The Truth Is Viral - Libya: The Real Story

Originally posted by bluemirage5

Originally posted by MGadAllah
Is it a masonic agenda again to make a weak middle east to make way for big Israel in the very near future!?

Either that or they will throw Israel under a bus....or give it a go.....and THAT's where the Globalists are going to make the biggest mistake of their lives!

Well done....you are very much well awake!

You mean that I am right or wrong?

Originally posted by MGadAllah

Originally posted by bluemirage5

Originally posted by MGadAllah
Is it a masonic agenda again to make a weak middle east to make way for big Israel in the very near future!?

Either that or they will throw Israel under a bus....or give it a go.....and THAT's where the Globalists are going to make the biggest mistake of their lives!

Well done....you are very much well awake!

You mean that I am right or wrong?

you are right-wrong because nobody knows what the freak is going on. we're all guessing. this is the thing: they threw the german jews under the bus, the german christians under the bus, the russian jews under the bus, the russian christians, various atheists, and muslims, under the bus. these guys don't care what your religion is or isn't. they have some other agenda. we're all trying to figure out what exactly it is, but the super state israel some believe is going to come about, is just as likely to end up under the bus if it doesn't finalize the deal, whatever that deal happens to be! IOTW, who knows the mind of a mad man other than the mad man? (and does he even know himself?)

Infighting between illuminati. There can be only one.

Excuse me, once again (since my post was kindly ignored) - Is there a problem with the video, I keep getting an error that it is no longer available.

Is this correct?

Originally posted by torqpoc
Excuse me, once again (since my post was kindly ignored) - Is there a problem with the video, I keep getting an error that it is no longer available.

Is this correct?

no it's not correct.
i just checked and it's working.

Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by AboveTopSecret.com

 

Good show as always but I do have a few questions.

#1 - Where did you obtain the information in the begining regarding free housing, the $500 and $50k amounts, the free elctricity etc? Where did you obtain the information regarding the education stats? Health care stats? Were they from Libyan sources / UN sources / US Department of State sources? CIA sources?

How come you give the stats after saying the MSM is lying only to state even if its propoganda and then going into the pipeline project?

I preempted the expected "propaganda" comments because of my original source of information: a propaganda video. Yes, I saw the video set to some funky music of Gadaffi rollin' through the hood with this list of benefits in it. Interesting I thought, but was it true? So I started where all knowledge starts: Wikipedia.

From 1977 onward, per capita income in the country rose to more than US $11,000, the fifth-highest in Africa, while the Human Development Index became the highest in Africa and greater than that of Saudi Arabia. This was achieved without borrowing any foreign loans, keeping Libya debt-free. In addition, the country's literacy rate rose from 10% to 90%, life expectancy rose from 57 to 77 years, equal rights were established for women and black people,[dubious – discuss] employment opportunities were established for migrant workers, and welfare systems were introduced that allowed access to free education, free healthcare, and financial assistance for housing. The Great Manmade River was also built to allow free access to fresh water across large parts of the country. In addition, financial support was provided for university scholarships and employment programs.

As you can see by the above quote lifted off of the Wiki entry on Wikipedia, most of the answers to your questions lie within. However, only an idiot would rely solely on Wikipedia for knowledge, so I followed the links to the source documents at the bottom of the page and they all lead to reputable sources.

I'm not a financial wizard by any stretch of the imagination. By the time I got my head wrapped around QE1 it was time for QE2. But since you specifically referred to Libyan debt, I'll address that by clarifying that according to Wiki and the article you linked about the Russian deal, the banks were kept out of it. I don't see the normal loan-for-interest-on-principle thing going on, so that's what I meant.

Gadaffi did put a lot of money in his pocket, there is no denying that. Still, he spent a greater portion of his country's wealth building up infrastructure than his contemporaries in the Arab world. From what I can see, Gadaffi wasn't so enamored with the things money can buy - his children were though - as he was with his reputation and legacy. The dude wanted to be the king of Africa, bringing all of the countries together into a republic like the 50 sovereign nations that make up the United States. Of course his view was Afrocentric, as it should be. Why should we expect every country in the world to think that what's best for us would be best for them? I may not like the things that happen in some countries, but hey... I don't have to live there.

WMDs in Iraq? No, sorry. A bunch of raw yellowcake and precursor chemicals do not a WMD program make. IMO, Saddam sent all of his WMDs to Syria after the Gulf War. But he had that Middle Eastern, "We'll make you swim in your own blood" bravado going on - just like Ahmadinejad is doing now - and he didn't want to admit that his weapons were gone. Saddam felt that Iran might attack, or that there would be an internal uprising, specifically from the Kurds, if they thought he was devoid of WMDs. So he kept up the bravado; it was his own big mouth that convinced the world he was a threat; the MSM just had to repeat what he said.

