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Originally posted by Resinveins
reply to post by TrueBrit
I'd agree with you ... to a point. Do I believe these protesting pseudocops are representative of most cops? Absolutely not. I do think the ratio is higher than most people would like to admit.. but no, I couldn't even come close to saying most cops are like this and have it be true.
But.
That's not the end of the story. Part of enforcing the law evenly... means enforcing the law on all... even if it means arresting another officer. This can't be ignored... it's a major part of the problem.
Every officer that is aware of laws broken by their fellow officers... and does nothing... is not innocent.
Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
reply to post by thisguyrighthere
Interestingly what they are doing is shining light on the whole ticketing as a source of revenue policy governments have adopted. They claim it "is not a crime, it is a courtesy" and in business, bartender's are often afforded the professional privilege of extending courtesy to regular customers and buying them a drink, or your local butcher may use his privilege and extend you some professional courtesy and at a few extra ounces to that pound of beef. Police officers are not bartenders and butchers, nor are they agents of revenue raising for the city or town they work for. Their job is to enforce the law.
Which leads to my point; if you are being ticketed for some violation, that ticket is evidence that what ever it is you have done to merit the ticket is not a crime. Were it a crime, you would more than likely be arrested, or most assuredly be ticketed with no "professional courtesy" extended what-so-ever. A corrupt police officer might accept a bribe to turn their head to the crime, but such a thing is not "professional courtesy", it is corruption, and a crime itself. Wouldn't it be nice if police officers just extended this "professional courtesy" to everyone and stopped going into agreement with being revenue agents for the municipalities they work?
If I park my car in a way that undoubtedly obstructs your right to travel, this is not just some violation of a traffic ordinance, it is a denial and disparagement of your right to travel, and as such I have committed a crime. Not all traffic ordinances are merely means of revenue raising, but far too many are, and LEO's know this full well. Yet, some of them enforce this revenue raising so vehemently one would think they get a commission off of the tickets they dole out.
Originally posted by TrueBrit
What I was saying, is that the good cops are out there getting the job done (no matter if its another cop they have to do the work on or not) rather than becoming embroiled in some political debate, which is not thier job to do, and takes them off the beat, meaning that dirty or not, if the good fellows of the force DID get involved, they would be taken away from the places they are needed.
Originally posted by romanmel
And, after all that they could get TPTB to declare martial law...for the public good, of course.
Originally posted by TrueBrit
Although I do not sympathise with shady cops , I must ask a question here. Ok so there are five hundred cops protesting in a most morally retarded manner, but how many cops are there in the department that these officers come from? How many in that district. How many in that state.
WHAT PERCENTAGE OF COPS DO THESE GUYS REPRESENT?
Unless we can say for sure that these guys represent all or the majority, cop bashing is foolish. When/if it is proven that most cops think like trash, by all means bash away, but dont let loose till the facts are out.
Originally posted by Resinveins
Every officer that is aware of laws broken by their fellow officers... and does nothing... is not innocent. They aren't "good cops". They're enabling the atmosphere that leads to supposed officers of the law openly admitting to breaking the law.. and demanding we accept it. And as long as they are willing to look the other way... they are not fit to wear a badge. People who would exchange their integrity and silence... to be one of the boys... have no business in the profession.
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Over the weekend, Miami City Commissioner-turned-trooper Joe Sanchez left his Miami home and later discovered his patrol car had human excrement all over the windshield and the side of the car. It appeared to have come from a Port-O-Potty.
“I think it’s just some disgruntled employees of other agencies, hopefully it’s not the City of Miami, I don’t know,” said Trooper Smith, adding that the incident is still under investigation.
Originally posted by TheBar
Maybe it is some sort of culture within this one police department and one can only hope that others are not infected with this sort of mentality. The fact that the thread in question is the most active on the board must raise some eyebrows.
I feel sorry for Mr. Katakofsky beliving he was doing the right thing and now the centre of such hatred.
Originally posted by TrueBrit
reply to post by BadNinja68
Are you being obtuse deliberately , or did you just fail to read the following post I made? I specifically said that all persons should be treated equally under the law, that includes police officers. I agree that police officers ought to be as prone to arrest when breaking the law as the next person.
However, what I AM saying is that good cops have no remit to involve themselves in a political dispute. You can tell the ones who are dirty, because they are the ones protesting that they ought to have priviledge of some sort based on the fact that they are serving members of the force.
The good cops, as I stated, are not wasting time they should be using to catch criminals, by sticking thier heads into the political discussion being had on the issue. Rather than speaking out, they are busy getting to grips with real police work, rather than trying to going all west wing about things.
The good guys, like this Randy fellow, are getting the job done, no matter the personal and proffessional risk to themselves, and I think thats laudable. Now, do you understand my position?
Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
The good cops, if their are any, dont have it easy it seems. You'd think if they truly outnumbered the bad ones they wouldnt have to fear retaliation as they do. You'd think their police union would step up and support them rather than attack them.edit on 10-11-2011 by thisguyrighthere because: (no reason given)