Occupy Boston Occupies Israeli Consulate After Flotilla Is Stopped

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by Drezden

Originally posted by nenothtu
Actually, it does tell me something. It tells me you are a Fox News viewer. Otherwise you wouldn't know their views on Israel in order to be able to compare those views with Slayers.

From what I've been saying I obviously do not support Fox news, or lend it credibility.

You are undoubtedly a viewer. Otherwise, as I've already said, you would have no basis for comparison. That tells me that it's probably worth watching if even you are watching it. I won't say yea or nay about whether you afford it any credibility, but you are DAMN sure supporting it.

So what exactly are you doing?

Not watching Fox News.

Well, I haven't been, but I'm going to start I think, since I hear so much about it here at ATS from people - and that includes YOU - that I have to wonder what it is I'm missing. I actually got cable a couple of weeks ago for just that purpose, but I'm still exploring the myriad channels (there's a lot more of them than when I was a kid!) and haven't got around to Fox yet, but you can bet your ass I will eventually, probably pretty soon if you all keep trying to tweak my interest like that.

You ignore and deflect my questions and statements and instead waste bandwidth with a childish joke? Add something to the debate please deny ignorance.

Mostly ignore. I don't think I've deflected any. Matter of fact, I don't think I've EVER responded to you before I made that observation on your obvious viewership.

What joke? Not that it matters much, I suppose - it's MY bandwidth to waste if that's what I'm doing.

I'll go back to ignoring you now, so that i don't get the itch to deflect anything.

If you've got any real points to make, as opposed to (HYPOTHETICAL) straw men, lemme know.

Yeah, (HYPOTHETICAL) was a direct cut and paste from your straw man attempt.

You spend so much time and energy not talking about the issue, and attacking me and discussing whether I like Fox or not. This is what deny ignorance comes down to when it involves Israel.

You won't answer hypotheticals because it would require you to acknowledge what it would look like if a Muslim country forced itself into existence on a western nation's land with the backing of the UN.

All the posts that you guys made in reply to mine had single sentence jokes and other deflections from the question I asked. That is why I stopped posting on this thread. I tried to have an intelligent and respectful debate.

Originally posted by PapaKrok

Here's the thing. The world as we know it is about to change. Things are going to fall apart rapidly. We need to decide if we are going to rebuild it democratically or if we are going to allow a Hitleresque figure to romance us with security. Both futures exists now and depend on our choices in the next couple of months. Freedom VS security will be the choice each of us has to make. Christians should really consider joining the movement as they will be the scapegoat for the fascists possibility......

It's not a choice solely between those APPARENT polarities. Both of those choices are collectivist in nature, and I will nor support nor fight on behalf of either one. You think Christians are only scapegoated by fascists? Not awfully familiar with the histories of communism and socialism, are you? The fact is that religious groups of ALL stripes are always scapegoated by ALL forms of collectivism, whether fascist or socialist. They would be fools of the same caliber as Chamberlain and Quisling to throw in their lot with their own executioners.

I will stand - and drop if necessary - on the side of the People. Not any collectivist concept such as "humanity" or "democracy" or any of that tripe, but The People, as in the individualists who made this country great, back when it was before the collectivists started taking it over.

If it kills me, it kills me. I've been on a collision course with Death since the first breath I took, as we all have. There really ain't no getting out of this life alive for any of us, and it's an exercise in futility to try. The best alternative is to die a good death and try to make it count for something important, like the individual liberties of the people, rather than the enrichment of the top dawg collectivists on either of the "sides" you seem to see, which are in reality BOTH the same "side".

Go ahead and arm yourselves OWS if you plan to kick off a war. It won't be as one-sided as you think it will.

Originally posted by Drezden

You spend so much time and energy not talking about the issue, and attacking me and discussing whether I like Fox or not. This is what deny ignorance comes down to when it involves Israel.

WHO brought up Fox as a smoke screen to begin with? Yet you have the nerve to accuse ME of deflection? 'Nuff said.

