$50,000 to Make a Movie

So the hugely popular movie/documentary What in the world are they spraying? cost $50,000 to make.

A fairly small budget as budgets go, but more than enough to actually prove the existence of chemtrails.

So why did they choose to miss this opportunity?

Could it be that they don't want to truth to be exposed?

Can't sell DVD's if it was known that chemtrails are a mere made up myth I suppose...

Over a year ago I presented to the pro-chemtrailers the clear cut way of proving the existence of chemtrails and it got shat on by these chemtrail "truth seekers".

It can be found HERE.

In summary I showed a study carried out on contrails and how the same method of study is the only way of proving chemtrails, namely taking air samples at the source.

I even provided a link to a company that has the aircraft and means to carry out such a test:

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Why aren't chemmies interested in the truth?

Why did the likes of G. Edward Griffin and Michael Murphy waste $50,000 on clouding the waters further when they could have blown the biggest conspiracy in the world wide open??

THe link doesnt work for me. Can you look into that?

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All links are working fine on my end...

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Works for me - goes to another ATS thread - try it without a name/disguise/whatever: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Come on...

No one wants to defend the honour of chemtrails?

why would someone defened a figment of the immangation ?
the only real cem trails will by planes spraying fields for bugs but even taht is to much lol.
reall cem trails so I gess our masters dontr breath teh same air we do

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Wow. Gotta love Aussies. Classic case of Attack The Messenger.

Sorry Chad but your OP is full of Fail.

A fairly small budget as budgets go, but more than enough to actually prove the existence of chemtrails.

This is a conspiracy is it not? So getting money to make the movie might prove difficult. And it's not even close to enough to "prove" the existence of Chemtrails.
Did you take into account the cost of things like
-Cameras
-Plane tickets
-Hotel Rooms
-Food
-Rental Cars
-Production of the DVD
-Much More

So why did they choose to miss this opportunity? Could it be that they don't want to truth to be exposed? Can't sell DVD's if it was known that chemtrails are a mere made up myth I suppose...

Choose to miss the opportunity?? WTH are you talking about. They are trying to spread information and figure out the truth because it is so obvious something is going on.
Don't want the truth exposed? ...that is laughable. Griffin and Murphy are searching for the truth just like the rest of us. Griffin donating any money goes to show he is willing to risk losing money for truth.

Also.... despite what you think they weren't out to make money. In fact they encouraged people to burn their disk and share it with others and not to worry about copyright. Hence the reason it is watchable for free all over the internet.

If you have some evidence that they made millions of dollars..... please present it.

Why aren't chemmies interested in the truth?

We are very interested in the truth.... struggling to fathom why you even said that.

As for your experiment..... it's not practical for us Average Joe's who need to work everyday to make a living.

Also ....in case you missed the many other posts about this topic....

We DON"T KNOW the Chemtrailers schedules. So to really be able to do the test ....

You would need a plane with a pilot ready to go on the spot when the Chemtrailers come out.

Obviously our skies are much different from Western Australia ...can you not comprehend that?

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It's simple: If you have that much money to spend on proving the chemtrail phenomenon is real, why not go for clear cut 100% undeniable proof...get a plane, get up into a 'chemtrail' and take samples??

If your looking fro the 'truth' and you have a budget of 50'000, then that would be the way to go, would it not?

I don't see your problem with what the OP is suggesting. If you really are looking for answers then you have to consider the point that there is possibly people trying to make money off, and/or spread lies/fear about, this subject.

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It's not simple. End of story.

Please enlighten us on how to "take samples" from a Chemtrail?

Keep in mind it has to be perfect and controlled perfectly so there is no arguing against the sample.

Also..... if you have read studies on Contrails then you know that those studies were preformed by Universities which were funded by NASA.

Not to mention they probably used pieces of equipment that cost $50,000 each.

The whole "it's simple ....just go get a sample up there between 20-40 thousand feet" ....is ridiculous.

and again..... PLEASE PROVE they are making money off of that movie ..... lol


...whatever little money they might make .... probably goes back into trying to find out the truth.

Originally posted by dplum517
Also..... if you have read studies on Contrails then you know that those studies were preformed by Universities which were funded by NASA.

Even the German studies?

elib.dlr.de...

I'm sorry, but contrails have been studied since the 1940s (and written about since the 1920s), by many institutions, and in many different countries.

Originally posted by dplum517
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It's not simple. End of story.

Please enlighten us on how to "take samples" from a Chemtrail?

Keep in mind it has to be perfect and controlled perfectly so there is no arguing against the sample.

Also..... if you have read studies on Contrails then you know that those studies were preformed by Universities which were funded by NASA.

Not to mention they probably used pieces of equipment that cost $50,000 each.

