Large numbers of US households to be denied heating assistance this winter

reply to post by spectre72


I spoke with them just the other day and it seems you may have to reapply for the funding. My ex was sent his automatically but I had to ask them to send me an application. You can go to their online site and download the ap and send it in as well.

reply to post by Adamanteus


The amount of grant money that is received has nothing to do with what temperature the recipients set their thermostat at.

It is completely based on income and family size, and a set amount is deposited into their utility accounts.

If the recipients waste energy, they will have to pay the extra amount, it does not increase the amount of grant money they receive.

reply to post by illuminatislave


Is not that, the problem here is that while people complain about socialism and a socialized government, most of America is privatized, meaning that while the private companies makes their profits they don't give a darn how they gouge the consumer, then to make ends meet for the poor the government ends up subsidizing services and necessities with tax payer dollars like water and power so the private companies do not lose their profits. rather than forcing the private companies that offer the services and necessities to provide to the needy with options.

This is what capitalism dictatorship does to a nations citizens everybody on the top profits from America hard wroking class but Americans hard working class do not profit from anything.

So, no assistance for hard up taxpayers to heat their homes in the harsh weather, but they'll gladly spend $20+ Billion just on air conditioning in Iraq and Afghanistan. What's wrong with this picture?

OWS should do something constructive and donate their funds for these people.

For real. Thanks Obama and Bush for giving billions to Wall Street and millions to Solyndra while people with actual needs are going to get denied govt money.

Originally posted by Britguy
So, no assistance for hard up taxpayers to heat their homes in the harsh weather, but they'll gladly spend $20+ Billion just on air conditioning in Iraq and Afghanistan. What's wrong with this picture?

the results of decades of imperial presidencies.

a trillion $ wasted on Iraq in the past decade alone.

add the billions going to egypt and israel over decades, and that is only the middle east.

the imperial ego of washinton dc makes their pompous concern for ruling the world more important than the citizens of what was once a republic.
helping iraq is more important than the american midwest or california, our senators pompously visiting the satelite nations care little about those who didn't win the american dream lottery.

lets hope and pray this insane empire is on it's last gasp, no greater blessing could happen to the american people.

reply to post by Dreamwatcher


Thats right, and it is or in past has been about 200.00 per household. It helps but by no means pays the bills especially when we have seen the types of weather we have in the past few years.

The thing that gripes me is that for a struggling family with children, they can allow them to lose electricity/gas and then take the children away because of the unsafe environment and lack of care, but will not help the truly needy to keep their lights on in the first place saving millions a year on foster care and red tape bureaucracy.

Originally posted by antar
The thing that gripes me is that for a struggling family with children, they can allow them to lose electricity/gas and then take the children away because of the unsafe environment and lack of care, but will not help the truly needy to keep their lights on in the first place saving millions a year on foster care and red tape bureaucracy.

Hey, welcome to America, richest country on the planet. We've got more money than sense.

But you know what, I agree with the righties for once. Who cares if they freeze? Who cares how many kids die? Less mouths to feed right?

Everyone knows the free market will fix this.

/sarcasm

Originally posted by illuminatislave

Originally posted by Adamanteus
I cannot really comment on this issue with any experience since I live in florida and the temperature doesn't go down into the negative 0 temperatures.

Although I do remember having to put the entire family in a single room with a space heater to stay warm as a child during some winters. I advocate helping those in dire needs to keep them from perishing due to the cold, but I do not advocate subsidizing people that want to keep their home at a balmy 72 degrees all winter.

I know that they say only death and taxes are a sure thing but I'm pretty sure(in my lifetime at least) that it's going to get cold in the winter and people know this and fail to prepare themselves for it.

edit on 8-11-2011 by Adamanteus because: (no reason given)

You live in Florida.

It has nothing to do with keeping your home a "balmy" 72 degrees. This is utterly ignorant.

Come live for a winter in New Jersey or New York, where energy prices are sky high, and try to survive with no heat from November to late March.

All of that tough talk would go right out of the window.

I see a lot of big talk from people who couldn't walk a mile in the shoes of others.

Why on earth would I want to "come live" somewhere that I would require assistance from someone else to live?

I know a few people that do live in New York(upstate) yet they don't require assistance from anyone to survive the winters, they have wood burning stoves/fireplaces and chop wood all summer to heat their homes come winter.

Everyone has choices they can make in this life and to expect someone else to heat Your home for You because You choose to live somewhere that You cannot survive without assistance is just selfishness.

I feel there are exceptions to this such as any veteran that has served their country and seen active combat,destitute families living below the poverty line,Elderly on a ss pension that just cannot make it on the money the Gov. gives them to survive etc.. but average joe blow that works a 40 hr a week job with two cars a couple boats and wearing the latest fashions and needing assistance to heat their 4000 sq ft McMansion? Not a chance they can cut some corners and provide for themselves.

