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Originally posted by OldCorp
reply to post by godfather420
No it was not a dog, it was a human being. The clip I showed was clearly a hand being bitten into. There were so many terrible images I wanted to show - and planned to show - but even I must abide by the T&C of ATS; I'm not a special case in any regard, just a member like yourself sharing what I know.
Originally posted by Regenstorm
Originally posted by arbiture
reply to post by AboveTopSecret.com
It seems "The CIA" gets blamed for everything, and credit for nothing. While some of their actions have been down right stupid, opportunistic and just plain silly, some have not. The effective stuff one never gets credit for. As for identification of Al Qaeda as an operator in getting rid of Kadafi (never knew how to spell that name, at least now won't have to) and the general over through of the government there, I don't buy it, because it makes no sense. Many of the players are well known, like NATO. The UK was a major player, along with several other NATO members. France who is not even in NATO but has an independent deterrent and C&C structure. We (NATO) and France do cooperate in a number of areas however. I need a lot more then a contrived video which anyone can put together to consider that as likely.
The CIA is just the puppet/executing department of TPTB, just like most governments and other institutions.
Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by OldCorp
Excellant video, well done, however, I think you've just scrapped the top of the surface re the Qataries and Al Qaeda figures.
How the hell our western Govts (including here in Australia) support this new regrime in Libya is mind boggling....what the hell is going through their heads? What kind of people are leading our Govts? Makes my stomach crawl when I heard Juliar Gillard come right out on state TV in support of this new regrime in Libya, next minute she's kissing up to Obama at the G20 meeting.
So who's the next ally and friend going to found in a pot hole? No nation anywhere in the Middle East is going to be left untouched.
$5.884 billion (31 December 2009 est.)
$6.386 billion (31 December 2010 est.)
Iraq says it will no longer accept dollars for oil because it does not want to deal "in the currency of the enemy."
The switch to euros would cost the U.N. a small fortune in accounting-paperwork changes. It would also reduce the interest earnings and reparations payments that Iraq is making for damage it caused during the Gulf War, a shortfall the Iraqis would have to make up.
The move hurts Iraq, the U.N. and the countries receiving reparations. So why is Saddam doing it? Diplomatic sources say switching to the euro will favor European suppliers over U.S. ones in competing for Iraqi contracts, and the p.r. boost that Baghdad would probably get in Europe would be another plus.
Originally posted by smurfy
Originally posted by arbiture
reply to post by AboveTopSecret.com
"As for identification of Al Qaeda as an operator in getting rid of Kadafi (never knew how to spell that name, at least now won't have to) and the general over through of the government there, I don't buy it, because it makes no sense."
Well Bobby gave the names of two Al Qaeda members, who are now prominent in the new leadership, so if you don't buy it, at least check them out that is first base, and yes, I am endeavouring to do the same.edit on 9-11-2011 by smurfy because: Text.
Originally posted by OldCorp
reply to post by Xcathdra
A well crafted post like that deserves a response in kind. I shall tackle it first thing tomorrow Xcath.
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Libya boasts Africa's largest proven oil reserves and produced 1.6 million barrels daily before the anti-Gadhafi revolt erupted in mid-February. Last year, Libya raked in $40 billion from oil and gas exports — a fortune from which many Libyans say they've seen little benefit.
Libya expert Ronald Bruce St John said Gadhafi's regime wasted money over the years in countless ways: Spending lavishly on ill-designed building projects; stocking unsustainable arsenals; and bankrolling the lavish lifestyles of Gadhafi's family members and associates.
At the same time, the regime failed to invest in education, develop the economy and build strong communications and transportation infrastructure.
"This is the major development failure of the Gadhafi regime," he said.
Before the uprising, Libya ranked 53 out of 169 countries in the United Nations Human Development Index, just behind Uruguay, Palau and Cuba, countries with no significant oil wealth. Most Gulf Arab nations ranked higher, with per capita incomes more than twice as high — though Libya slipped in ahead of oil giant Saudi Arabia because of a longer life expectancy and longer schooling, despite the kingdom's higher per capita income.
Even in the relatively affluent coastal cities where most Libyans live, residents bemoan their bumpy roads, bad schools and poor infrastructure.
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In the end, they didn't search the home, though a commander told the angry men standing at the door they'd have to give up their guns and not fly Gadhafi's flag.
"That flag has been there 20 years, so why should we take it down now?" one replied. "In this house, we still love Moammar."
Awidat, the military council head, said the fighters planned to chip away at the remaining support for Gadhafi by bringing aid. Once the villages are secure, he said, the fighters will truck in gasoline, food and medicine.
The aid is badly needed — as is longer term development.
Abdel-Qadir Hussein, a high school teacher in the 3,000-person town of Tarut, said plumbing was only installed in part of the town last year and that the local clinic hadn't had a doctor in years, forcing locals to drive long distances for medical care.
Still he said, only about half the town supported the revolution — something the arrival of services could change.
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