Regarding the short sound bites, I'm getting flack for the videos being long as it is. I'm going to have to figure out some way to bring sourced info into the mix while at the same time shortening them. It's not an easy job. As you can see, it took 24 minutes to tell this story and I didn't include a LOT of material. I saved some of the interview with NATO for the Iran story. I'm going to have to assume that my audience - ATS - is well educated enough to understand the context of these historical clips.

Lastly, regarding point seven; Gadaffi was a dictator, I never said he wasn't. He was good to his people as long as they went along with the program, but if they got out of line then yeah he was brutal. Unfortunately, that is the only way to get things done in the Middle East. They NEED a strong hand at the helm or their societies will unravel into chaos. (No space left. Gonna end here)

reply to post by undo


Thank you very much Undo!

I'll have to fix whatever is broken my end then, I would like to watch this video.

Regards,
T

Xcath - One last thing:

Despite having just voted to suspend Libya from its ranks (to be finalized by the UNGA tomorrow), the UN Human Rights Council, according to the agenda of its current session, is planning to “consider and adopt the final outcome of the review of the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya.” According to the council’s timetable, the lengthy report hailing Libya’s human rights record will be presented on March 18, and then adopted by the council at the end of the month. The report, which the UN has published on the council website, is the outcome of a recent session that was meant to review Libya’s human rights record. UNwatch

At the same time that Amnesty International - which files a complaint every time someone gets a hangnail and isn't medivaced to the nearest trauma unit - was ragging on Gadaffi, the UN was about to issue a report praising his improvements in human rights. See the report was prepared BEFORE TPBT turned against Gadaffi. One minute he's getting praised for his record, and the next minute he's a monster - go figure.

reply to post by MGadAllah


It means that you are paying attention and there IS some truth to your comment

reply to post by jcord


There IS indeed infighting among the Illuminati....and you better believe it!

For anyone interested in what Amnesty International is saying about Libya's NEW government... Here you go.

Since late August, armed militia have arrested and detained as many as 2,500 people in Tripoli and al-Zawiya.

The organization said detainees were almost always held without legal orders and mostly without the involvement of the General Prosecution. They were held by local councils, local military council or armed brigades – far from the oversight of the Ministry of Justice.

Approximately 300 prisoners were interviewed by Amnesty International in August and September. None had been shown any kind of arrest warrant and many were effectively abducted from their homes by unidentified captors carrying out raids of suspected al-Gaddafi fighters or loyalists.

At least two guards - in separate detention facilities - admitted to Amnesty International that they beat detainees in order to extract “confessions” more quickly.

The organization found a wooden stick and rope, and a rubber hose, of the kind that could be used to beat detainees, including on the soles of their feet - a torture method known as falaqa - on a detention centre floor.

In one detention centre they heard the sound of whipping and screams from a nearby cell.

The organization said that detainees appear to suffer beatings and torture particularly at the start of their detention, being given a "welcome" on arrival.

Sub-Saharan Africans suspected of being mercenaries made up between a third and a half of those detained. Some have been released after no evidence was found to link them to fighting.

A man from Niger, initially presented to Amnesty International as a "mercenary and killer", broke down and explained that he had "confessed" after being beaten nearly continuously for two days. He denied being involved in fighting.

Black Libyans - particularly from the Tawargha region, which was a base for al-Gaddafi forces in their efforts to regain control of Misratah - are also particularly vulnerable. Dozens of Tawarghans have been taken from their homes, checkpoints, and even hospitals.

The organization also found that children have been held together with adults and women detainees have been supervised by male guards.

A little Obama-style change for Libya: Out of the frying pan and into the fire.

reply to post by OldCorp


Re the NTC members of Libya......regarding Ahmed Al-Abbar whose photo remains a mystery, from what I understand are in fear of their lives and for their families......

relation to?

www.libyanet.com...

Hello Mr. Powell and thank you for the video, it was most interesting.

A few questions arise however that I would like to discuss, with you or any other member of ATS.

So your idea is that there was no oppression in Libya during Gadhaffi? Maybe they had all those benefits you mentioned but did they have free elections or free press? What happened to critics of the (former) regime?
Did you know that private enterprise was forbidden under Gadhaffi?
I think that even though the situation under the former regime maybe wasn't as crappy as western media wanted it to look like it sure wasn't as rosy as you like it to have been either.

The information that Special Forces was on the ground in Libya where did you get that from? Would be nice with a source to back that up. It seemed to me that the rebels were pretty damn lousy at fighting. Most of them seemed like regular people that suddenly had a rifle in their hands, probably for the first time.

