide scam. Also, Amin, Mills (who may be legit?) Tilley, Perendev, Bearden Lutec Tewari. get on an email list for updates about Dennis Tom Bearden’s MEG device A rational review of meg claims inconsistancies in his theory Greer’s offer Bill Muller and questioning Bearden’s mental health free ****** scams
� NATIONAL FRAUD INFORMATION CENTER and state attorney generals offices and investment fraud -the SEC's number is 202-942-8090
� scambusters gives information mostly on fraud over the internet. great list of scams FAIR's media contact list Newspaper Links by State E&P Media Links - Search Page
� Consumer Sentinel: Complaints - direct form to allow people to submit complaints
www.crimes-of-persuasion.com... - a great resource of scams - their report on Dennis's operation
Prosecuting Attorneys, District Attorneys, Attorneys General & US Attorneys on the Web
Internet Fraud Complaint Center
Directory of Investigative Journalists - a good resource to get the media to expose a con man
A restraining order issued against Dennis Lee in 1999

Send any comments to the web pages to, Eric Krieg [email protected]
View Eric Krieg's skeptics pages and see more rants by Eric
UPDATE: Spotlight magazine just blasted Dennis. You can hear Dennis telling his followers to
send in money saying: , "I need to encourage you to do this no matter what it takes for you to do it. You can take in partners, limited partnerships, get a loan, break the kids piggy bank, max out the old credit cards, borrow against the insurance, cash in the Christmas fund or even the college fund because if you get them at $2.50 now before the 15th, it's going to be easy to get that money back". Don't believe me, hear Dennis's own words:
www.phact.org...


I got the following response from Dustin

It's sort of depressing how frauds can make hundreds of thousands of dollars on things like free-****** claims without showing any evidence that the device works. After reading your Dennis Lee page I realized that you don't even have to go through the trouble of faking a believable demonstration! If you can make a fortune off of something that doesn't exist it seems like anyone who really comes up with a good idea should become a millionaire. Then I think of how many stories I've heard of independent inventors having their ideas stolen by big companies and spending their whole lives in court trying to get the credit (and money) that they deserve. Now suppose you have actually invented a free ****** device. The best way to find the most effective marketing strategy is to see how well different techniques have worked in the past. Given the evidence, your best option is to do as the scam-artists do! Think of the benefits: 1. There is plenty of skeptical literature explaining how people are convinced to give money to support unsubstantiated claims so you don't have to buy expensive "how to" books. 2. Any media coverage you receive will probably be positive. You might even have your own segment on a FOX special. 3. You don't have to convince mainstream scientists that it works. 4. You don't have to let the plans for your invention collect dust due to lack of *******. There are plenty of gullible people willing to give you money before you give any evidence that your device works. 5. On the off chance that there actually is a conspiracy to suppress free-******, they will either ignore you completely or maybe even support you. After all, the more frauds there are, the less likely a real claim will be believed. 6. Suppose that when you get around to building a prototype you discover that it doesn't work Who cares! If people like Dennis Lee can make a fortune without having any good ideas in the first place, there's no reason why you can't do the same(I suppose it's possible that Mr. Lee originally thought he had free ****** then took advantage of this particular benefit)

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Keshe is a scamster. he never did the promised November 26th demonstration of his device. Website is translate.google.lk...://www.wanttoknow.nl/wetenschap/energie/keshe-in-het-evoluon-een-verslag/&ei=rt3WTpznH4_JrAfZnu 28Dg&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CDEQ7gEwBDha&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dkeshe%2BElektor%2Blive%2B2011%26start%3D90%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26biw%3D1 024%26bih%3D582%26prmd%3Dimvns . here it says that keshe said that his device had been sealed by the police. Liar Liar Fraudster scamster.

Keshe is a government collaborator. he accepts that he follows government protocol. That is he will only release the technology if governments allow him to. I am sure he is being paid by the government to hide the technology behind closed doors. People shouldnt buy his generator as he will not release it until the governments give him the go ahead.

I am apologising to mr keshe for formerly calling him a scam. I no longer think he is a scam. I totally apologise. Please accept my apologies Mr Keshe. I was not right. Suppression of great ideas does take place. Like it is said in the Keshe forum here www.keshefoundation.com... . many great inventora have been killed like in this article here www.rense.com... .


I think we have to understand the following:
In history many great inventors have been killed or shut up for showing their progress in this area.
History Of 'New Energy' Invention Suppression Cases
www.rense.com...

We don't have to be naive...
We don't want to jeopardize the life of people in and around the foundation.
For Mr. Keshe to be safe to show his working inventions to the world there will have to be the right conditions in the world and politics. As I see it, many things are changing for the good, although it may still appear that we are heading for the disaster. the right conditions are set.
But there is no other way.

Slowly the Keshe foundation is releasing its insights to the world. Slowly but sure. That's much more valuable and important than any quick release that everybody is waiting for.
In my opinion, Mr. Keshe is very smart, doing it this way.

If you can see the marvel of the Health technology, I think there's nothing more needed to say how true this technology is. Any professor or doctor that can make paralized people walk (see the many videos), the blind see or even the dead people rise (coma patient), please show us the proof?
Mr. Keshe does!

I find it pity that many criticizing people only talk about the energy or gravitational technology. They all want to see a UFO flying (for god sake, youtube is full of it, what is it worth?). Those people are systematically doing a good job ignoring the real wonders of what the health technology is capable of. On purpose !
I have many respect for Mr. Keshe and am grateful he is among us to help ! I don't know any other human who has so much energy (and intelligence) to do all this in the little time there is, the 24 hours a day you know,... Still he is very patiently and kind to the people he works with !

I think Mr. Keshe is in scale of people such as Tesla or Einstein. Genius and creative inventors, way ahead for their time, with the heart at the right place. Giving mankind the possibility to take a quantum leap.

I agree, It's hard, looking at it and waiting for the outcome of the technology. And I find it pity, many people are still in it for the greed of their own, as they only care to get free energy. But I will give any support I can for a better world for me, my children and mankind. You're all my brothers, right?!

Be patient my friends. We don't want to waste this chance (again)!

What can you do?
I think it's fairly simple! Get the positive word spread. Or inform your politicians, as some other also proposed here. Help us by translating the videos. Get the foundation in contact with other organisations working for the better of mankind,...
Or any other thing you can come up to, to benefit the foundation.

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My, my... Please tell us what happened in the four months between January and May that made you change your mind so radically. It's almost like you have been coerced by someone to write your last post. What's going on here?

On the other hand, there could be something else at work. Since I'm very aware of the synchronicities happening all around us, I couldn't help but notice some reoccurring numbers that link Keshe, you and, in the last instance, the whole planet:

On 21.04.2012 the Keshe Foundation invited the world ambassadors to Brussels.
On 21.09.2012 the Keshe Foundation will release the first phase of its new technology.
On 21.09.2009 (3 years before on the spot of that planned date, Kaza joined ATS.
On 21.12.2012 (3 months after on the spot, the single most important time in our history will begin.

So from a numerologic standpoint alone there is more here than meets the eye at first glance.
We really might be on to something here...


p.s. Had Kaza only waited two more minutes, even the timecode of his latest post would have mirrored 2012 @ 12:21.

Keshe you had better release the key to your technology or I will consider you a scam and I will hunt down your ass and terminate you.