Originally posted by supine

Originally posted by OptimusSubprime
Call me a cold hearted bastard if you want (and if you do I don't care), but I manage to pay my own bills (somehow) and so should everyone else.

You got my vote. Only thing is, how could one call you cold hearted when you manage to keep your heat on?

Now if each individual state wants to have their own program in place for this purpose then that is their right, but this should not be a federal program.

And the money going into the states for these types of programs comes from the Federal Government anyway, so what's your point?

You're right about the money coming from the fed gov to the states... and that is the problem. Why should a state send the fed gov a dollar only to get back 40 cents? Just imagine what a state could do if they told the fed gov to screw off and kept the entire dollar.

My goodness, maybe some of them may have to trim down their Cell and Cable TV bills to help offset the reduction in taxpayers subsidies. No, the Democrats need their vote next year, they'll just borrow more money from the Chinese and everything will work out.

Why is more money not put into preventing breeding amongst the incapable?

Originally posted by joyride0187
Why is more money not put into preventing breeding amongst the incapable?

Some of the "incapable," you speak of are elderly people.

People who worked their entire lives that now live on limited fixed incomes. The may have saved their entire lives for their golden years, never expecting that heating a home would be so out of reach for them.

Don't you ever read the news to see how many elderly people die in the summertime from the heat, or the cold in the winter?

I'm sure that "breeding," is the last thing on the mind of an 80 something year old!

Just wait, with any luck you might get there some day!

Originally posted by supine

Originally posted by joyride0187
Why is more money not put into preventing breeding amongst the incapable?

Some of the "incapable," you speak of are elderly people.

People who worked their entire lives that now live on limited fixed incomes. The may have saved their entire lives for their golden years, never expecting that heating a home would be so out of reach for them.

Don't you ever read the news to see how many elderly people die in the summertime from the heat, or the cold in the winter?

I'm sure that "breeding," is the last thing on the mind of an 80 something year old!


Just wait, with any luck you might get there some day!

The elderly arent the problem. They are the ones who actually need the help. My problem is with those who have 5 children and expect everything to be handed to them.

Originally posted by joyride0187

The elderly arent the problem. They are the ones who actually need the help. My problem is with those who have 5 children and expect everything to be handed to them.

So the children have to suffer for the sins of their father?

Look, while there are people out there that take advantage of these types of programs, there might be a family with 5 kids who's parents by no choice of their own, suddenly find themselves out of work due to the economy, or one was injured.

Unless you can come up with a better way to enforce these programs for those that do take advantage, I don't think it's right for you to say that anybody should be sterilized, or prohibited from having children.

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Why is more money not put into preventing breeding amongst the incapable?

Because this idea is rooted in the concept of Eugenics, which was decidedly a bad, elitist idea.
It's in the first section, go ahead, learn something.

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Glad I spent the $$ a few years back and installed a wood burner in my home. Whenever possible when out and about we try to collect any wood laying around thats burnable and then buy in the summer for the winter when cash allows. Only problem for me nowdays is that I recently had back surgery and can no longer split and process wood, which when you have a nice big pile that needs it is aggravating to say the least. And as a side note when fired up my house stays a nice even 74* even on the cold winter days in Buffalo area of NYS. I wouldn't even be able to imagine how much gas that would require with a conventional furnace, which we do occasionally run as I am anal when it comes to keeping the chimney and fireplace clean ( every other week). And I have heard of some people living on a fixed income, well mine is broke!!!

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Call Chavez, in Venezuela. He helped poor cold Americans just to embarrass Bush and his Big Oil cronies back in 2005. I'm sure he'd help out again.

Chavez Ships Discounted Heating Oil to Needy US Families

Despite record-breaking profits in 2005, all the major U.S. oil corporations reportedly refused to participate in similar programs.

"We are committed to working for a hemisphere with less poverty and more development, whether by teaching 1.5 million adults to read in Venezuela or helping Massachusetts residents through a long winter." And he puts his money where his mouth is. Ya gotta love it.

It's a conspiracy to make Big Oil and the Bush administration look bad.

Originally posted by jaynkeel
Glad I spent the $$ a few years back and installed a wood burner in my home. Whenever possible when out and about we try to collect any wood laying around thats burnable and then buy in the summer for the winter when cash allows. Only problem for me nowdays is that I recently had back surgery and can no longer split and process wood, which when you have a nice big pile that needs it is aggravating to say the least. And as a side note when fired up my house stays a nice even 74* even on the cold winter days in Buffalo area of NYS. I wouldn't even be able to imagine how much gas that would require with a conventional furnace, which we do occasionally run as I am anal when it comes to keeping the chimney and fireplace clean ( every other week). And I have heard of some people living on a fixed income, well mine is broke!!!

Not sure if You've seen this but this may help with the wood processing.
solar powered wood splitter