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Executions: Saddam Hussein's regime has carried out frequent summary executions:
-4,000 prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison in 1984
-3,000 prisoners at the Mahjar prison from 1993-1998
-2,500 prisoners were executed between 1997-1999 in a "prison cleansing campaign"
-122 political prisoners were executed at Abu Ghraib prison in February/March 2000
-At least 130 Iraqi women were beheaded between June 2000 and April 2001
"Rape is used as a tool to humiliate the woman, but to also bring men into submission," Hussain said. To compound the humiliation, authorities would videotape the torture and rape and send the tape to family members.
"I am against war, since war means destruction, hurt and ruin. Nobody should like war especially when all the great powers of the world gang up against one country in an unequal war and try to destroy all signs of progress and make the country go back to the middle ages. People are starving to death and inflation is murder. Missiles and bombs do not think, they hit and explode-whether you are military or civilian, sick or well, old or young, men or women, you die. Where do you go to hide?"
A total of 9,752 prisoners executed under the rule of Hussein. An atrocious number, but let me give you a number, 13,802. That is the number of civilian casualties since the invasion of the US and it's "Coalition of the Willing." 13,802 civilian deaths since March of 2003. That is more than the total number of Hussein's executions since 1984.
Let me give you another number, 1,110. That is the number of soldier deaths, including 979 of those that were Americans
As of August 14, 2004 the Department of Defense estimates that more than 6,000 soldiers have suffered severe injuries in this war.
Economic Security – not only for America, but for the global economy that depends on a strong US dollar before we run the risk of placing an untested currency on the world market. Not only was Saddam attempting to buy support against war, but with strengthening Iran thrown in, the region was, and has been, unstable
Atrocities committed by Saddam – Needless to say, something had to be done about the obscene treatment, torture, murder, and refugee situation in Iraq. That is of no contest regardless of affiliation.
Support of Terrorism – In the war against Terror, there is no argument that it needs to be fought. When a country defies the UN repeatedly, supports terrorism and the murder of innocent lives, unilateral action must be taken.
I found this debate quite entertaining and enlightening. I congratulate both participants on doing a great job presenting their arguments. Despite my own personal beliefs and opinions on this particualr matter, I voted for deeprivergal for presenting a more persuasive argument/stance.
Very close and heated. KJ in my opnion is the winner, he provided alot of data and did a great job answering DRG's questions. DRG did well but she compared to KJ had less data to support her cause. Very close one.
deeprivergal scored some very palpable hits, but on balance KrazyJethro was able to parry and hit his points home. KrazyJethro gets my vote on this tough, "Ripped from the Headlines" topic. Very good work on both sides.
Although I don't agree with the politics of KJ's arguments his debating style was by far the best, and so my vote goes to him on general merit although it pains me to do so.
KJ was deft and in control of the entire debate. Around the 3 rd post, rivergal started to break up: " This fight wasn't about the deaths of children though, it was about weapons of mass destruction, right? " She shifts focus on death and to weapons of mass destruction. However, she focused on the death and horror women must go through as a reason the war is not justified.
She also fails to seperate the ongoing from the previous; the basis for any justification always lies in the past, not the present. KJ has pointed this out.
Rivergal made some good points but failed to address KJ's stance. For that reason she was chopped down and dismissed. The winner is KJ.
I enjoyed reading this one. deeprivergal made a good case, highlighting important facts and responding well to her opponent. However, Jethro gets my vote on this one. Although he took the view opposite of my own, I felt that he researched it very well and presented an organized and well structured argument.
This was a though one to gauge, both KrazyJethro and deeprivergal did an exellent job for their respective sides. It came down to the economic point and I thought that KrazyJethro addressed this better. Very good debate.