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posted on Nov, 7 2011 @ 10:43 AM
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Originally posted by milkyway12
reply to post by Corruption Exposed
 


Frighten the War Hawks away? Whats Russia going to do ... attack Israel? lol

You forget , we all have nukes and it will be a un winnable war. There is nothing to Frighten.


I personally want War with Iran , they need to be taken care of while they have limited power , their government is a loose cannon.
edit on 04/30/2011 by milkyway12 because: (no reason given)


So's your bloody government. Shall we bomb you too?

In fact your government has caused more wars than anybody else lately. Let's bomb YOUR country then, then we'll move onto Iran.

Shall we clusterbomb you or drop white phosphorous on your family?




posted on Nov, 7 2011 @ 10:43 AM
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I remember that video from mid 2010 if I'm not mistaken. It's a real interesting to watch. He did seem pretty serious but the language was neutralized to the point where it was vulnerable to be left to one's interpretation. That was my take at least.

I thought he was all talk then, but with all that has gone on lately I am starting to believe his words, as open to interpretation as they might have been.



posted on Nov, 7 2011 @ 10:44 AM
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the russians tend to have more patience and restraint than the u.s .. when they do speak up they're quite serious..

if u.s and israel fail to listen they may get a very hard lesson as those before them did - napoleon and hitler both underestimated the russians and paid dearly for it.
we shall see if history again repeats and obama and netenyahu are added to the list of those who underestimated russia.
Having seen both the capability and quality of troops of all involved if was betting my money would be on the russians to win.



posted on Nov, 7 2011 @ 10:45 AM
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attack will be purely economic reasons .......
if us fall than alll sould fall....



posted on Nov, 7 2011 @ 10:46 AM
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I always kind of thought they were closet "followers of the wind" and that all the back and forth rhetoric was just to justify huge military budgets and such and protect interests. But now I believe Russia has come a long way since it's USSR days and considering it's interests in the area shared with China they are not to be underestimated.

Of course there is always the fact that Russia and China are still competitors against each other and anything can happen behind the scenes.



posted on Nov, 7 2011 @ 10:46 AM
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Originally posted by minkey53
At the end of the day, if Russia or anybody else stands up for Iran, that means they are OK with Iran having Nukes!

After all, that's what they are developing and that is why we are told they must be stopped, by Military Force if necessary.

So these Countries that are helping / support Iran must also be OK with them supplying a lot of Terrorists with weapons too then. You know, Hamas in Gaza and Lebanon. That's where all these rockets are coming from, the one's that kill people in Israel.

So just what the hell are Russia and China thinking?

Or do they only care about the Sales of such weapons to Iran, money and greed?




UN...please stand down, it appears one of our fellow ATS members, minkey53, has all the evidence you need.

Please dont waste your time conducting your audits of Irans nuclear facilities, just PM minkey53!

Problem solved....









I'm guessing your a fan of MSM?



posted on Nov, 7 2011 @ 10:48 AM
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Originally posted by milkyway12
reply to post by Corruption Exposed
 


Frighten the War Hawks away? Whats Russia going to do ... attack Israel? lol

You forget , we all have nukes and it will be a un winnable war. There is nothing to Frighten.


I personally want War with Iran , they need to be taken care of while they have limited power , their government is a loose cannon.
edit on 04/30/2011 by milkyway12 because: (no reason given)


Yeah, we all have nukes, and it's a scary thing when you think about it.

As for Russia attacking Israel, I wouldn't be surprised by anything at this point. Israel has long over stepped their boundaries on the world stage. It's time for the curtain to come down so to speak.



posted on Nov, 7 2011 @ 10:49 AM
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Afghanistan is different story lol... opium trafficking was newer slow down by the "war" to any direction after all...



posted on Nov, 7 2011 @ 10:51 AM
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Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
Wars may be called upon by the 'leaders', BUT STILL, it is the People - you and me that fight those wars.

If you and I, whom are only fellow human brothers or sisters, with many differences in life but do share common hopes and aspirations, REFUSE to push the button or pull the trigger, there can be no wars.

However, way long before that decision is made to go to war, it still the People's permission - you and I, no matter what deception or distractions they may try to heap along the way. You and I must then critically anaylse EVERY data possible, ask for more if necessary, before committing to war.

If even there is a slight doubt, you and I must seek for further diplomacy, compromises or other solutions than the outright call to arms. That call can only be used IF we are being attacked, and NEVER be the ones to attack others.

