"My daughter deserved to die for falling in love"

reply to post by Char-Lee


religion as a word and concept is mischaracterized alot. i don't mean because of the way people perceive the teachings. rather, it's how we're taught today that religion is a category on its own, separate from government. it really isn't. religion started out as the law of the land, thousands of years ago. it was the government. it set the standards for moral behavior. etc. religion is a world view. every world view has problems. doesn't matter what it is. stalin mao, hitler, popes, imams, priests, witches, warlocks, etc, when enough people with the same beliefs consolidate in an area, people will get abused. it's a fact of life. that's why melting pots tend to be more successful, particularly providing no alternative world views try to use the differences between the diverse members in the melting pot to gain political advantage.

reply to post by Dembow


I guess it's not the 21st century in Basra...will it ever be???

Let's hope so

Reply to post by Maslo

Obviously this is a sickening thing to read..but i just hope people don't take it into perspective, that every male muslim thinks in this mysogonistic, archaic way...How people can act like that though..& towards their own family is saddening.


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Originally posted by thoughtsfull
It is always sad to see humanity sink to these levels..
But these things do seem quite typical of the deeply religious

You hypocrites call it like it is, you name religion, it is online religion that does this and that is Islam. The fact it was a British soldier has nothing to do with it , if he was a Muslim of their sect it would have been allowed. I have read of several so called honor killings in Iraq in which a Sunni sees a Shia and the family kills for this reason.

Only Satan desires this type of killing by no means does God. Genesis 3:15 God speaking to Satan " and I will put enmity between thee and the woman between thy seed and the woman's seed. Thee will bruise His heel and thou will bruise thy head. Ever since that moment in he Garden of Eden the seed of his offspring the his son Cain would have enmity between the men and woman. Thats fact.

reply to post by MilzGatez


My thoughts exactly!!

reply to post by Sci-Fi_entist

In answer to your question, here is the answer:
If I was in his country, the answer is no, I would have not done anything to stop him, as that is the culture and country that he lives in. If they believe that such is permissible under their version of a court of law, then I would be wrong for trying to stop him from doing such. If he were in the country that I am in, then yes I would try to stop him from doing such, as such is part of the country.

Many different countries are steeped in cultures and beliefs or aspects of those beliefs as they view them. While some may seem more barbaric than others, they still follow them as it is correct for them to do such. Religious ideology spans the entire world, and it is something that we just have to accept. Be it honor killings in the Islamic countries, or bride killings in India, to even murder of spouses in the western world. Such happens and it is a reflection of that culture in general, though they are far and few between, it is what we tend to focus on. The old saying a few bad apples ruins the bunch, is more prevalent and has a greater impact than the few good things about such. And it colors our view of those countries.

This is nothing new, nor should it be a shock about such, as it happens far more than many people would care to guess or imagine. And unfortunately it is a shame and a waste, but we can do nothing, and ultimately that is going to have to be the point, is to do nothing, and let people in those countries where such happens be. Now if they expect such to be allowed in the western world, where it is forbidden by law, then that is another topic and something that they will have to come to an understanding and acceptance of on their part.

reply to post by sdcigarpig

If I was in his country, the answer is no, I would have not done anything to stop him, as that is the culture and country that he lives in.

I am sure it is still against the law in Iraq.

reply to post by apacheman

But under your argument, that we should go through and destroy a culture just cause we do not agree with its values and beliefs?

That is what the point of this is, is it not, how we are sitting in judgment over a set of values and beliefs over another culture, setting to the position of being inferior all cause what they view as justified seems to be an affront to what we all believe in? Even in their own country? Do we dare think that we are superior in our views or even try to eliminate that which we find distasteful in our eyes?

How ironic we would say no you can not do something to a people in their own country, yet would balk at the very notion of them doing the exact same thing to us. Many of us would reject such notions and we would be right to do such, so why is this any different? His actions in our eyes are wrong, but in his and those of his country are correct. Which would have more weight in his country, ours or his?

Be it that we agree or not, the facts are that he did not break the laws of his country and that is the one thing that we have to accept. We may not like it, but there really is nothing that we can or should do. I for one would not want to visit any middle eastern country, cause I find that some of the laws and punishments to be barbaric, but in their views, they are very much justified. Nor would I be correct if I went to their country and demanded that they change said laws or their customs to suit me or any others. Too much of that is going on right now around the world.

reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL


You are comparing apples and oranges. The crime had support of the whole society. Rapes in the west are always codemned when they happen.
As for the western women - hurrp durrp, sexuality is baad because ancient goat herders told me so - grow up.

reply to post by Maslo

But here is the rub, you are not dealing with what would be considered to be common law, but rather that of a religious nature used to justify the actions of the father. While in many of the countries such is illegal, many of the law enforcement turns a blind eye to such. And most of the time, the male uses the justification that the female was having illegal sex acts. This tradition goes back in history and is entwined in the culture of many of those countries in the region. Some of the reports coming out of the United Nations state such.

Originally posted by Char-Lee

Originally posted by Frontkjemper

Originally posted by MilzGatez
[Let me know when the next Christian Lady drowns her 3 little kids in the bathtub... so I can say the samething...

Now how about you count up how many "honor killings" Christians have done over the past one hundred years to Islamic "honor killings". How much you wanna bet that the counts is exponentially higher. So troll, you fail.

Maybe not all "honor killings" but a lot of killing and some honor ones too.
If you look you will find "christians" who have killed their children because of foricaion, because they don't believe in medical care and like this one beat their kids to death for god...just search and yeah shall find!
fundamentalist Christian couple who killed their 7-year-old adopted daughter while practicing a violent form of discipline.
www.rawstory.com...
Don't forget from the very beginning of the bible, god ordered killings of women and children and animals...have you read it? I think all religion stinks.

