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Originally posted by phishyblankwaters
Meh, I see it as one side attempting to paint the entire other side with a single brush. As I stated before, by your logic all American soldiers in Iraq killed humans for sport and throw puppies off cliffs
Our US Constitution has denied "We The People" the right to directly amend our constitution and to directly pass laws on issues of our choosing by a direct majority vote.
Therefore, We the People do hereby insist upon using our national citizens’ ballot initiative process for real and direct participatory democracy based on our God-given "first principles"...
You can't look at their activities and be objective?
Since you want respect for OWS, can we have some respect for the Tea Party too?
A Proposal from Captain Dougars Concerning Direct Democracy and the National Citizens' Initiative
Originally posted by phishyblankwaters
reply to post by SLAYER69
I haven't read ANYWHERE posts by those who are rightly or wrongly accused of being "Anti OWS" say not to protest.
you must be new to ATS. I'd link and quote threads but I'd probably break the server as there are too many examples. Anyways, again, this isn't about OWS, it's about protesting in todays world in general.
Originally posted by phishyblankwaters
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
Since you want respect for OWS, can we have some respect for the Tea Party too?
another thread replying no reader. Not asking for support or respect for the OWS cause. Asking if you at least respect these people who are willing to try to do something.
Though I didn't support most of what the Tea Party was saying, I sure do respect them for willing to try.
Why is that so hard to grasp? I guess it's because some people have an agenda, and as such, refuse to believe others might not.
Oh well, this fail belongs to me 1005, I sadly thought a simple question could spark a discussion, it can't, you refuse to drop the partisan nonsense. you refuse to forget what you think you know about these people and simply see it for what it is.
Keep harping on it, i'm sure you'll convince someone somewhereedit on 8-11-2011 by phishyblankwaters because: (no reason given)
The Occupy thing however is beginning to get out of hand and becoming a health and safety threat to the community.
Originally posted by phishyblankwaters
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
The Occupy thing however is beginning to get out of hand and becoming a health and safety threat to the community.
Can't help but agree with you there, it is becoming dangerous, and once more of these people start realizing this isn't going to work, it will get ugly.
anyways, enough about OWS specifically.
how do you feel about people in 2011
taking to the streets to fight for
whatever they think they believe in?edit on 8-11-2011 by phishyblankwaters because: (no reason given)edit on 8-11-2011 by phishyblankwaters because: (no reason given)
All you have to do is read my statements on why I cannot support OWS. I have made it very clear. Just because you want people to support the movement and make pleas for everyone being nice, is not going to change it one bit. Think the snake in the garden telling Eve, "you shall not surely die".
Well, I was in the Tea Party protests. I still have my signs.
Originally posted by phishyblankwaters
reply to post by beezzer
Okay. Using your argument, why should I support OWS?
Seriously, when did I ask you to support them? You can't be that thick, you are just derailing the thread right? You can't possibly be so thick headed that this far in, you still think i'm trying to get you to support OWS.
Go read the opening post one more time, slowly, clearly.
edit on 8-11-2011 by phishyblankwaters because: (no reason given)
They are taking time out of their lives to go fight for what they believe is right. do you have the guts to fight for what you believe in? Will you stand in the cold, taking tear gas and rubber bullets, to stand for a principle?
Ignore what they are fighting for, and just reflect on the fact that these people, in nations all over the earth, are standing in the cold fighting for something. Even if you disagree with what they are fighting for, can you not at least RESPECT them for actually trying?
Originally posted by phishyblankwaters
reply to post by SLAYER69
You can't look at their activities and be objective?
i'm pretty sure I just did, I just refuse to view the actions of a few to represent the whole.
Apparently you disagree, whatever.
1 I stand by my statements, those committing crimes should be punished, but you can't blame the entire crowd for the actions of some involved. you can't and it's dishonest of you to attempt to say I am.
I'm not saying they "Represent the whole" But what I am saying is that I'm not seeing a realistic Condemnation by what appears to be starry eyed overzealous supporters.
So you want respect for the protesters?
A. Assume I do because it fits neatly into your obvious agenda
you deserve a thousand stars because you see the big picture.
Lets just take a break from the partisan bickering for a minute. Lets forget what you think you know about OWS for a second. Lets just stop and reflect on what these people are TRYING to do. Even if you feel they are misguided, wrong, or evil, just stop and reflect on what these people are doing.
But there is some ideological coherence within OWS. Its collectivist people’s councils seem to have two main inspirations: socialism (often Marxist socialism) and anarchism. The two are sometimes in tension. They share, however, a belief that the capitalist system is a form of “institutionalized violence,” and that normal, democratic political methods, dominated by monied interests, are inadequate. Direct action is necessary to provoke the crisis that ignites the struggle that achieves the revolution.
And we are beginning to see what direct action means. Occupy DC protesters recently assaulted a conservative gathering, then took over a public intersection to prevent the passage of luxury cars. Blocking the path of one driver and his 2-year-old son, an activist shouted, “Sorry, but you have no power right now.” That is the opposite of participatory democracy — the use of power to intimidate a fellow citizen on a public street. It is the method of British soccer thugs.
And what is the message of the "General Assembly", the governing body of the original financial-district occupation? According its website:
"New York City General Assemblies are an open, participatory and horizontally organized process through which we are building the capacity to constitute ourselves in public as autonomous collective forces within and against the constant crises of our times."
Mr Graeber applied what he learned in his ethnographic work in some of the left-wing anti-globalisation protests of the 1990s, and has now brought his experience to bear on Wall Street, laying the groundwork for OWS's experiment in participatory democracy. As Mr Berrett reports:
"Soon after the magazine Adbusters published an appeal to set up a "peaceful barricade" on Wall Street, Mr. Graeber spent six weeks in New York helping to plan the demonstrations before an initial march by protesters on September 17, which culminated in the occupation."
Spontaneous order can take a bit of planning. But it seems Mr Graeber's planning has born fruit: