IRAN has attacked no one in 100 yrs? How many countries has USA?? =L

reply to post by AlienStalker

Iran has its own form of a representative democracy, why do you feel that you can give them a superior system when you and I cannot control Washington DC.

What???? Who was it that declared the winner of the Iranian Presidential election ? I will grant that according to the people living in both Iran and the US nobody wants a war. Now the actual governments involved may be a different matter. I would dare say Iran is heavily involved in instigating unrest in the region. Before you get into a long tirade on the US 's part I am not denying them. I disagree with Slayer about China and Russia, I can see them using economic means of waging their part of any action against Iran I think Iran is being encouraged to play the rouge element. Some advances in nuclear weapons can be hastened with the right nations.... I get the feeling we are just seeing some more jockeying around and it will speed up as US forces leave Iraq. .

Let's not forget when the US shot down an Iranian airliner. en.m.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by mayabong


Adn an Andean mountain "hit" a Venezuelan airliner.

Demonize mountains.

Now.

reply to post by Chamberf=6




Not sure what you are trying to convey buddy

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by ignant

 

Yeah, seriously.

You're the one who made the claim that Iran hasn't attacked another country in 100 years. Parroting the statements made by the guy in the RT video you posted.

It isn't true.

Well let us add it up then.. You claim that Iran was backing fighters in Iraq. Lets just have a look at how many countires the USA has bombed in the time frame..

China 1945-46
Korea 1950-53
China 1950-53
Guatemala 1954
Indonesia 1958
Cuba 1959-60
Guatemala 1960
Belgian Congo 1964
Guatemala 1964
Dominican Republic 1965-66
Peru 1965
Laos 1964-73
Vietnam 1961-73
Cambodia 1969-70
Guatemala 1967-69
Lebanon 1982-84
Grenada 1983-84
Libya 1986
El Salvador 1981-92
Nicaragua 1981-90
Iran 1987-88
Libya 1989
Panama 1989-90
Iraq 1991
Kuwait 1991
Somalia 1992-94
Bosnia 1995
Iran 1998
Sudan 1998
Afghanistan 1998
Yugoslavia - Serbia 1999
Afghanistan 2001
Libya 2011

Now that is not including countries that America has interfered in without bombing.. With that including, wow this list would be huge...

reply to post by ignant


Actually Iran has attacked people, either in response or interests. Even now they are interested in a few islands in the Persian Gulf, owned by other nations. And one can imagine that their interest extends to desert stars like Dubai.

Furthermore, a nations history is not a confident view of its future. Cultures come and go all the time.

reply to post by purplemer


Oh look, you chose to view all history, involving wide different population numbers, and weapons of war.


Of course you ignore that, in war, numbers of death are meaningless. And that bombs today kill far more than many spears long ago. Which would technically make those ancient men worse, considering they actually had to go there to do it, versus some guy in Florida flying a drone.


War has no morality, no care, no rules. The goal is genocide, and the actions are directed to that goal by both sides. There are no good guys in war, just the side that will build schools in peace, and the side that will build weapons in peace.

Originally posted by dc4lifeskater

Originally posted by liejunkie01
reply to post by dc4lifeskater

 

You take what I said the wrong way I did not mean american citizens personally I meant the US government... I do agree that US citizens should not be able to just have any type of weapons they want or use them on what they want but we have laws for that already...

What I meant was the fact that American the Country has all the nukes they want, all the weapons you can imagine and can use them on whoever and whenever they want with little care of what anyone in the world thinks or really what most American citizens think...

America does not have "all the nukes they want" due to the non-proliferation treaty. They actually got rid of, or said they got rid of, a huge supply of nukes. Also we can't use them whenever and on whoever we want. If that was the fact we would be at war with the entire planet because of greed.
America used the nuke twice on Japan to STOP a war. We could have dropped thousands more and obliterated everyone. We didn't. USA is also in agreement with other countries who have the nuke to not use them. Since Japan we haven't. The reason we decide that Iran can't get the nuke is obvious. Not only do they harbor terrorists, their leader has openly stated that he wants to "wipe Israel off the map". If they develop a nuclear warhead it's not IF, but WHEN will they use it.
The world is a violent one... yes the USA is in a lot of wars but use your brain and imagine if they werent. There are extremists who want to kill YOU because of your lifestyle. They want to kill YOU because of your religious beliefs. They want to kill YOU because you're from the west. If we werent policing these countries there is no doubt that they would be on U.S. soil waging war on us.

reply to post by Gorman91

Oh look, you chose to view all history, involving wide different population numbers, and weapons of war.

No I simply listed the countries the USA has bombed directly...

reply to post by purplemer


Yes but without historical context. Which is everything. We have already earlier in this thread gone over how that gives the wrong impression.

But post away...

Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by purplemer

 

Yes but without historical context. Which is everything. We have already earlier in this thread gone over how that gives the wrong impression.

But post away...

The historical context matters not.. That is not what the OP was asking. O answered that question and you peeps are beating round the bush.. Forget the diversion tactics..
What impresion would you have it give. I could triple that list if I included the indirect attacks made by the CIA... Let us not glaze over the impression of war that is now watch on tv like video games.. In which the dead bodies seem to disappear and are never shown... The reality is far from different. So lets cut to the chase and relieve ourselves of the PR....

reply to post by projectvxn

TextIran's government is NOT a peaceful regime. Between proxy wars, funding and arming of extremists, and the belief that the Mahdi will return if and ONLY IF they destroy Israel, is enough to give one pause

LOL @ you clutching at straws. I offer you a direct challenge to list all the countries both America and Iran have attacked in the last hundred years.. As per the OP
Look as your history cupcake really there is NO WAY you are going to win... Really I could do this in my sleep.