You won't answer hypotheticals because it would require you to acknowledge what it would look like if a Muslim country forced itself into existence on a western nation's land with the backing of the UN.

No, I don't answer hypotheticals because they are, you know, HYPOTHETICAL. Not real. Nor are they even based in reality. They are carefully crafted to lead one down the garden path to the constuctor's chosen conclusion, and for that reason willfully omit crucial bit of information in their construction. For example, in your hypothetical, HOW would the UK have ever been written into the Qur'an as "Islamic territory"? On what basis would Mohammed have possibly been able to justify an ancestral claim to the UK?

It just falls flat on it's face, and has no real bearing on Middle Eastern issues. It was simply another attempted smoke screen to obscure the issues, and is unworthy of an answer, or even debate.

All the posts that you guys made in reply to mine had single sentence jokes and other deflections from the question I asked. That is why I stopped posting on this thread. I tried to have an intelligent and respectful debate.

Injecting a bit of intelligence and respect would have probably assisted you in that effort.

Originally posted by PapaKrok
reply to post by macman

 

Yea, probably not a good analogy as OWS is actually a leaderless movement. It is, right now in most places, an austerity based reacitive movement rather than a revolution. We are not looking to work within a broken system, we are looking to remove it and start over with something else. The solution lies, not in elections and special interest appeals but in total dissembly of the current world plutocracy. It is working, look at the reactions from the banks.

I agree that it should remain somewhat peaceful and it should remain pretty damn ambiguous in order to confuse TPTB. They want leaders to capture and riots to squash...I think we can strangle or bleed the system dry if we really want to and avoid the casualties. I fear, though, that there will be blood by mid summer. Some of the Occupy movements here in the West are beginning to arm.

World wide coordination is beginning and we should be able to launch a more cohesive campaign by spring.

Here's the thing. The world as we know it is about to change. Things are going to fall apart rapidly. We need to decide if we are going to rebuild it democratically or if we are going to allow a Hitleresque figure to romance us with security. Both futures exists now and depend on our choices in the next couple of months. Freedom VS security will be the choice each of us has to make. Christians should really consider joining the movement as they will be the scapegoat for the fascists possibility......

Ok, fair enough, in regards to the Gandhi connection.

Here is my view, I could care less about the rest of the world. The can burn, thrive, piss on it, succeed or what have you.
I care and my motivations are for the US and my family. That is it.
So, changing or remaking the world is not the responsibility of the US. If it is, then the banter of "No war in the ME" is a farce, because if we are set to change the world, it will be at the end of a weapon.
The US needs to stop being the World Police. Let the rest do as they will.

Originally posted by OldCorp

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
All I can say is way to go Occupy Boston. It's nice to see that some people actually cared about the flotilla.

edit on 6-11-2011 by Corruption Exposed because: (no reason given)

Just out of curiosity, where were these people when the Palestinians were raining 8,000 rocket and mortars into Israeli civilian neighborhoods in the year prior to Cast Lead?

Bunch of friggin' hypocrites if you ask me.

Maybe Palestine was doing the same thing Israel always does? A preemptive strike as a way to defend themselves. These people are merely voicing what alot of people feel the war in Gaza ended January 18, 2009. So why is Israel still there? Their occupation of Gaza is illegal just as their blockade is and they are just protesting it.

Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by Drezden

 

Typical...

You are confronted with historical facts and you choose to ignore it.

Pathetic.

Now what were you saying about 9/11 It's getting late I need a bed time story...

To clarify, do you accept the 9/11 commission report's findings? I don't want to assume, but by your comment it leads me to think you do not believe any foul play to be involved?

Originally posted by nenothtu
WHO brought up Fox as a smoke screen to begin with? Yet you have the nerve to accuse ME of deflection? 'Nuff said.