I really shouldn't get into details like this, but was that really cluster munitions? My doubts come from the fact that cluster bombs aren't used, conventionally, when attacking urban areas but more often when taking on vehicles in open terrain. I might be wrong however, would be nice to hear from an expert (fighter pilot). Also the detonation looks more like that of a phosphorous charge that from a cluster bomb (that usually do not have one intense detonation but numerous smaller ones).
No doubt thought that many civilians did pay with their lives due to NATO bombs, something that could never be tolerated.

The setting up of a central bank and a state oil company maybe seems a bit fishy. However, we must remember that both the state oil industry and banking business, plus a lot of other central institutions were under the direct control of the Gadhaffi family, as in 100% ownership. Maybe these new institutions were set up to quickly cover for the massive vacuum that would occur in their wake? No oil company and no bank means no money for the people. Is this really so unthinkable?

For future presentations, I would like to see more sources. I know I already said that, but things like "some people I know" really chimes bad together with basic source criticism. I hope you get me right here; I just want to help you improve your already good work.

To finish this reply off, I have one more thing that really caught my attention: the death of Moammar Gadhaffi.
You said that the footage of alleged rebel soldiers forcing a POW to eat human flesh. This is of course highly disturbing and disgusting but we shall not make it seem like the forces under the former regime was any better. Did you hear about the rape-commandos that were fed viagra and sent out in the streets to sexually violate women on a large scale, indiscriminately? Do you think they stuck to the adults and didn't touch young little girls? Think again. Brutality of extreme proportions were on both sides and just as inhumane and horrible.
But on the death of the ex-dictator himself, did the US people not celebrate when Bin Laden was assassinated? Didn't the same population cheer their troops on as they went to Iraq, at least during the first two wars? Or the campaign in Afghanistan? Killing Talibans, hasn't and isn't that a part of the same sick humour?
I think you are generalising in this question too much.

The oil-for-euro commection has always been one of my favourite topics during the last five or so years and I don't think that one could dig too deep in that issue. We really have to keep our eyes on what is going on with that.

Anyway, thanks for a nice vid and I hope to see more of them coming.
If you or anyone else would like, please visit my very much related thread:
Libya: Security & Sovereignty (UN Resolution 1973)
Sorry for my shameless spamming; I hope you know it is all with good intent!

Show me one nation that has free and open press!

Private enterprise was not forbidden by Ghaddafi, only foreign ownership!

Special forces on the ground included NATO and Qataries, I believe there were more from other Arab countries. This was confirmed by many legit sources.

Those from the former regrime did NOT commit the kind of atrocities like feeding the raw flesh of a dead corpse to enemy prisoners.

The viagra nonsense is just that.

reply to post by Raud


Hi Raud. You know, Google is your friend. I typed in "US Special Forces in Libya" and this popped up:



That's just one example, aside from the numerous newspaper articles and admissions of involvement by the countries; like this one from CNN.

Your other questions have already been addressed in this thread. Thank you for watching.

Originally posted by bluemirage5


Show me one nation that has free and open press!

Private enterprise was not forbidden by Ghaddafi, only foreign ownership!

Special forces on the ground included NATO and Qataries, I believe there were more from other Arab countries. This was confirmed by many legit sources.

Those from the former regrime did NOT commit the kind of atrocities like feeding the raw flesh of a dead corpse to enemy prisoners.

The viagra nonsense is just that.

So...I am just to take your word for all that?
Sorry mate, but my question was very much that of what sources was being used. You provided none.

Free press is a big problem but one could start with the possibility to print papers, broadcast television and radio transmissions and host websites outside the direct influence of state monopoly. And not getting thrown in jail for saying your ideas. How is that for a starter?

I should investigate more in the privet ownership-question before I comment that any further.

What says that the rape-commando isn't true but the corpse-eating is? Because it was on a video featured on ATS?

I know that world better than I ever wanted to....and you better believe it.

Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by jcord

 

There IS indeed infighting among the Illuminati....and you better believe it!

reply to post by OldCorp


Hi there and thank you for your reply!

Thank you for the CNN link. I do believe that there were some sort of ground force assistance in Libya so maybe my initial questioning did come off a bit wrong to begin with.
I think however that this information should have been sourced-presented in the video to begin with. But, whatever. Next time maybe?

The YT-vid didn't tell me much though. Those guys could as well have been part of the camera team.

What is interesting here is the fact that ground troop presence is against the R2P-agreement with the League of Arab Nations.

reply to post by Raud


Would it help you if I said even in Egypt, foreign ownership is not allowed, you'll find that in all Arab nations ! In Israel, a foreigner can own a business but they are not allowed to purchase land assets unless they are Jewish.

Perhaps thats what we should be doing, foreign ownership of land and businesses should only be 49%.

Well, until you come up with solid proof as OldCorp has, I'm not believing the viagra nonsense.

Simply amazing.

If they do this to other nations how will we ever save our republic?

Could OWS be part of a destabilizing plan here in America?

I think so....

Dark days are Ahead my friends.