Im ready and waiting...

Originally posted by purplemer
The historical context matters not.. That is not what the OP was asking. O answered that question and you peeps are beating round the bush.. Forget the diversion tactics..

So real history and contributing factors are irrelevant.

Ok I understand where you are coming from now.

Let us not glaze over the impression of war that is now watch on tv like video games.. In which the dead bodies seem to disappear and are never shown... The reality is far from different.

I know, I've been there.
Let's put your little toy morality bat away and talk like adults at the grown up table.

Originally posted by Chamberf=6
reply to post by AlienStalker

 

So they didn't attack the Iraqi Kurds?

So they didn't bomb a US ship?

Etc.

Hmm.

I think the OP was refering to attacking countires... If you want to use indirect attacks I can ration you a 20/1 list easy..

reply to post by SLAYER69

So real history and contributing factors are irrelevant.

Sorry I am not intersted in your excuses I am sticking to the facts. I shall lay them out again as per the OP...

Direct Bombing Missions by America...


China 1945-46
Korea 1950-53
China 1950-53
Guatemala 1954
Indonesia 1958
Cuba 1959-60
Guatemala 1960
Belgian Congo 1964
Guatemala 1964
Dominican Republic 1965-66
Peru 1965
Laos 1964-73
Vietnam 1961-73
Cambodia 1969-70
Guatemala 1967-69
Lebanon 1982-84
Grenada 1983-84
Libya 1986
El Salvador 1981-92
Nicaragua 1981-90
Iran 1987-88
Libya 1989
Panama 1989-90
Iraq 1991
Kuwait 1991
Somalia 1992-94
Bosnia 1995
Iran 1998
Sudan 1998
Afghanistan 1998
Yugoslavia - Serbia 1999
Afghanistan 2001
Libya 2011

Direct bombing missions by Iran...0

So whilst refraining from excuse if you have any further particulars to add. Please feel free to..My point is clearly concluded and you last statement added nothing of substance. Nor did it address the point in issue.

reply to post by purplemer


Good job - with this post.

A monumental contribution.

reply to post by purplemer






not the picture though, and indeed no historical context.

Historical context is everything. See I'd have no problem nuclear bombing nazi Germany for 50 years and more and destroying 75% of Germans in Europe. When nations elect war hawks whom see no purpose but to kill, I have no choice but the greet them with similar mindsets.

That's the difference then. I'd destroy whole nations in war for the goal of building schools over their corpses.

When war is not occurring peace is the highest goal.

When peace is ended, war begins.

In war, genocide is the goal. I have no problem with body counts, so long victory occurs.

reply to post by BurningSpearess


No this is english that's completely sick & tired of the damn middle east. My whole life 48 yrs , all I have ever head or seen is feces about the middle east. When I was a kid I would sit every night and watch Walter Cronkite talk about the war dead in Vietnam and the turmoil in the middle east. And how bad it was for Israel.

What's changed? Absolutley nothing. New age, same old feces. As far as what other people do in their countries is their damn business. If you all want to kill each other with secular violence, why should I care? I don't. I care that young American men & women are dieing at a rapid rate, for people who just don't give a feces.

I care that my tax dollars support the oppressive Government of Israel..And it should'nt. I care that Israel ignores the IAEA but Iran is supposed to submit to it's demands. Sort of a bullish double standard huh.

Just all together flat out, can't stand it anymore, sick & tired to death of hearing about the Middle East and the problems there. Prior to Israel we had no enemies in the middles east, now we have no friend in the Middle East.

Iran has a right to do whatever they want. We have nuclear, why can't they? Accusing one is one thing. But with Iran it's like "Minority Report", we can't convict them for a crime that has yet to been commited... And that is just what's happening.. And OP was correct..... Thanks for the "young man comment" And I knew what your sig was within 2 minutes... I have to go to bed now, as I am old..

reply to post by Gorman91



Who cares what you think about why we should go to war. You are flipping around like a fish outisde water. Your opinion matters not here and is off topic. Please stick to the facts in question.

Direct bombing by America:
China 1945-46
Korea 1950-53
China 1950-53
Guatemala 1954
Indonesia 1958
Cuba 1959-60
Guatemala 1960
Belgian Congo 1964
Guatemala 1964
Dominican Republic 1965-66
Peru 1965
Laos 1964-73
Vietnam 1961-73
Cambodia 1969-70
Guatemala 1967-69
Lebanon 1982-84
Grenada 1983-84
Libya 1986
El Salvador 1981-92
Nicaragua 1981-90
Iran 1987-88
Libya 1989
Panama 1989-90
Iraq 1991
Kuwait 1991
Somalia 1992-94
Bosnia 1995
Iran 1998
Sudan 1998
Afghanistan 1998
Yugoslavia - Serbia 1999
Afghanistan 2001
Libya 2011

Direct bombing missions by Iran...0

If you have a comment of relevance to this post please continue. Otherwise please dont reply to me...