Challenge for Those who are against #OWS!

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1

1. Why do you stand against this movement?
2. What would you like to see in this movement?
3. Have you ever attended an Occupy event?
4. Where do you see this nation and planet in 10 years time?
5. What stances that this movement has adopted are you against and please specify a reason?

I'll bite:

1. Because it's unorganized, and unfocused. Plus, their stance is against corporations, banks, and investment houses, instead of against government where it should be.

2. I'd like to see the focus switch to government.

3. No, but because I haven't had time, unfortunately. I live about 2 hours from Dallas and would like to see for myself, but I just haven't had the time yet.

4. It depends on if Libertarians get major seats in Congress or the presidency. If it stays Republocrat, we're screwed.

5. Education from K-12 is a right. After that you're on your own. That's called being an adult. Our government should take care of people from 0-18 and 65-death. Between those ages, have a ball, be productive, and don't screw up, because you're on your own. Force is to never be tolerated under any circumstances. This includes forcing to someone to give someone else their money or labor. Extortion is illegal, unless the government does it. Then it's "humanitarian aid". There are others, but that's it for now.

/TOA

reply to post by TheImmaculateD1

If what other people think concerns you then you have lost your way already,the question's are redundent,the OWS people make up almost nothing of the population of this country and with all the press the OWS movement is getting none of you seem to know what you stand for or the direction you are going, thats not even the negative press.

The only thing I want to see the OWS do is give the parks back to the people they clam to be demonstrating for.At this point in the so called movement you all look like "fools",but then again some people will do anything for attention.

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by peck420

 

Exile,
People would love to be able to go to work but the sad reality is that most kids coming fresh out of college really have no real world experience in how things go and are and makes that not so attractive to a potential employer as I'd rather hire the 40something seasoned vet in the game then some kid who doesn't know what's good.
Reminds me of the report from South State (In NJ we refer to the southern 1/3 as this using the 1990 area code maps as boundaries!) where this one 40something female has filled out somewhere north of 7,000 applications between 07 - 11 and only after being featured in a CNN special one afternoon did she land a gig! That's how hard it is!

Yes but by the same token I've tried to hire young people for a job that pays good money (23/hr) and I had to go with a senior citizen as the first 25 applicants all admitted they couldn't pass a drug test which is a requirement of the company mine is contracted to. So I understand it's hard to get your foot in the door but shouldn't they be willing to give up drugs to increase there chances of employement? Because of liability issues almost every company does drug testing for employement.

I remeber trying to hire back in early 2000 a junior draftsmen for by company. We were paying 30K/yr back then which was good money in those days (now with inflation it stinks) but it was a good wage and I was paying myself 48k per year as the boss. I interviewed 6 young kids who all though that as a recent grad from the tech school they should be making 100k per year. I found one eventually who knew what the going rate was and didn't demand 100k for a junior position.

I think part of the problem is that the young people come out of school and figure they should make enough to get a mcmansion and a new car and lots of stuff on day one of the job. They don't understand that you need to build up experience and years before you can make the big $$. I think the universities give them very unrealistic expectations.

reply to post by TheImmaculateD1


"Quiet,
Where did you read about bashing the homeless? LMK what's good so I can email them to correct it! Fairness is Lindsay Lohan compared to Joe Public She drives DUI and causes an accident and gets a slap on the wrist while he gets his license yanked for a a couple years, jailed for a year with fines north of $3,000 so as far as I'm concerned treason committed by the banks is a very serious crime yet they walk while you or I would never see freedom again! What the 1% has done in comparison makes those incidents seem minute any very tiny,
We stand against buying a vote, we stand against the overwhelming and broadsweeping power, reach and authourity an extremely small contingent of companies are getting which should be disturbing to anyone who is a human! "

Before we begin...When I say Liberal or Conservative I am not speaking about a political party. JFK was conservative by today's standards.

What he heck are you ranting about? I think the statements in my post were quite easy to understand. Lindsay Lohan? Where did you pull THAT from? Of course she should be treated the same as anyone else! I was saying that YOU are allowed to break the laws, cause problems for hardworking honest people and as of yet have not been put in jail. I would have been tossed in the clink if I did what YOU are doing! But the Press loves you so no jail time for abhorrent disregard for law and order.

I completely agree with you regarding the major corporations but they didn't have this power and influence under conservative oversight. It started with liberals back during the great depression and has been fought against tooth and nail by conservatives ever since. Freddy Mac and Fanny Mae were created by liberals and overseen by liberals. Barney Frank refused to allow greater oversight because he wanted everyone to have a home (no matter what the cost would be to the nation). Bush 2.0 was a wussy and let it continue.

