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Originally posted by Lynzer
I think the drug testing implies guilt by being poor, so I'm not sure I would agree with it. BUT - I have known of several situations over the years that go like this-> "single" mother getting food stamps, day care paid for, housing assistance, and welfare money, but she secretly lives with a man who deals drugs and/or has a job. I'm not sure I agree with that. My husband and I were working poor when we were young, but we got married and did not ask for assistance, and yes we struggled at times. It didn't seem right that these "welfare couples" got so much assistance and were actually better off than we were- and we were trying to make our way in life on our own with no assistance.
It seems out of balance that this goes on. Yet, I wouldn't want someone who truly does need the assistance to not get it.
Originally posted by wuforde
reply to post by GodIsPissed
Without being PC here most of the jobs that they could get would not fufilling enough for them.. It would be simple jobs, which they are better than that for.... Why work when you can stay home.
Originally posted by exile1981
Originally posted by Alxandro
Damn skippy!
I've had to submit to drug testing more than a few times when starting new jobs.
Why should welfare folks get a free ride? (No pun)
I recently tried to hire someone for my small business, good benefits, 23/hr to start lots of OT and travel expenses paid. I interviewed over 20 people that were on gov't assistance and when I told them that the company we do maintenance work on there sites for requires all of us to have a drug test. Each of those people said they couldn't pass and walked out of the interview. The 26th person interviewed agreed to the test and passed it. So one out of 26 people was not using an illegal substance, yup that's what I want my tax dollars to fund.
Originally posted by Immune
To put an end to the it cost to much argument check out the link
www.netdrugtest.com...
as low as 3 dollars a person for a basic test and in 5 minutes you have an answer no lab personnel to pay its on the spot 5 dollars per person test for 6 main drugs 3 test for the big 3 now if the state can pass out millions a year in assistance then they can pay the 3-5 dollars per adult to save them some cash it was said 3 percent failed the test in Florida well think of the money that saved them thats a whole lot honestly 3 percent of 58000 people on welfare www.politifact.com... thats 1700 people times that by about 1k a month in benefits for the year they are banned and tada the years drug testing payed for and everyone feels better because i passed a test to earn my money they should too.
i should note i am not anti-welfare and i am quite versed in the system due to my college education in human services and chemical dependency. welfare is great for those who need it due to situations out of their control but for those who depend on it trust me when i say its not much at all they do not thrive they survive.
Originally posted by AwakeinNM
C) Welfare should be given only to those who cannot work due to major disabilities and other reasons that prevent them from being a productive member of society. Being a lazy ass moron who blazed their days away as a teenager should not qualify. Women who splort out baby after baby, each from a different father should not qualify.
Gosh, what did these people do before there was welfare?
Originally posted by pistolerooo
If you really think about it Welfare is a PAYCHECK, you're paid for taking care of your children or you're paid to give money for someone to take care of you. I get a Paycheck for the work that I do for my Employer. My employer MAY drug test me, at anytime, because I cannot do my job if I am on drugs. Welfare recipients are NO DIFFERENT!!! If, I give you money to provide food and a roof over your children's heads how, can you do it while on drugs???? The logic sounds simple, you don't need a PHD to figure it out. Life is all about choices, do drugs = lose your children AND your meal ticket OR be responsible.
Originally posted by downtown436
I don't think there should be welfare.
Also, and more importantly, I don't think there should be drug testing.
So, no I don't support drug testing for welfare, it takes a waste of money, and makes an even bigger waste of money for one thing, and for another thing, you should be able to choose what substances you put in your body for any reason.
Originally posted by Darkrunner
Why not? I WORK for my money, some times 60-70 hours a week and I am drug tested regularly. Why should they NOT get drug tested when they are collecting tax payer money sitting at home?
Originally posted by JohnPhoenix
As an ex drug user, Yes, I support drug testing before handing out a welfare check.
In the past i used to buy a hardcore illegal drugs from dealers that lived in low rent housing. I know them, they way they live. They are all on some type of government assistance. They take the government money and buy drugs to sell, or if they get money cards that are only good for food, they sell the food for drugs and or drug money. Whatever the government gives you there is always a way to turn it into money or drugs.
Many of these people dont turn the government assistance into drugs or money but they use it for free or cheap housing so they don't have to work a job. Then they sell drugs on the side.
I support drug testing for all forms of government assistance. If the government is going to give you a hand out, it's only fair they know their handout is not being used for illegal purposes. There is nothing unconstitutional about this.edit on 11-11-2011 by JohnPhoenix because: sp
Originally posted by DZAG Wright
reply to post by PrimePorkchop
Ignorance at its finest....
Originally posted by PrimePorkchop
Originally posted by DZAG Wright
reply to post by PrimePorkchop
Ignorance at its finest....
Ignorance...riiiiiiight.
Funny thing about people like you - anyone who disagrees with you is dumb, and everyone who agrees is a righteous hero.
That, sir, is called narcissism.
If you truthfully believe that people who are on Welfare are there by no fault of their own, and that they should be allowed to blow their money on whatever they want and then use our money for food, then I say good day to you and leave you to believe whatever you want.
Just don't be surprised that when you grow up and get into the real world, people scoff at you for having such a narrow minded outlook on life.
Originally posted by AwakeinNM
Originally posted by VitriolAndAngst
It isn't remotely even Constitutional. It's treating people as a SUSPECT without probable cause.
Working people are randomly drug tested at all kinds of companies. Your assertion suggests THAT is unconstitutional as well. Yet it occurs.
Originally posted by DZAG Wright
Originally posted by PrimePorkchop
Originally posted by DZAG Wright
reply to post by PrimePorkchop
Ignorance at its finest....
Ignorance...riiiiiiight.
Funny thing about people like you - anyone who disagrees with you is dumb, and everyone who agrees is a righteous hero.
That, sir, is called narcissism.
If you truthfully believe that people who are on Welfare are there by no fault of their own, and that they should be allowed to blow their money on whatever they want and then use our money for food, then I say good day to you and leave you to believe whatever you want.
Just don't be surprised that when you grow up and get into the real world, people scoff at you for having such a narrow minded outlook on life.
Everyone on welfare isn't because of their own fault. Society, our society has let a LOT of people down. Yes, our SOCIETY, which is what we have lived in for the last 100 years or so. Gone are the days of the "Rugged man, pull yourself up by your bootstraps". Those days died when the country became so crowded that it's impossible to just move West, find a piece of land and build your own log cabin. Thus we live in cities and towns where there is less individual responsibility. We decided to share it as a society.
We let those people down, with help from them and we are reaping our actions. The only other solution is to gas chamber "eaters and breeders". Does that solution sound familiar? Like it or not, the people will eat and have, even if it means knocking you and your loved ones over the head and taking yours.
To avoid this as much as possible, our society decided to have welfare.
That's pretty simple....