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reply posted on 6-11-2011 @ 11:55 PM by Burgo1010

only in america lol

reply posted on 7-11-2011 @ 02:02 AM by JohnySeagull

he states he never does this 'downtown'

so he goes out with a video camera looking for someone to challange him over this.

the cops weren't even giving him a hard time.

they actually sounded like they were trying to be friendly at the start of it. they weren't agressive. in a responsibleway, with out ordering him they were just pointing out a lot of people may not be aware of the law and they may get concerned when they see him. in 'otherwards' , could you not just cover up.

people see a guy with a gun and a videocamera and think he is going to videotape him shooting up a load of kids. and he has most of his face covered with a huge beard and large sunglasses.

this is sad an immature.

reply posted on 7-11-2011 @ 02:20 AM by InformationAccount

Originally posted by drew1749

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Just something about the way this cop asks for Identification (Papers Please) at 3:24 bothers me

reply posted on 7-11-2011 @ 03:54 AM by JohnySeagull

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it would actaully be kinda impressive if he introduced himself to the cops if he is from that region and that way when they see him wandering round with his gun on display they know he is local and not up to something. of course that would be the sensible thing to do.

but no, he wants to be a jackass and actually takes a video camera because he is looking for hassle. he is probably dissapointed he didn't get more hassle from them.

(maybe the next time that cop won't bother 'having a chat' with some guy carrying and the next time some guy is on the way to kill a load of folk at the mall.)

reply posted on 7-11-2011 @ 10:14 AM by macman

Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by macman

Oregon is a Traditional Open Carry state, meaning any open area not regulated by a municipality that restricts the posession of open carry weapons is an open carry portion of the state that does not require a license. In most cities there are certain rules, varying from city to city. In the largest cities (Portland, Salem, Eugene) loaded open carried weapons are prohibited without the possession of a Concealed Carry License. Also all public buildings open carry is specifically illegal without a Concealed Carry License. Because of this, unless you're in one of the smaller towns, almost everyone who open carries has a CCL. For instance I, in Portland, must have a CCL to Carry either Open or Concealed within the city boundaries, and all but 2 suburbs are the same way.

Within a city police are obligated to respond to inquiries made by citizens in regards to the open carrying of weapons. If you're in the larger cities you'll likely get stopped every once in a while downtown. People who Carry know this, expect this, and if it's not concealed it's not an improper search or seizure as police are allowed to question any obvious threats. If you have a CCL or else you have no ammunition if you do not have a CCL, then it shouldn't be a problem. Make some small talk with the cop, crack a few jokes, lose 5 mins of your day and be on your way.

edit on 11/6/2011 by Rockpuck because: got rid of the mean stuff

If the rule in the city is as such, then so be it.
From the video, where he was, there is no such rule, as the LEO would know this and ID/License would be produced.
The LEO could ask questions, but not direct him to stay there, as that is detainment. Unless reasonable suspicion is there, the cop has nothing.

reply posted on 7-11-2011 @ 10:16 AM by macman

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by drew1749

Actually, I think the cop has every right to ask for identification in that stop. I'm glad this guy knows his rights and exercises his rights, and I think it is ridiculous that people are so frightened that someone called the cops. BUT, since someone was frightened, and did call the cops, then they cops should make sure the guy is licensed and legitimate.

Imagine the backlash if this guy walks 2 blocks up the road and shoots his ex-girlfriend!!

And the cops did seem to know the law pretty well. They were never aggressive, they just asked if the guy knew the responsibilities involved with what he was doing, and they asked if he realized the effect it has on other people.

In my opinion, the guy, and the cops, were both excellent here, and the only idiots are the ones that get frightened every time they see a gun.

Nope, no law where he was to display ID, unless Reasonable Suspicion is there and cause for detainment.
I know that most have been conditioned in thinking ID must be produced whenever requested, but that is not the case 99% of the time.

reply posted on 7-11-2011 @ 10:18 AM by macman

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
How do we know somebody even called the cops? The cop can say whatever he wants.

And why do cops even go on calls like that? How is "there's a man with a gun" any different from "a man with a car" "a man with a briefcase" "a man with a mullet"?

Since when has having possession of a thing justification for harassment and scrutiny? When did this start? When did society decide to accept two kids squirrel hunting as justification for a town-wide lockdown and SWAT team activation?

I know it's not "Columbine" or any other assinine excuse since statistically the gross over-reactions and public paranoia is entirely unwarranted. Is it liability? Nobody wants the take the flak "just in case" so throw everything within 100 mile radius at it?

Well, "just in case" shouldthen pertain to every other statistical killer then, right? Just in case you wreck your car the government needs to shuttle your ass to buy a lotto ticket. After all that's as likely to happen as a bowel movement while a "Columbine" is about as likely as space shuttle debris crushing your Pomeranian. Is there no liability there? We don't care that 30,000 people die in car wrecks every year? Maybe it just isnt as attractive or "hot" as a murder? Which by virtue of it's ability to garner ratings and spectacle means it is in fact a rare occurance. If such things were as commonplace as folks like Fienstein would have us believe we woukd view them as passé as we view a car wrapped around a pole.

It's truly mind boggling to me how absurdly irrational and inconsistently panic stricken society is.

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The only way to truly find out would be during an evidentiary hearing, during the court process on criminal charges.

reply posted on 7-11-2011 @ 10:33 AM by InformationAccount

Originally posted by JohnySeagull
reply to post by InformationAccount

it would actaully be kinda impressive if he introduced himself to the cops if he is from that region and that way when they see him wandering round with his gun on display they know he is local and not up to something. of course that would be the sensible thing to do.

but no, he wants to be a jackass and actually takes a video camera because he is looking for hassle. he is probably dissapointed he didn't get more hassle from them.

(maybe the next time that cop won't bother 'having a chat' with some guy carrying and the next time some guy is on the way to kill a load of folk at the mall.)

What's disturbing is that you seem to think that someone needs a gun to do that