Now General Electric is heralded as the finest example by the current Administration? The company paid ZERO taxes and the President of these United States loves them? What a joke!

How about a stimulus that is ZERO percent to government institutions and 100% to the Canadian pipeline of friendly oil into the USA?

reply to post by exile1981


Wow! Thank you for sharing this. I'm an "old guy" now and knowing that passing a drug test is a big deal? Well it makes me feel better about my future.

reply to post by Battleline


No demands, no requests, no goals, no nothing huh? Then what is this? :

Goals :
www.philly.com...

Demands/Requests :
occupywallst.org...

Declaration of the Occupation of New York City Most encampments have already adopted this.
www.nycga.net...

reply to post by QuietBeige


You and I just brought up both the political and celebritial aspects cohesively that both are ran by the same exact group and who's got our Govt by the "boys" in order to force it's hand in case you haven't figured it out by now and they are steadfast, firm and solid on this stance and flat out refusing to do a thing for anyone if they don't get their way. Classic and primo example of something I like to call, "Little Kid Games" and has all the hallmarks of a economic temper tantrum of epic proportions.

We are and have reached the tipping point as which way we all fall is up to what occurs now. This is one of the few things that everyone should be focusing in on as this period now is very crucial as what is done in the next decade or two will affect the planet in some way for the next 1,000 as we must be willing to put petty differences aside to work together as a question we all should be hard at work trying to answer soon is "What kind of future for mankind and Mother Earth do we envision?"! Nothing else matters. Distractions, diversions are time wasters, the future is relying on us today to tip the tide in their (our) favour completely. We all talk yap on those who lived a century ago for the crud so why have those 100 years from now be able to do the same? Let's have them looking at us all alive today as people to admire and respect and someone to aspire to. Why should each century get worse then the previous? This cycle must end or else it'll signify and bring forth our demise!

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by Battleline

 

No demands, no requests, no goals, no nothing huh? Then what is this? :

Goals :
www.philly.com...

Demands/Requests :
occupywallst.org...

Declaration of the Occupation of New York City Most encampments have already adopted this.
www.nycga.net...

As usual you are spinning.Sure there are demands ,request and goal's but witch one do we follow today?witch group do we follow today?witch anarchist or America hater do we follow today?Show me a mentality is this childish campout that dictates direction for the whiole movement.You are fragmented,just like the country and you defend that??

You make a great example of what the real problem is in this country,you are damn sure not part of a solution.

Here's some more dirt on the leftist radical nature of OWS

blog.heritage.org...

Shortly after the Occupy Wall Street protests gained national attention, donations from supporters began pouring in. Lacking the infrastructure to manage the hundreds of thousands of dollars reportedly donated, the protest group enlisted the services of a non-profit organization called the Alliance for Global Justice.

The AFGJ provides “grassroots” support for organizations that pursue “a socially, ecologically and economically just world,” according to its website. Among its initiatives are efforts to encourage American soldiers to desert and an anti-George Bush organization founded by members of the Revolutionary Communist Party.

The organization’s president, Katherine Hoyt, leads the Alliance’s Nicaragua Network program, which supports the country’s Marxist Sandinista political party – and was founded for the explicit purpose of overthrowing the country’s government. Hoyt previously worked for the Sandinista government, and has written numerous scholarly works lauding the group. The Sandinistas ruled from 1979 to 1990. Their leader, Daniel Ortega, was elected again in 2006.

Given the radical nature of many of its projects, it is perhaps unsurprising that the Alliance receives money from a host of progressive individuals and organizations. Chief among them is George Soros’s Open Society Institute, which has given the group $100,000.

more fun fun fun

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


To those that know the truth I apologize for re-posting this constantly but apparently the message seems to get lost because certain nameless individuals cannot see the truth for themselves!

There is no individual founder. We are not representative by the political beliefs of our partner firms and are in NO WAY, SHAPE, SENSE OR FORM a declaration of political allegiance.

I give not a toss for what you or anyone thinks about this as this is the only thing that matters. If we wanted to be a leftist group we would've aligned ourselves firmly with the Dems but that has yet to occur and will not occur.

WE WANT NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY BILLIONAIRE AS WELL AS ANY POLITICAL PARTY!

You are not a billionaire or a trillionaire so to the people you are sitting here defending do not give a toss for you, your family, your friends or anyone you know. They see you as collateral damage. They own you and by refusing to join up means you've already surrendered your Constitutional rights to The SCUM! To them you are their slave. More then 150,000,000 Americans stand united with this group and the numbers grow by the hour.