Yet all nations with Christian majorities make laws to punish people like this.

In no nation, in no society (minus a few cults that are vigorously watched) is this behaviour condoned, accepted, embraced or in any way legal.

The sections you quote are indeed in the Bible and are Old Testament. These are superceded by other ideas promoted by Jesus. You should read those ones again. I say this as someone who is not Christian.

You can absolutely attack those stupid people for their stupid interpretation of Christianity, or a group using it as a Political tool or ideology. However, just as we must with Islam, you need to be more surgical in the application.

As terrible as we westerners all think this is, it happens HERE in the USA. We don't interfere with the FLDS who are taking wives as extremely young ages, and force them to marry and bear children by the time they're 13. Every time we make arrests, we can't get anyone to testify, because these are 3rd and 4th generations of women who know nothing different. If those girls fall in love with a young boy their own age, the older men in this sect of Mormonism force him out, and the girl is beaten and then immediately married off to a much older man. We don't seem to be able to stop it here, so what makes any of us think we can interfere with another nation's culture, no matter how despicable it appears to us?

The money we give to other countries is less than 1% of our national budget. And our religious political leaders are giving money to Rwanda to persecute and kill people, there, for being born gay. We need to stop what's going on here, and STOP our religious and political leaders from persecuting gays in other countries, before we can throw stones from our glass houses at their tents, huts, and cultural beliefs.

and yet you americans and europeans support the sharia freaks in Libya and Syria...Disgusting you are the problem of the world americans.

reply to post by NuclearPaul
you wrong about the reasons for the killing. Its not Honor its Control maniacal control. he did not say His Daughter Had Sex with the solder, just that she became Infatuated with him. In the Muslim faith, Women have no rights or life of there won, they are property. and even if there attacked and Raped, there stoned to death.
WHY ?
I'll quote a Muslim Man who Murdered his own sister after she was Raped.
" women are Like Plates, When it is Broken you throw it away. A woman who Allowed her self to be raped is broken, and has no place in society ever again, She brings nothing but shame to her family, and the only way to restore that honor is to Get rid of the source of that dishonor"

for a woman to prove that she was raped She has to have 4 male eye witnesses, to vouch for her. because in a court of law A woman's testimonial even DNA evidence can not convict a Man of rape, with out 4 other Male eye witnesses. SO Women who reports rape Will be arrested for Accusing a Man, Shes likely to be raped again In Jail, buy her Jailers because she s already been broken and her Honor lost so they see nothing wrong in re brutalizing her In jail.
If a Woman is raped, shes safer not to report it, and if she does not report it, and becomes pregnant, She is stoned for adultery. there is not winning for women in that Country. they have so thoroughly Fu-D up there religious teachings and Interpretations, that they think the Killing of your own child, that there supposed to LOVE can some how be condoned as Honorable rather than a cold Blooded STUPID Senseless MURDER.

there Logic is Sick and twisted. religion is a choice, between YOU and what ever version of god you seem him/her as.
CHOICE,..if You force some one to Obey, there is not salvation in that. they did not obey out of choice, for love of that truth or life style, or love of there version of god.
you can not force someone to be saved, In any religion, free will is the truth and key to choices about Obeying a religious teaching or standard. and that choice and what ever consequence happens because of those choices are Strictly between YOU and your,

reply to post by BobbiSnow1

We need to stop what's going on here, and STOP our religious and political leaders from persecuting gays in other countries, before we can throw stones from our glass houses at their tents, huts, and cultural beliefs.

I disagree with this notion. No nation or culture is perfect, nor will ever be. We do need to stop such despicable practices everywhere, including the west, but nothing would get done if we followed this logic of yours.

I find the FLDS and their behaviour with the young and teenagers through underage marriage, and their abuse of males and females through lack of education to be abhorrent. The ways they use to punish women for being disobedient to be utterly gross.

Abhorrent.

For political correctness reasons our governments continue to focus on the polygamy aspect of it. I care far less about four adults making time than I do about the oppressive cultural shielding of their "flock" from basic human rights and their civil rights as citizens.

Originally posted by ludwigvonmises003
and yet you americans and europeans support the sharia freaks in Libya and Syria...Disgusting you are the problem of the world americans.

I am not american. My country is in NATO.

I do not support what just happened in Libya. I do not support in anyway my country continuing to help enforce Shariah law, or giving Islamists covering fire while they attempt to create an Islamist Empire.

I am appalled. I am not anti-Western. I am not anti-democracy. I am not a socialist. I am not anti-military. I am not pro-Ghadafffi.

Some elitist Corporatists in a horrible Frankenstein marriage with left-wing lunatics have seriously overstepped themselves. The beast is off the leash.

Originally posted by spinkyboo

Originally posted by NuclearPaul
Somehow, I think the fact she fell in love with an enemy soldier had a lot to do with it.

The press can say what they want, but the fact is nobody welcomes foreign troops into their country that are there because they invaded.

Sorry, but this is a religious "law" issue - not an invasion issue.

Keep believing that the fact that it was with an enemy soldier had nothing to do with it. I'm pretty damn sure that if Muslims invaded the UK with force, there would be honour killings in the same manner there too (or anywhere, for that matter).

reply to post by Maslo


This is why Sharia Law must be totally outlawed in the United States.

nuff said.

reply to post by poundpuppy


Sharia freaks are beloved of USA in Libya,Syria opposition and Saudi Arabia.