Words falling on deaf ears or not, it still must be said, for the People - civilised society, are our last hope.


true.. Sadly too many believe the lies and propaganda of the 'leaders' blindly following the fools and idiots into wars over nothing other than corporate greed and lust for power.
humanity has far to go before it outgrows the idiocy..



posted on Nov, 7 2011 @ 10:53 AM
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This is Russia's expected stance as they have good trade relations with Iran. Also they will do anything to undermine the west, however Russia could not strike against the west in any circumstance but with China in support. It is becoming inevitable that we will strike Iran, it is how China respond that really matters. Although India would likely side with the West and that would cause a huge problem for China.
edit on 7-11-2011 by michael1983l because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 7 2011 @ 10:54 AM
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Originally posted by milkyway12
reply to post by Corruption Exposed
 

I personally want War with Iran , they need to be taken care of while they have limited power , their government is a loose cannon.
edit on 04/30/2011 by milkyway12 because: (no reason given)


Ooookay well ww3 aside not to mention the hundred of thousands of dead men, women and children (because lets be honest most people calling for war neither think about the risks involved nor the lives ruined.)

how serious a threat is Iran? well they have there awesome military that could totally overwhelm any country in the world, there massive nuclear arsenal and there history of war mongering... no wait thats the US.

Now let me think why there so evil, ah yes there developing nuclear weaponry, well that just proves your case and point because all countries that develop the atom bomb just want to destroy the world... nope that ain't it either

Maybe it because there religious because we all know these religious types want to bring about there prophecised end of the world, I mean think of all the other deeply religious countries and there aggressive ways like the US fo... nope that ain't right either

ooh! I know what it is, its that they've got a president who believes he should step in to foreign counties affairs to help them see the right way of doing things for there own good! because any country that forces its belief on another country has to be ev... nope still not getting it.

I know its the fact that your worried that in the right situation Iran might actually deploy it atom bombs if they were developed because there is no conceivable situation were a government should be allowed to exist that is willing to nuke another country... wait that doesn't sound right either.

so tell me mate what exactly is so terrible that Iran is willing to do that other countries are not, stand up to the US government? well I applaud them for that.



posted on Nov, 7 2011 @ 10:55 AM
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Realistically, if doing something is in the US and its allies' interests and theirs alone, then Russia and China are naturally going to oppose it regardless of whether it adversely affects them directly. It is at least worth issuing a token expression of support for Iran so that it doesn't feel like such a billy-no-mates and fold to Western demands.

However the statement itself is less about supporting Iran and more about opposing a strike. I think that it is fair to say that most reasonable observers oppose a strike at this point and it is entirely sensible to say that the consequences of such a strike are "unpredictable", barring the benefits of a spectacular intelligence success beforehand.

All of this war-talk is incredibly tedious. There were people speculating on whether China would go to war to stop the West intervening in Libya for God's sake. It is all well and good to look at the Russian/Chinese militaries from a Western perspective and shiver at the idea of going to war with them, but matters look equally grim when viewed from a Russian/Chinese perspective and they aren't completely stupid.

If worse comes to worst then I'll gracefully apologise if I have a minute off from building my bomb shelter but until then I'd ask you all to please 'get real'.
edit on 7/11/11 by Soshh because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 7 2011 @ 10:59 AM
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Originally posted by jrmcleod

Originally posted by minkey53
At the end of the day, if Russia or anybody else stands up for Iran, that means they are OK with Iran having Nukes!

After all, that's what they are developing and that is why we are told they must be stopped, by Military Force if necessary.

So these Countries that are helping / support Iran must also be OK with them supplying a lot of Terrorists with weapons too then. You know, Hamas in Gaza and Lebanon. That's where all these rockets are coming from, the one's that kill people in Israel.

So just what the hell are Russia and China thinking?

Or do they only care about the Sales of such weapons to Iran, money and greed?




UN...please stand down, it appears one of our fellow ATS members, minkey53, has all the evidence you need.

Please dont waste your time conducting your audits of Irans nuclear facilities, just PM minkey53!

Problem solved....









I'm guessing your a fan of MSM?





So just WHY are they (Israel and the UK / US) planning to attack Iran?

PLEASE TELL US ALL, what are we not getting???





posted on Nov, 7 2011 @ 11:06 AM
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Some people on here are paranoid beyond belief, yes the MSM cannot always be trusted but that does not mean that everything they report is lies. In this case they are reporting on a UN report, you people do realise that the UN has members from the West and the East and they normally say it how they see it, like when they OPPOSED the invasion of Iraq. The UN are telling you that Iran ARE building nuclear weapons, there should be no more debate on that issue, what needs to be debated is how they should go about doing something about it. This isn't the US Government or Fox making up reports about Iran, this is the UN.

Sometimes a spade is just a spade.



posted on Nov, 7 2011 @ 11:08 AM
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Originally posted by Soshh

All of this war-talk is incredibly tedious. There were people speculating on whether China would go to war to stop the West intervening in Libya for God's sake. It is all well and good to look at the Russian/Chinese militaries from a Western perspective and shiver at the idea of going to war with them, but matters look equally grim when viewed from a Russian/Chinese perspective and they aren't completely stupid.