No other movement in recent memory has ever been this large. This movement has totally eclipsed that of The Tea Party, The 9/11 Truth Movement, The Anti 43 Rallies, The Vietnam protests combined. This is the largest protest since the Civil Rights Era. Every single time one of our camps is attacked our numbers grow, every report of police brutality this movement grows. Day or week long campouts have occurred in the past but none had the impact nor reach of this one.

STRONG EMPHASIS UPON THE FOLLOWING AND CANNOT BE EXPRESSED ENOUGH :
Unless it comes from Occupy Together, Occupy Everything, #Occupy Wall Street, NYC General Assembly or any of the countless official "Occupy" family of sites it does not speak for this movement and the movement will not endorse any site outside of our family of sites. Adbusters does not speak for us, Tides does not speak for us, no union speaks for us, The American Socialist Party does not speak for us, The Communist Party does not speak for us, Nancy Pelosi, Obama, Biden, The Democratic National Committee, The Republican Nation Committee, The Tea Party, Libertarian movement or any other political party or figurehead does not speak for us and neither do they represent us! neither does any group that has decided to join us under their own free will and volition but even those groups and our partner firms do not speak for us! We speak for ourselves!

All are welcomed from all faiths, ethnic groups, political persuasions, LBGTI, animal and kid friendly as we will not discriminate, we will be friendly to all. Illicit narcotics (marijuana to meth while all scrips prescribed to a fellow protester are obviously allowed) and liquor (all forms) use are banned and will get someone expelled and turned over to law enforcement. Come as you are! Remember, there is no member of the 1% that is on this website which means we are all The 99%!

Haven't I shot down this claim like 20 times already in 20 different threads yet you bring it back up when you think it's safe and you think you can get away with it but guess what, you can post it 2,000 more times and 2,000 more times it will still be a lie and an untruth so please stop while you are ahead as it not only ruins your credibility but makes what you say have absolutely no merit or substance, You could post this until the end of time and it will be still wrong then as this is not just another opinion but is a fact and suggest that you finally learn this! Since I killed and disproved the Tides myth you bring forth this Open Society hack group, are you serious?

So sorry!

Hook, line, sinker, SUNK!

Try again!

reply to post by Battleline


Facts cannot be spun, the truth cannot and will not be distorted as the preceding post by me that you have so graciously decided to reply to and here is my reply to you that this is not propaganda, lies, spun anything but is not just another opinion but is a confirmed fact and suggest to you to do some actual research on this movement before you believe what tv news is ordering you to believe!

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by Battleline

 

Facts cannot be spun, the truth cannot and will not be distorted as the preceding post by me that you have so graciously decided to reply to and here is my reply to you that this is not propaganda, lies, spun anything but is not just another opinion but is a confirmed fact and suggest to you to do some actual research on this movement before you believe what tv news is ordering you to believe!

I did not stand agenist the movement in the begenning,I don't see any point in what it has turned into and what will come of it now that the anarchist's and special interest have taken over.The real people have gone home realizing what these movements have turned into.

If you say all news media and interent blog's are lie's and misinfo then why should anyone belive you,your only answer is "I should do more research" where do you suggest i look,I have been to 3 OWS site's and seen for myself what they started out as and what they have turned into........all you seem to be is just another poster saying "belive me and I'll set you free".....just because you say it.

reply to post by Battleline


A takeover is simply not possible in a leaderless movement. That is still true,

THE OFFICIAL STANCE OF THE #OOCUPYEVERYTHING - OCCUPY TOGETHER - #OCCUPYWALLSTREET MOVEMENTS AND ALL ASSOCIATED MARCHES & OCCUPATIONS THROUGHOUT THE PLANET CURRENTLY :

This group wants absolutely nothing to do with the corrupt 2 party oligarchy as both have been bought and paid by the banks, The Federal Reserve and Wall Street and does not need nor require money from 1%'rs and to say anything otherwise is a major dis service to this group and movement as a whole as we see people like Soros as being apart of the problem and does not endorse millionaires or billionaires. No corporate dollars are welcomed and if one were to attempt to finance this movement it would be rejected and returned with a note saying "No sale!"!

To believe anything else means you are being seriously deceived and tricked and said source should not be trusted or taken seriously and if it does not come from the aforementioned it is not to be taken as the official stance. No General Assembly in any group throughout the planet will amend this ever!

