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parrhesia won by a clear mile, it really come across that JS didn't believe what he was debating and at times it was kind of confusing what he was saying. Kudos should go to JS though for setting aside his response in the wake of parrhesia's absence, that was very noble.
I really enjoyed reading this debate - both parrhesia and JOHNSmith are to be commended for their efforts.
This was a difficult judging at first, then JOHNSmith gave what appeared to be contradictory statements to the benefit of parrhesia.
JOHNSmith gave a strong closing statement but it was not enough to overcome parrhesias argument. Perhaps JOHNSmith should not have forfeited after parrhesia.
Comments- John performed well for the first few posts, when I came upon Par's forfiet I figured she was going to go downhill but it was the other way around. John skirted around a few points. His lose came for Parrhesia's qoute
"You’ve failed to provide myself, as well as the judges, with the definition of democracy which you have been working with during the course of this debate. Had you provided it, it would have aided in my understanding of your argument, which is still lacking. "
A good debate. I placed my vote with parrhesia because I felt that she made a better argument and did a better job of convincing me of her side.
parrhesia seemed to be on top of the subject and handled herself well in this debate. My vote goes to parrhesia.
Parrhesia showed that there is some abuse of this system. Johnsmith on the other hand provided the better arguement that the voice of the people isn't muted by SI groups. Winner JOHNsmith.
It was a good debate, but I felt that JohnSmith failed to focus on his argument. Parrhesia was correct that the harm or benefit of special interest groups in of themselves is irrelevant. It's their impact that detracts the whole of democracy, which she supported well. John Smith didn't quite grasp that point and slowly dug himself in the mud. I found this admission from Mr. Smith most painful, "They obvious[ly] have a lot more money and money is a lot of the time the grease on the wheels of demcrocrey."
But all in all, decent debate. I hope to see Smith around next time.