Originally posted by mistermonculous

Strange times indeed when studies are made to try to explain some of the most abstract of matters: the interpretation of stories and its effects on the mind.
One would believe that only an advanced society that has left behind poverty, hunger, social unrest and inequality could dare to plumb responsibly in the deepest end of human consciousness, this anything goes attitude will help erode even more the thin fabric holding these modern societies "together".

The state seeks to ease cultural tensions (and colonialist transitions) by engineering what people are told about each other. Which, if the narrative fails to accurately reflect reality is probably going to go poorly. Either the target group won't buy it, or they will and be butthurt when they inevitably encounter situations that don't square up with the story they were told.

Although it is very nice to think that stories can alter cultural realities in a way that outbids force or social action, it might amount to no more than a fairy tale.

Selling us ourselves is easy.

Selling us each other is a sticky wicket.

edit on 8-11-2011 by mistermonculous because: (no reason given)

Exactly so. The current versions are full of lies too. Trying to promote mutually exclusive stories about "who we are" is bound to become a problem.

Originally posted by Aeons

Originally posted by mistermonculous

Strange times indeed when studies are made to try to explain some of the most abstract of matters: the interpretation of stories and its effects on the mind.
One would believe that only an advanced society that has left behind poverty, hunger, social unrest and inequality could dare to plumb responsibly in the deepest end of human consciousness, this anything goes attitude will help erode even more the thin fabric holding these modern societies "together".

The state seeks to ease cultural tensions (and colonialist transitions) by engineering what people are told about each other. Which, if the narrative fails to accurately reflect reality is probably going to go poorly. Either the target group won't buy it, or they will and be butthurt when they inevitably encounter situations that don't square up with the story they were told.

Although it is very nice to think that stories can alter cultural realities in a way that outbids force or social action, it might amount to no more than a fairy tale.

Selling us ourselves is easy.

Selling us each other is a sticky wicket.

edit on 8-11-2011 by mistermonculous because: (no reason given)

Exactly so. The current versions are full of lies too. Trying to promote mutually exclusive stories about "who we are" is bound to become a problem.

If I were the evil propaganda mastermind with access to this technology and a whole lot of media sway I think the trick would be selling a third party as the self which both groups would have to identify with.

Take modern hip-hop for example. This isn't really black or white music but is crafted so bland so as to appeal to both groups. This story is the new story that both groups are having sold to them as them selves and then all of the sudden all the years of "People are all the same" fits into this puzzle and it makes sense so they move along until in a few generations they really are all the same and easier to manipulate.

This would after all be the goal of all initial stories, which fortunately PC culture corporate marketing has been feeding everyone for awhile is that we are all the same. Once we all get the same bland story getting two groups to see two mutually exclusive stories becomes a moot point...

Now all they have to do is rip out anything resembling rationality.


Autosarcophagy. What a great word.

Another negative thing about this is that they develop multimillion if not multi billion dollar weapon systems with our Ideas and don't pay a penny for it! They strut around saying things like "we are smarter than you are" and mock us with these nasty technologies. They wouldn't have jack if they were not stealing our ideas right out of our minds. The ultimate thieves. Governments want to get on China for Intellectual property right thievery however they are hypocrites because they are doing the same thing to many of us. It is called Pharming like pharmacy. They farm our ideas, claim them for their own and develop them or sell them to corporations to build them. I am not saying all of their ideas are gathered that way however do the math. Either way, some nasty s@*$ if you ask me.

Originally posted by Mr. D
Another negative thing about this is that they develop multimillion if not multi billion dollar weapon systems with our Ideas and don't pay a penny for it! They strut around saying things like "we are smarter than you are" and mock us with these nasty technologies. They wouldn't have jack if they were not stealing our ideas right out of our minds. The ultimate thieves. Governments want to get on China for Intellectual property right thievery however they are hypocrites because they are doing the same thing to many of us. It is called Pharming like pharmacy. They farm our ideas, claim them for their own and develop them or sell them to corporations to build them. I am not saying all of their ideas are gathered that way however do the math. Either way, some nasty s@*$ if you ask me.

I think this is more about molding the ideas than stealing them. Stealing ideas is and has always been much easier. No real technology required. Besides if you came up with a nifty weapons system you could only sell it the government. Which by the way I agree with...

Originally posted by Jinglelord

Originally posted by Mr. D
Another negative thing about this is that they develop multimillion if not multi billion dollar weapon systems with our Ideas and don't pay a penny for it! They strut around saying things like "we are smarter than you are" and mock us with these nasty technologies. They wouldn't have jack if they were not stealing our ideas right out of our minds. The ultimate thieves. Governments want to get on China for Intellectual property right thievery however they are hypocrites because they are doing the same thing to many of us. It is called Pharming like pharmacy. They farm our ideas, claim them for their own and develop them or sell them to corporations to build them. I am not saying all of their ideas are gathered that way however do the math. Either way, some nasty s@*$ if you ask me.

I think this is more about molding the ideas than stealing them. Stealing ideas is and has always been much easier. No real technology required. Besides if you came up with a nifty weapons system you could only sell it the government. Which by the way I agree with...

That's just it, they are not "buying" anything they are stealing it by coercion, torture and thievery. Not exactly a way to make people want to help them.

I can see a case for sudden emergence of a sub-species.

New functions, new wetwork. Hey, are you thinking that the real-time rerouting is done via drilling a highly personalized narrative and reinforcing it with dopamine and muscle memory?

Thanks for posting the contents of the broken link. Much obliged, ma'am.

edit on 8-11-2011 by mistermonculous because: oops.

I reconsidered this. Perhaps what this is is closer to the original base model. The ancestors who could and did adapt to a thousand different environments successfully.

That the sub is homo sapiens sapiens domesticus.

Probably an overstatement, but I think the metaphor could have some validity.

Only in the act of creative imagination ,
do we trully reflect the creator.

If you use the quote please credit me hehehe , cause I just thunk it up.
(If I ever see this one credited to Einstein some ones gona be sorry LOL)

Originally posted by bluemooone2
Only in the act of creative imagination ,
do we trully reflect the creator.

If you use the quote please credit me hehehe , cause I just thunk it up.
(If I ever see this one credited to Einstein some ones gona be sorry LOL)

Your signature: Let us make man in our Image is not exactly creating man, what part of that don't you understand? Their is a huge difference between making and creating......there is nothing new under the sun.