STRONG EMPHASIS UPON THE FOLLOWING AND CANNOT BE EXPRESSED ENOUGH :
Unless it comes from Occupy Together, Occupy Everything, #Occupy Wall Street, NYC General Assembly or any of the countless official "Occupy" family of sites it does not speak for this movement and the movement will not endorse any site outside of our family of sites. Adbusters does not speak for us, Tides does not speak for us, no union speaks for us, The American Socialist Party does not speak for us, The Communist Party does not speak for us, Nancy Pelosi, Obama, Biden, The Democratic National Committee, The Republican Nation Committee, The Tea Party, Libertarian movement or any other political party or figurehead does not speak for us and neither do they represent us! neither does any group that has decided to join us under their own free will and volition but even those groups and our partner firms do not speak for us! We speak for ourselves!

All are welcomed from all faiths, ethnic groups, political persuasions, LBGTI, animal and kid friendly as we will not discriminate, we will be friendly to all. Illicit narcotics (marijuana to meth while all scrips prescribed to a fellow protester are obviously allowed) and liquor (all forms) use are banned and will get someone expelled and turned over to law enforcement. Come as you are! Remember, there is no member of the 1% that is on this website which means we are all The 99%!

Enough said.

reply to post by TheImmaculateD1

I give not a toss for what you or anyone thinks about this as this is the only thing that matters. If we wanted to be a leftist group we would've aligned ourselves firmly with the Dems but that has yet to occur and will not occur. WE WANT NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY BILLIONAIRE AS WELL AS ANY POLITICAL PARTY!

LoL Yet you said this on another thread when confronted with the fact that the communist party and other people are putting support behind you and giving you money.....

The movement will accept the endorsement and backing but the extent of the involvement ends there as they do not speak for nor do they represent us.

So youll take money from anyone , and backing, even if you "say" you dont agree with them......nice moral fiber there huh? Kinda like bankers............right?

You either are an antagonist, or have no idea what you are talking about.......the scary part to me might be that other people in the OWS movement feel the same way

reply to post by TheImmaculateD1


I feel most who are against it don't know why they are, other than the fake political division they've been sucked into. Most of them are stupid enough to repeat the "commie" and "socialist" line over and over, because they don't want to admit that the protesters are right, yet they can't bear to face the fact that the TeaParty failed.

The best ones are those who label all the protesters as wanting handouts and an end to their glorious capitalism. All the while neglecting that capitalism ended when the first corporation was bailed out, and socialism already exists in the form of welfare payments to big business - paid for by the tax payer.

These are the same people who scream about lazy unemployed people and medical assistance policies. They want all that reserved for those who can afford it. Their simple little brains can't figure out that they would eventually be paying more in tax to clean up the mess this unraveling of social structure would create.

If you remove social welfare, you'll have millions more homeless, kids starving, disease breakouts, massive social unrest and spiraling crime rates - to name a few. Social welfare policies are not just liberal ideals designed to help fellow Americans (something the Republican crazies seemingly hate to do) but they're cost saving exercises too. Those who do pay taxes would be paying far more to Policing, personal security, aging relatives and their own pension plans. That's not a myth, it's fact.

reply to post by Skyfloating


I think you'll find that the vast majority are against the corporate corruption of politics and the dominance of power. Most are not against the existence of a company or corporation, they're against the dominance and power of the corporation in the political process.

But you know that already, you just don't have an argument against that position and cannot bear the thought of actually agreeing with people who don't talk, walk, look and act exactly like you.

Originally posted by detachedindividual
reply to post by Skyfloating

 

I think you'll find that the vast majority are against the corporate corruption of politics and the dominance of power. Most are not against the existence of a company or corporation, they're against the dominance and power of the corporation in the political process.

But you know that already, you just don't have an argument against that position and cannot bear the thought of actually agreeing with people who don't talk, walk, look and act exactly like you.

What's with the demands for free stuff then?

reply to post by Skyfloating


Let's shoot down the first pic shall we?

These people were able to afford these items when they had a job and why because they no longer have one would you throw away something you worked hard to earn?

reply to post by ManBehindTheMask


The American Communist Party doesn't have OWS posted anywhere on their layout page but the Socialist Group does saying that that support us (in terms of unity and not endorsing or monetary support as they'd expect the same from us for which we will not partake in).

They do not finance us as we will not accept money from any political party and the only reason why the idiots in both the lamestream media and the bonedead have latched itself on to this because the GOP cannot use that as a launching pad in order to corrupt us and since we can't be bought automatically makes us bad in their eyes. This is coming from the most corrupt of the corrupt in terms of political parties, all have a level of corruption but stop at a certain point, the GOP-TP completely cross it.