Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
And this is how the abortion debate goes everytime when argued from the standpoint of biology. It begins with pro-choicers adamentaly declaring that
a fetus isn't "alive",
Really? I don't recall anybody here arguing that a fetus wasn't alive. The point was, and always has been, that a fertilized egg is not the same as
a human being. Who says a fetus wasn't alive?
I only deal with facts and logic.
And yet you refuse to deal with this important fact. It is the woman that get takes on the pregnancy, as nature intends it. During her time in
pregnacy, she has full control over what she does with her body. During pregnancy, her body is still her own. What she eats, what she drinks, will
effect that fertilized egg. She takes on the pain, she takes on the ownership, that fertilized egg and fetus feeds off what she does, it is in her
body, this is a fact. In the end, it is her choice and control over what she does with her body. What moral or ethical standards you have, or what
facts you have to present for 'rights' concerning that fertilized egg doesn't change the fact that it is her body, and her body to do with.
Establishing laws will not change the control she has over her body and over her own pregnancy. This is a fact you seem to continously brush off.
We can do this all day, we really can. You can go on about facts, about what rights fertilized eggs 'should' have, and I can simply say, it's still
her body, it's still her decision, it's still her control as nature has given her, irregardless of the morals, laws or ethics.
The facts tell me that life begins at fertilization/conception...and logic prevents me from trying to alter that statement by commiting a
fallacy to re-define the assertion.
So you have conceded that a fetus is a human life. Now can I ask you WHY you feel you have to declare it as not being a "real human"?
I already explained this in my previous post. A fertilized egg is dependent on one core host, it is incapable of awareness or thinking. A fertilized
egg may be alive, but so is bacteria, viruses, sperm and so forth. A fertilized egg may be the beginning of human development, but that doesn't make
it a living human being, the circumstances surrounding fertilized eggs are vastly different from the circumstances involving you and me.
The reality of life ain't pritty, and the fact is, there are a fair amount of fertilized eggs that die, that cease to exist, for those fertilized
eggs that continue on to develop into human beings. Nature doesn't treat a fertilized egg of a human any differently from that of any other creature.
It is estimated that more than of fertilized eggs are spontanously aborted, it's just yet another reality. Human beings are more than just genes or
You continue to try to steer the debate to ethics, morals, to your own 'facts' on what is a humanbeing, when at core the argument is about the
choice in the matter. As I stated before, and as you continue to ignore, you cannot expect to force your standards and views, you ideas of what is
fact, to prevent abortion from happening. It doesn't change the control the woman has over that fundamental decision, it doesn't change the fact
this is still her body.
If you are ok with abortion, why can't you say you are ok with killing human beings that don't meet your criteria of humans that deserve the
right to life?
I don't like abortions, not all pro-choicers like the reality of abortions, infact those who do are in a small minority. This is a common mistake
that pro-lifers make about pro-choicers, they assume that we all just love the idea with abortions when that is often not the case. I would not choose
abortion, it is a sad way to end what could potentially become a great human being, but I can sympathize and understand the decision that some woman,
those of unspeakable victims of crimes, have to make over this matter. In contrast, I would be disgusted at this idea that you'd put further
punishment and demonise a woman, as the result of an unspeakable crime, making the decision of abortion. To me, you're no better than the rapist or
molester that did what he did to her.
It's their bodies in the end, it is not my business, I am not the one undertaking that pregnancy, the pain, I am not their husband, or relative. I
have no right to force my views or control what they can't or can do with their bodies. Neither has nature given me the ability to make that decision
for them. Pregnant women are not barbie dolls.
Why must you try to re-define what it is to be "human
Since when was a fertilized egg conclusively defined as a human being?