I applaud him for standing by his convictions and principles and trying to bring these issues to people's attention.

Would it not be possible for him to run as Ron Paul's Vice President?

While listening to Jesse 'the Body' Ventura, I am reminded about an old Space.com article. Unfortunately, the article is no longer available...

If history has anything to say about our future, the United States and United Kingdom will cease to be an important factor behind democracy. Even though they are republic societies that utilize democracy, both civilizations are slowly becoming a light version of the Roman Empire. When I reference the Roman Empire, I am referring to how it rose and declined. United States and United Kingdom are not empires, but they do suffer from certain complacent attributes similar to Rome. What drove the Roman Empire into the background was economic turmoil, lack of border enforcement, conflicting ideologies, black plague, famine, and corrupt government. Sound familiar? It should.

In order for Democracy to survive into the next century, we have to find another island to populate, defend, and establish. Unfortunately, Earth does not have anymore islands available, so we are currently stuck with a major conundrum. Space exploration and technology is key. When the Spanish and British Empires moved across the globe, they created boats and ships to tackle the sea. If such technologies did not exist, the continent the United States was built upon would not have been discovered. So, what does space have to do with this? Its simple. In order for democracy to survive well into the future, mankind needs to find a way to expand civilization. Instead of fighting to protect democracies on the sea, we will be protecting global democracies across space.

Now, since history has a way of repeating itself, the United States, United Kingdom, and many-many other Earth nations will be the future enemy. Unfortunately, the technology available for space expansion is not available, so all our global societies are going backwards. Where does this lead? As a result of not fully embracing space technology and human space exploration, we are steadily heading back to the 11th century. Unless we have some sort of Renaissance with science, math, and technology, the future of democracy will end with a violent thrust into oblivion.

Prediction:: If all goes according to plan, the following will eventually happen: (1) All global governments will become the enemy, (2) United States will be abandoned by the working class; thus, the people ridding on their shoulders will be left to learn survival skills, (3) United States, United Nations, and China will attack 'the new world', which the working class will establish through the use of space technology, and (4) the cycle for freedom and democracy will begin again. Instead of battling across large oceans, we will be battle across a large gap in space.

What we have already learned: (1) Democrat and Republican ideologies cannot survive in one society, (2) absolute power corrupts absolutely, and (3) people are getting tired.

United States may end up splitting similar to the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. I am willing to bet its going to happen within the next twenty years. Half the country will dissolve into Canada, and the other half will dissolve into Mexico.

All good things gradually come to an end, or they go out in a violent scream for death.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
If a rich U.S. kid commits date rape and escapes to Mexico, we spend millions and send Dog the Bounty Hunter to bring him back, but if an illegal immigrant violently rapes and brutalizes a family, they get detained and deported, and their back home by the end of the week.

Worse than that.
We didn't send DOG. That would be illegal.
We cannot legally send ANYONE into Mexico to aprehend a criminal who has fled there.

This is why DOG got arrested in Mexico, and had to go back and face kidnapping charges there.

Originally posted by JibbyJedi
Where in this video did he "renounce his citizenship"?
He said he was going to apply for Mexican citizenship. He can have dual citizenship.

Not unless he was born to mexican parents in the US or to American parents in Mexico. See my sig on how to follow Jesse's lead.

DON'T attempt to renounce your citizenship/fire your government unless you are confident that you know what you are doing and why it's lawful.

So when is he moving away? Lots of Hollywood said they would move if George Bush became president but they are still here.

Private/chartered planes don't have to go thru TSA pat downs/xrays.

Jesse could fly on a Piper Cub. If he bought an ultralight plane he could fly it himself and wouldn't even need a pilots license.

You don't need Government Air.

Did the courts actually deny him due process and a fair trial?

Originally posted by Fractured.Facade
Wait, this is all over TSA screening in airports?

Mexican citizenship?

Godspeed Jesse

Don't let the border hit you in the ass on the way out.

How did this man get to this point of hatred for what is still (despite claims to the contrary) the best country on the planet?

Congratulations for being an outstanding example of how giving up, and being a coward and ultimately a traitor is more acceptable that standing your ground and fighting for the principles you believe in.

Sometimes it is just better to give up and walk away!

edit on 6-11-2011 by Fractured.Facade because: (no reason given)

You are so wrong here...

Yes over the TSA, when the government completely ignores the most fundamental of our individual rights, the right to privacy, the right to free speech and the right to bear arms to defend ourselves, and what is being addressed here, the right to be secure in our property and persons and to not have our property searched and seized without cause affirmed by an eye witness to an actual crime having taken place.

Jesse states he is walking away because he couldn't fathom the only other option when tyranny rules. Trust me, he isn't going anywhere for long if at all.

