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reply posted on 8-11-2011 @ 04:20 PM by alyoshablue
I love this stuff, mainly because of the what if factor. For those of you who are interested in this, here is another sort of Frank's Box type technology, a guy by the name Mark L. Cowden is using, to study this phenomenon - check out podcast 615 at the Mysterious Universe:

Direct Link to Page (you will have to scroll down)

You can listen on the page or download the mp3 for listening. What makes the above link I posted interesting, is that this "box" technology, Mark is using musical instruments to amply the voices.

Sorry to add all that to your thread, but I thought that it supplemented your post well. Thanks for the post and interesting videos.

Peace.
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reply posted on 15-11-2011 @ 12:32 PM by nh_ee
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By cross verification of evidence.

For example many EVP are a direct result of having queried the spirit entities to identify themselves and the names when later researched correlate with previous owners/inhabitants of the location in which the EVP was recorded.

This is one way in which an EVP can be verified vs a PK agent....

Peace


reply posted on 15-11-2011 @ 01:00 PM by Blue Shift
Is there any attempt at objectively discerning the content of the EVPs, or is it still mostly one person or people saying, "That sounds like it's saying 'get out of here' to me?"

One of the nice objectification protocols introduced by the Army's remote viewing teams was that people would be presented with the available data (sketches, transcripts, etc.) without knowing the context, and would say what it looked or sounded like to them. Only after they offered their opinion of the data was it compared to any kind of locational or historical context of the subject of the remote viewing session.

I always thought that would be a good thing for the Ghost Hunters to implement. Instead of one or two people sitting around and coming to an agreement about what a particular EVP sounded like to them (and being heavily influenced by their own experiences), it might be better to farm the EVPs out to a completely independent group for objective analysis, then compare that later with what happened during the investigation. I mean, if they wanted to science it up a little.

I hear EVPs all the time on the various ghost hunting shows where people say it sounds like one thing, but to me it doesn't sound like that at all, even with the help of a subtitle. There's a lot of subjective interpretation going on with EVPs that can be minimized using certain data analysis techniques. It would be a little more time consuming but not that expensive. It could even be done online. Post an MP3 with no context and see what people think it says. That way there would be much less of a tendency to try to force the interpretation of the EVP into investigator expectations.

Real attempt at science, and all that. Not just a lot of running around in a haunted house for fun.

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reply posted on 15-11-2011 @ 01:24 PM by schuyler
The problem with the Frank's Box approach is that OF COURSE you will be hearing words. The box is formed around a radio which scans the AM or FM frequency bands at a slow, medium, or fast speed. What you hear are real words spoken by disk jockeys, in advertisements, in music, or whatever is going on at these radio stations at the time. The theory here is that a carrier wave is formed by this cacophony of sounds and that entities can utilize these sounds to send messages to us.

Another component of the theory is that a Frank's Box "bonds" with the first person to use it in such a way that this person is often the only one who can understand what the box is saying. When you listen to conversations, such as above, you often hear people say, "Did you hear that?" and someone else will say, "Oh, yeah! I definitely heard that!" when everyone else is straining to make sense of the sound. At the very least you have to admit that the sounds coming from one of these boxes are difficult to understand, usually out of context, and amount to word snippets, not full-blown conversations.

Contrast this to the Spiricom approach, which has some of the same components. In this case the frequency is set in the 29 Megaherz range and the carrier wave is a set of 13 specific tones that is broadcast from one radio to another. The carrier in this case is known, not random, and is within your control. The recorded conversations from Spiricom are understandable. They are two way, coherent, and anyone can understand what they are saying.

Now, I know very well there are problems with the Spiricom issue. The whole thing may have been fake. There are issues with the protocol and with the participants, and no one else has ever been able to make a Spiricom replicant work. Indeed, I built one myself and so far, it doesn't work for me. There are also "problems with the problems." In other words, the criticism of Spiricom has its own issues.

My point in bringing Spiricom up is not to debate its truth, but the relative merits of the two approaches are apparent. With the Frank's Box approach, you really don't have much. It's quite possible you are picking up on real broadcast words at random that you force into context yourself. There's no real evidence that what you are hearing is from an entity at all.


reply posted on 20-11-2011 @ 01:26 PM by truthbet0ld
Originally posted by schuyler
The problem with the Frank's Box approach is that OF COURSE you will be hearing words. The box is formed around a radio which scans the AM or FM frequency bands at a slow, medium, or fast speed. What you hear are real words spoken by disk jockeys, in advertisements, in music, or whatever is going on at these radio stations at the time. The theory here is that a carrier wave is formed by this cacophony of sounds and that entities can utilize these sounds to send messages to us.

Another component of the theory is that a Frank's Box "bonds" with the first person to use it in such a way that this person is often the only one who can understand what the box is saying. When you listen to conversations, such as above, you often hear people say, "Did you hear that?" and someone else will say, "Oh, yeah! I definitely heard that!" when everyone else is straining to make sense of the sound. At the very least you have to admit that the sounds coming from one of these boxes are difficult to understand, usually out of context, and amount to word snippets, not full-blown conversations.

Contrast this to the Spiricom approach, which has some of the same components. In this case the frequency is set in the 29 Megaherz range and the carrier wave is a set of 13 specific tones that is broadcast from one radio to another. The carrier in this case is known, not random, and is within your control. The recorded conversations from Spiricom are understandable. They are two way, coherent, and anyone can understand what they are saying.

Now, I know very well there are problems with the Spiricom issue. The whole thing may have been fake. There are issues with the protocol and with the participants, and no one else has ever been able to make a Spiricom replicant work. Indeed, I built one myself and so far, it doesn't work for me. There are also "problems with the problems." In other words, the criticism of Spiricom has its own issues.

My point in bringing Spiricom up is not to debate its truth, but the relative merits of the two approaches are apparent. With the Frank's Box approach, you really don't have much. It's quite possible you are picking up on real broadcast words at random that you force into context yourself. There's no real evidence that what you are hearing is from an entity at all.


Fact or fiction? You decide... Some sentences are clearly spoken over a range of frequencies as the radio scans.

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