The whole "it's simple ....just go get a sample up there between 20-40 thousand feet" ....is ridiculous.

and again..... PLEASE PROVE they are making money off of that movie ..... lol

...whatever little money they might make .... probably goes back into trying to find out the truth.

edit on 7-11-2011 by dplum517 because: (no reason given)

I'm not saying they are making money, I'm just pointing out that there are charlatans everywhere. Why are you trying to defend the makers of this movie? You seem very touchy if somebody says something bad about 'What in the world are they spraying', hmm I think we have a case of 'believer' syndrome here folks.

Go on a holiday, take a break, have a wank, do something to take your mind off the 'truth' for a while kid.

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I'm not saying they are making money, I'm just pointing out that there are charlatans everywhere. Why are you trying to defend the makers of this movie? You seem very touchy if somebody says something bad about 'What in the world are they spraying', hmm I think we have a case of 'believer' syndrome here folks. Go on a holiday, take a break, have a wank, do something to take your mind off the 'truth' for a while kid.

I don't "feel" as touchy as my words seem to be coming across.

I just find it too obvious that debunkers who attack the "messenger" is all to predictable.

That's how you discredit things. Attack the people telling everyone.

I think it's ironic how you claim I am getting defensive about it when you and the debunkers are the ones who seem to truly hate this movie. It seems to drive them nuts. They of course have even gone so far as to say they have debunked the entire movie. Which is a bunch of crap.

Either way man ...since I am just a "kid" I will go back to being ignorant. /sarcasm

Taking a "holiday" would be exactly what all debunkers on this site want. For us to just go away. That way everything can go back to just being a contrail.

Originally posted by dplum517
They of course have even gone so far as to say they have debunked the entire movie.

Did we miss something?

Really the movie is terrible from a scientific basis. They do things like test sludge, and then act all surprised when it has a higher aluminum content than tap water.

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But why on earth do you believe what it says? It's one of the most distorted "documentaries" I've ever seen. Can you say with certainty that you're not in that state of mind that simply believes anything at all that goes against established knowledge, for no reason other than "the establishment always lies"?

Scepticism and an enquiring mind are good things, but what I've just described would be just as bad as unquestioning acceptance, wouldi you agree?

Originally posted by dplum517
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Wow. Gotta love Aussies. Classic case of Attack The Messenger.

No. I think questioning the actions of the messenger is appropriate. It's not (in my opinion) an ad hom.

Originally posted by dplum517

Please enlighten us on how to "take samples" from a Chemtrail?

Given that chemtrails have been sprayed all over the world since the mid 1990s (?) the most obvious course of action would be to examine ice cores from various parts of the world.

That's what I'd do. The evidence so produced would be very compelling.

Edit: unless chemtrails are deadly dihydrogen monoxide crystals mixed with elements of aviation fuel and other known pollutants from aircraft engines.

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I don't necessarily "believe" everything that movie said. But I do think they had a noble purpose in the sense of them trying to get to the truth.

I simply watched the movie and absorbed the information with a healthy dose of skepticism.


I have said in previous posts that I know about Chemtrails because of what I have seen with my own eyes and the life experiences I have had around aviation.

In other words ...... no one ever convinced me of Chemtrails ...... I came to that conclusion myself through observation and research.

...a few of my personal observations are at the bottom of the linked thread.

Originally posted by dplum517
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It's not simple. End of story.

Please enlighten us on how to "take samples" from a Chemtrail?

Keep in mind it has to be perfect and controlled perfectly so there is no arguing against the sample.

Thats quite ironic, considering the chemmies who stick open water bowls outside, then send the water samples to get testing, and claim that is sampling chemtrails.

If it is as impossible to sample contrails as you say, then basically none of the chemmies have the slightest bit of actual testing in reality, even though they try to claim they do.

Its ironic if he spent 50000 dollars making a movie, when you can get an mineralogy textbook or even go to websites for free, and see that aluminum minerals are naturally part of the earths crust. He has been informed numerous times since, and he has to realize it, but he avoid any questions along those lines.

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Maybe they did have a noble purpose, I can accept that it's possible they really believe what they said. But when the methods used are so wrong, leading to conclusions that are equally wrong, why do they get a free pass from you when you don't seem able to find any factual inaccuracies in the meteorological science that is provided by such as uncinus and freebird? This is an anomaly that I find odd.

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I think you missed the whole idea Chad suggested. The movie was made and it did have a budget of $50,000. So that money was raised and it was spent. The thought process is one that most of us who don't believe in fairies, Santa Claus, or chemtrails have. We believe that in order to prove or disprove their existence, one would have to take samples of a trail left in the sky by a plane that fits your criteria of a chemtrail. Once that was done at several locations, with multiple samples taken, there should be no problem providing the source and structure of a "chemtrail". then you would either be a hero or a zero. But it's painfully obvious that the charlatans of the chemtrail fantasy want to keep their myth going, so they provide innuendo and supposition instead of proof.

Be ware of the underpants gnomes.