Is The Entitlement System The Most Efficient Approach To Slavery?, page 2
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reply posted on 7-11-2011 @ 03:50 PM by ModernAcademia
reply to post by Ghost375



You would check for my position on Iran that's why
I am against all these wars and the coming wars on Iran and Syria



reply posted on 7-11-2011 @ 03:59 PM by Ghost375
Originally posted by Sweetmystery

Yes, yes, yes, I think you are exactly right about this. And you said it very succinctly. Yep, its all about freedom and slavery....sadly, most people want the free stuff "material things" rather than a Free Spirit and Soul and Life! Too bad.

Thank you... I am beginning to think that any time we can find right words to speak the Truth and Speak of Freedom and shine guiding Light so folks can get out from under the lies and untruths going on, the lies that keep them bound to the system...any time we speak up, it might help, you never know, someone might wake up.



What "material things" are you talking about?



Here is the main flaw in the argument against "entitlements:"
They never say what entitlements they are against...The vast majority of "entitlements" go to people so they can LIVE. This isn't about freedom, this is about life and death.

But you people ignore that the vast majority of entitlements, not only go to keeping people alive...but the majority of them aren't free. People pay into programs. People pay into SS for all of their life. You are essentially saying we need to screw them over and not pay them back.

so please, describe specifically what entitlements you are against, why you are against them, Because you sound cruel when you say we need to scrap all entitlements, and keep our capitalistic system.
Capitalism inherently causes some people to fail. Should we just abandon our brothers because the system screws them over?
Entitlements are a bandaid fix for inherent flaws in capitalism. I wish they weren't NEEDED, but they are.


reply posted on 7-11-2011 @ 04:00 PM by Ghost375
Originally posted by ModernAcademia
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post by Ghost375



You would check for my position on Iran that's why
I am against all these wars and the coming wars on Iran and Syria

I'm glad to hear it.
At least, we can agree that they are trying to start wars with Iran and Syria.


reply posted on 7-11-2011 @ 04:02 PM by TheWalkingFox
reply to post by ModernAcademia



I don't think you understand what "slavery" actually is. I'll bet you're one of those people who honestly think that paying a tax is absolutely comparable to chattel bondage.

The entitlement system is a very good way to keep the French Revolution from repeating every two decades.


reply posted on 7-11-2011 @ 04:06 PM by TheWalkingFox
reply to post by Ghost375



Well, this is because these people tend to be social darwinists - the poor are poor because they are subhuman, inferior, and deserve nothing less than death. State intervention to try to keep people alive is therefor a crowning moment of evil to these folks who, again, think the poor should die for the betterment of society. Of course, this frankly sociopath refrain is not going to be popular to the general public, dso they have to lie and spin BS like this "slavery" thing, or Reagan's favorite, the "welfare queen" in an effort to make "kill the poor" look appealing for mass consumption.

It helps that we live in a culture that revolves around anti-intellectualism, and the belief that only other people are poor. THis has distilled an American culture where the spciopaths are winning, and poverty becomes a sign of being some alien "other," a moral blight. if you're bringing in 16k a year, you're not poor.. .but someone else bringing home the same amount certainly is, what a disgusting leech on society.


reply posted on 7-11-2011 @ 05:50 PM by Sweetmystery
Originally posted by Ghost375
Originally posted by Sweetmystery

Yes, yes, yes, I think you are exactly right about this. And you said it very succinctly. Yep, its all about freedom and slavery....sadly, most people want the free stuff "material things" rather than a Free Spirit and Soul and Life! Too bad.

Thank you... I am beginning to think that any time we can find right words to speak the Truth and Speak of Freedom and shine guiding Light so folks can get out from under the lies and untruths going on, the lies that keep them bound to the system...any time we speak up, it might help, you never know, someone might wake up.





What "material things" are you talking about?



Here is the main flaw in the argument against "entitlements:"
They never say what entitlements they are against...The vast majority of "entitlements" go to people so they can LIVE. This isn't about freedom, this is about life and death.