Exactly!

Some people seem to have short memories!

Look at the Iraq invasion.........the same "warnings" were coming from China and Russia then...........but did that mean that either Russia or China were going to intervene militarily........Of course not!


All this talk of a third world war......is frankly "pie in the sky".

Sure a military strike in Iran will be big news and international tensions will rise amongst some nations......we saw that during the Iraq war when France and Germany publicly fell out with the US and the US exchanged harsh words with those 2 countries........but did either France or Germany enter the Iraq war.......nope!

Okay I'll make a wager that neither Russia or China will respond militarily if Iran is attacked........anyone want to take up that bet?
edit on 7-11-2011 by Logical one because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 7 2011 @ 11:18 AM
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Originally posted by minkey53
At the end of the day, if Russia or anybody else stands up for Iran, that means they are OK with Iran having Nukes!

After all, that's what they are developing and that is why we are told they must be stopped, by Military Force if necessary.

So these Countries that are helping / support Iran must also be OK with them supplying a lot of Terrorists with weapons too then. You know, Hamas in Gaza and Lebanon. That's where all these rockets are coming from, the one's that kill people in Israel.

So just what the hell are Russia and China thinking?

Or do they only care about the Sales of such weapons to Iran, money and greed?




Minkey.........you do realise that the US and UK helped arm Saddam Hussein don't you?


If you know anything about the global arms trade then you know it's a huge business and quite simply.......it IS all about money........and it always will be.

As for Iran getting a "nuclear" weapon.............why is it that Israel's suspected nuclear arsenal is not under the same type of pressure and scrutiny that Iran is getting?



edit on 7-11-2011 by Logical one because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 7 2011 @ 11:27 AM
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Originally posted by michael1983l
what needs to be debated is how they should go about doing something about it.


No the debate needs to be about why we should go about doing something about it.



posted on Nov, 7 2011 @ 11:29 AM
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It's very simple:

Iran thinks its starting WWII to bring their Mahdi back and clear the decks of opposition.

The NWO is using the KGB and CCP to emboden and enable the 12'ver Mullahs to go ahead with a series of mega terror attacks againts the West after they have managed to back Israel into a corner from which they have no option but to come out fighting from.

USA collapses, Israel nukes the entire Sunni Arab M.E, the refugees flood into Europe and embark on a grand jihad/civil war.

The NWO uses Russia and China to occupy a depopulated and collapsed Europe M.E and US and build their global serf state Islam, Capitalism and Christianity all have been wiped out.



posted on Nov, 7 2011 @ 11:36 AM
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Russia is bluffing.
WHY the hell does russia still think they're the Soviet Union?

Germany,Italy,France, and Britain stands a better chance of beating the USA than Russia.



posted on Nov, 7 2011 @ 12:11 PM
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Originally posted by Logical one
Exactly!

Some people seem to have short memories!

Look at the Iraq invasion.........the same "warnings" were coming from China and Russia then...........but did that mean that either Russia or China were going to intervene militarily........Of course not!


All this talk of a third world war......is frankly "pie in the sky".

Sure a military strike in Iran will be big news and international tensions will rise amongst some nations......we saw that during the Iraq war when France and Germany publicly fell out with the US and the US exchanged harsh words with those 2 countries........but did either France or Germany enter the Iraq war.......nope!

Okay I'll make a wager that neither Russia or China will respond militarily if Iran is attacked........anyone want to take up that bet?
edit on 7-11-2011 by Logical one because: (no reason given)


Only a few days ago, China put pressure on Iran to deliver what the IAEA is requesting. The international media attention and this entire debate is supposed to put pressure on Iran, as opposed to it being predominantly intended to 'gear up the mushy-brained civvies for another war' or similar words to that effect.

The more Iran believes that a strike is likely, the more likely they are to bend over. It is one thing to push your luck when it is absolutely in your interests (Iranian operations in Iraq, for example) and it is quite another to allow something to happen when you have everything to lose. Iran lessened its Iraqi operations when it started to become a serious issue; we had all of the stories of contingency planning for strikes back then as well and war was imminent back then too, apparently. Then it all blew over.. funny that eh?

Now is a good time to step up the rhetoric because the official end of NATO's Libya mission means that a strike becomes far more feasible. This coincided with amongst other things, naughty members of the Israeli intelligence community leaking that Bibi and Barak are trying to attain support for a strike on Iran. It could be that it was a legitimate and unauthorised leak but I am predisposed to believing that it was tactical and intended to create concern in Iran and those who could influence Iran.

I may soon eat these words, but the prospect of a strike on Iran actually taking place is really quite remote. At least it is potentially disastrous enough to give people their doomsaying fix without having to delve into the extremely unlikely consequences of events that are unlikely in themselves. Sorry I went off on one a bit there.





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