Jaden

Overall, I like Jesse. He's one of the very few politicians that seemed to actually tried to do the right thing and get some things done.

Let's not forget, he is and always has been in the entertainment industry, even now, he has "Conspiracy Theory" tv show, books, appearances on the Idiot Alex Jones to reach people, etc. So he's not bailing on all of that, he's just trying to make a point.

He has options, and the resources to leave the U.S. I think a lot of people would leave if they could. It's still a good country, but not great any more, there are better places to live depending on whats important to you. If you could live like Jesse is living in Mexico, you'd wanna go too!

Originally posted by Fractured.Facade
How did this man get to this point of hatred for what is still (despite claims to the contrary) the best country on the planet?

He didn't say anything about Denmark. What video are you watching?

Congratulations for being an outstanding example of how giving up, and being a coward and ultimately a traitor is more acceptable that standing your ground and fighting for the principles you believe in.

I don't think you know what "traitor" means. People should avoid using words they don't know the meaning of.

Originally posted by Kram09
I applaud him for standing by his convictions and principles and trying to bring these issues to people's attention.

Would it not be possible for him to run as Ron Paul's Vice President?

I heard on some (I think Pierce Morgans CNN program) he would consider this. It would be an interesting ticket indeed, but will split the GOP vote, which I can only hope for. What concerns me about Ron Paul is what I see as an almost 1930's isolationism-libertarism. And we can't in our right minds just build a big enough wall, and not be active in the world. And what do we do about people with no health care, I think a Republican crowd cheered when someone said "let them die". We can and must make a better world but must not look at it from the infantile view that "let them die" is a world we really want to live in. Do you? If you are the one in such a situation, do we just let you die? I have a problem with that whole concept.

As a strong libertarian and unabashed capitalist, I know the best government is the most limited in scope and with special emphasis about things like civil liberty, (think personal privacy, one of my hot buttons) Why? Because it was violated, not by the government in my case but some acting on their behalf, and in case you didn't know private contractors with the appropriate access, clearance and "motivation", think money and power, can do what ever they damn well please. And the Constitution? Oh, that applies to the U.S Government, not private persons or contractors, or companies. We need laws to protect us from the rent-a-spooks, rent-a-cops, and sometimes rent-a-goons. And the sob's who steal other people's money, legally. Got a big problem w/that too. And please believe me. With resources and and technology, a private entity can and will do ANYTHING they can get away with. If you value as I do personal privacy, civil rights, the government is almost always the least of your worries. I know from experience. Then you have to have someone able to pick up the pieces. Thats the FD, PD, people who monitor the environment like water quality, etc. While a lot is done cheaper by private sources they must answer to us. Thats where the power of government is so important, and though should be limited, MUST exist. Or have a person, corporation or contractor as criminal. Nope...

As for his living in Mexico, I have no doubt the Governor is more then capable of protecting himself where he lives, again from he said in "The Baha" in Mexico. ("Baha" is not liked by spell check, so sue me...") I guess he like's the climate? Climate is to hot for me plus I like the seasons of the Upper Midwest. I have mentioned my view of a lawless feudal state which Mexico is, a nightmare for most unless you can deal with problems that may arise, and Governor Ventura? I don't think he would have much trouble with almost anything. Good for him.

When Ventura was Minnesota Governor I liked him, aside from being effective and not saying the people should pay for sports stadiums for multimillionaires, corporate special sports interests, and other things. He was blunt (I also like that) and he tried to, at least from what I saw/heard do the right thing. In politics people who are not beholden to special interest's and do the right thing, that it's work for the people who elect you seems like such a contradiction of terms. Today, as I think as posted by one of the main mods and perhaps U.S. based (ok, sounded like he was or at least is very familiar with our polio-crap in my country) He's tired of it, you? Today the emphasis is more on, solely; "getting rid of the guy who is President", as the GOP stated so directly and with no desire to think they have any other job to do.

Then again why did they (GOP) spend such valuable time to debate critical issues like keeping the motto "In God We Trust" in our courtrooms, and the urgent other things? Making sure they rammed the issue of a marriage amendment to ban gay people and non-straight people from formal marriage recognition for the purpose of civil rights by the Federal government or if they can't do that State-byState. Such an amendment would the first to restrict civil rights from a specified group in our history. If someone can please tell me how the right to inherent property, speak for a married partner in end-of-life issues, etc, can in any way have any negative effect on "straight people who married or not", I really want to know.

By the way. No one can be married in a religious institution with out the approval of tenants of that church,temple,mosque, or any such place of worship or by order of any State in the U.S. a home, or anywhere a marriage is legally conducted. Thats why we have a separation of church and state, and no, absolutely NO State religion. I want to keep it that way. (My libertarian drives, and belief in America's Constitution is showing)