But you people ignore that the vast majority of entitlements, not only go to keeping people alive...but the majority of them aren't free. People pay into programs. People pay into SS for all of their life. You are essentially saying we need to screw them over and not pay them back.

so please, describe specifically what entitlements you are against, why you are against them, Because you sound cruel when you say we need to scrap all entitlements, and keep our capitalistic system.
Capitalism inherently causes some people to fail. Should we just abandon our brothers because the system screws them over?
Entitlements are a bandaid fix for inherent flaws in capitalism. I wish they weren't NEEDED, but they are.




Well, I mean its sort of two different sets of values. Some value their material security most and some have a sense that any thing of real value is of the spirit, of the heart and soul, the unseen things like integrity and honesty and character. Some figure out that "things' like money can come and go, can be taken from us or stolen or lost, controlled by others who lose it, or we put our faith in some system that will take care of our money or our housing or our "stuff" but then that system fails.

And that's life, life changes, no one can control 'things'. but we can control our own quality of being and our own attitude.

But faith in our self cannot ever be taken or lost or controlled by anyone else. No one can have power over our integrity or take away our self reliance. I would rather invest in my self and trust my own heart rather than trust in government to take care of me, or to put my faith in some authoritarian ideology, political or religious or institutional... which will always let us down, always.

As for SS and medicare et al... Why do we need the government to invest our money, why cannot we invest it our self and have a savings for the future. I think that if the free market was not restricted by the Federal Government, then there would be much more prosperity for all concerned. And those who really need help, we could help through charity and personal donations.

That is just my simplified version of things, but I wanted to try to explain a little further about the difference between value systems. One believes in 'matter' as a solution to problems, and the other believes in Spirit as an answer to our problems... I think it is an important point.

“Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moths and vermin destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moths and vermin do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also."

I really see how true that statement is and I do abide by it; its all about our being true to our self and being faithful to those things we cannot see.

“And now here is my secret, a very simple secret; it is only with the heart that one can see rightly, what is essential is invisible to the eye.” Antoine-de-Saint-Exupery



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reply posted on 7-11-2011 @ 06:14 PM by Ghost375
reply to post by Sweetmystery


I agree with the vast majority of your post.
There's only two things I disagree with. \
I don't really think it relates to welfare. The government isn't giving out "material things." I don't consider food and crappy housing material things.
It's pretty well known that if you don't have food and shelter, you aren't going to have much of a spiritual life, because all of your time is going to be spent on finding your next meal, or getting out of the elements. Maslow's hierarchy of needs.
So isn't it constructive to people's spiritual well-being if the government helps feed those who can't feed themselves or their children? Again, our system is designed so there are always people who can't earn enough. So you can't get rid of "entitlements" without changing our capitalistic system. Unless you want a bunch of starving people rioting in the streets?


The second thing i disagree with is the part where you say that we could rely on charity...
if that's so, why can't we do that today?
Not to mention that there are already countless charities that do what you say...and guess what, they NEVER get enough food to feed everyone that needs it. Plus you're still in the same situation....people's lives depend on others paying for their meals. I know the charities don't take in enough money and food from first hand experience. I volunteered at one.


reply posted on 8-11-2011 @ 09:27 AM by ModernAcademia
reply to post by spinalremain



You didn't understand the OP
I never said entitlements is slavery

I said it's the best path towards it


reply posted on 8-11-2011 @ 05:19 PM by spinalremain
reply to post by ModernAcademia



I read it.

I just don't see how creating a situation where the people get things for free, breeds a situation where they're likely to become slaves.

Slavery is when you get nothing for doing labor or some such.
Perhaps the people would become dependant on the system, yes. This however is a far cry from actual slavery.
Slaves would love to break free of their situation. Having a dependancy on Govt would be indicative of comfort or stability. They wouldn't want it to change.
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