A smoke screen? The entire point of that post was to inform people that their views on Israel happened to be the very same views Fox New's has on Israel (you people even have the same enthusiastic, combative defense of Israel that is very hostile to opposing views). Given that particular MSM's track record on important issues, especially important issues involving the Middle East.. I thought people might want to take a step back and contemplate that. (Especially if they don't, or have never watched Fox News)

Originally posted by nenothtu
No, I don't answer hypotheticals because they are, you know, HYPOTHETICAL. Not real. Nor are they even based in reality. They are carefully crafted to lead one down the garden path to the constuctor's chosen conclusion, and for that reason willfully omit crucial bit of information in their construction. For example, in your hypothetical, HOW would the UK have ever been written into the Qur'an as "Islamic territory"? On what basis would Mohammed have possibly been able to justify an ancestral claim to the UK?

It just falls flat on it's face, and has no real bearing on Middle Eastern issues. It was simply another attempted smoke screen to obscure the issues, and is unworthy of an answer, or even debate.

If humans refused to think, answer, or consider hypotheticals.. we would not be as advanced as we are today intellectually or scientifically. To you the hypothetical thought of England being the promise land of the Muslims in the Koran is too ridiculous and too far removed from reality to even address as a hypothetical..

Yet Jews right to Israel is not outlandish because there really is a religious book that states "God promised the land to the Jews".. and there was a massive migration from Egypt to the land that is Israel? Yet more than 3/4 of the Jews in Israel today are of Ashkenazi ancestry.. so they don't have any significant ancestral claim to Israel... certainly not enough to justify creating so much conflict in that region.

Originally posted by nenothtu
Injecting a bit of intelligence and respect would have probably assisted you in that effort.

Did you read any of your posts? You were not respectful, and your jokes were not intelligent. You are a master of avoidance and deflection, you won't answer real questions with an answer.. you won't answer hypothetical questions on principal.. and you seem to enjoy childish jokes over respectful debate.

Why should OWS care about a flotilla in Israel, The whole problem with the US is they want to stick their noses in other Countries business

Originally posted by neo96
No!

Indeed!

All those accounts of Anti Semitism that so many dismissed finally rears its ugly head thought it was about Wall Street so tell me what the hell does the Israeli Consulte have to do with anything?

Oh if it looks like a Nazi and "protests" like a Nazi its a Nazi.

OWS is totally worthless.

Yes.. a handful of people out of the thousand and thousands of OWS protestors break off from the main protest and walk down to the Israeli consulate to do this.. so this automatically translates into OWS as a whole loosing its focus?

Originally posted by jondave
Why should OWS care about a flotilla in Israel, The whole problem with the US is they want to stick their noses in other Countries business

The U.S. gives Israel 3 billion in military aid, and 2 billion in federal loan guarantees annually.. that's $5 billion of U.S. tax payer money going to a highly developed nation with the most advanced military in the region.

Really it's U.S. corporations giving tax payer money to Israel, so Israel can spend the money buying weapons from U.S. weapons manufactures and corporations (the military industrial complex at its finest)

We both agree that the problem is the U.S. sticking its nose in other country's business.. we need to remove ourselves from that situation by stopping the support of Israel and their blockades and conflict.

Originally posted by Drezden
We both agree that the problem is the U.S. sticking its nose in other country's business..

Yet its ok for Syria, Iran, Hezzbullah and Hamas to stick their noses into Israeli business on the side of the Palestinians?

Who are those countries, and you, to make the argument Israel should not be allowed to conduct their own affairs, which includes who they consider and ally and an enemy?

Hypocritical much?

Originally posted by Xcathdra

Originally posted by Drezden
We both agree that the problem is the U.S. sticking its nose in other country's business..

Yet its ok for Syria, Iran, Hezzbullah and Hamas to stick their noses into Israeli business on the side of the Palestinians?

Who are those countries, and you, to make the argument Israel should not be allowed to conduct their own affairs, which includes who they consider and ally and an enemy?

Hypocritical much?

Israel has attacked the countries you mentioned so they have every right to stick their noses in Israel business. But America sticking it's nose in only makes matters worse we don't belong there and we shouldn't be there.