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I suppose I am spoiled by the fastidious research and formatting pf previous debates. This one was a street brawl! Congratulations to both for rising to the challenge of entering the tournament, though.
I have to give this one to Rain King. Of the two he had the most structured and logical arguments and the best talking points.
Chebob pretty much shot himself in the foot by allowing 1 year compulsory P.E. He is now arguing against the proposition in a very weak and diluted form. His argument begins to fragment as he considers alternatives.
RainKing sharpens his prose as the debate continues. With his effective counters and critical analysis, I believe he has argued effectively; more so than Chebob.
On the whole this was a sub-par debate. It was hampered by a lack of thoroughness and critical evaluation.
While both presented very well organized and factual arguements, I felt that Cehbob provided the better arguement for his side. He presented many differnt theories,facts, and ideas to bolster his defence of his position. His defence nearly made me swing to his side. Rain King performed well but he seemed to focus on a few benefits for his position.
Not the best debate unfortunately. chebob didn't help his cause by admitting he believed the affirmative in his closing statement, not the wisest thing to do.
The problem is that the issue and needs for PE are much different in the UK and US, so I had to go with the cultural argument I understood most.
The debate was a 'so-so' and both participants could have utilized online data to further their positions/arguments. Other than that, both members and debate participants did quite well. My hats off to both. As such, I found Rain King's argument to be more persuasive.
Chebob, arguing against his own feelings, made good points and addressed the topic well, however, in my opinion; Rain King presented a better and more convincing argument.
Note for future debates: Never concede your argument and announce that you are for the other side.
p.s. offer a conversion for the Americans - £10, 2p, 18 stone?
The debate suffered under the problems arising from the differences between the American and English PhysEd.
The questions in this debate seemed to me: "Is PhysEd an effective way to decrease obesity and will making it compulsory increase the effectiveness?" and "Are there better alternatives to making PhysEd compulsory?" Rain King showed that it probably is effective, since it is designed to increase fitness. He then goes on assume that making it compulsory will increase the effectiveness. This is the logical conclusion, but I would have liked it more if Rain King showed some evidence that it does work.
That brings me to a comment I have on both participants. You both didn't use any external links, any references whatsoever. I think this is important. Back up your statements! More structure in your posts and maybe some more rhetorics (e.g. personal examples) would also help.
The second question was answered by chebob. He proposed other solutions to the problem. Diet does play a large role in obesity, as does exercise. I think Rain King responded well that schools can't help by controlling the diet, but that they can help using compulsory exercise. Overall, I found Rain King more convincing and I have decided that he has won this debate.
I think chebob makes a fine point that the topic was not well defined in the beginning – are we talking about UK or USA? However, chebob is responsible for not making that distinction, and arguing the fact sooner in the debate.
chebob lost the debate in his/her second post when it was basically agreed that kids need to take PE – just not take it together with the “fit” kids.
I think the debate lost sight of itself early on. The true topic was not whether PE was good/bad – but whether it should be REQUIRED in a school setting.
Rain King wins on several fronts. Good rebuttals to each point, a use of statistics and data to support assertions, and a strong line of communication.
I'm going to have to say that I like Rain King on this one.
His points were just more salient, and, though I hate to say it, I don't think chebob had the right perspective on the situation, as he's in the UK...
The US and UK systems are really, really different, and I have no experience with the UK one, just the hell I went through here in the US.
Alright, I'll just have to say that it didn't seem that chebob was reading everything. I think he was just a bit too excited to hold it down and read EVERYTHING Rain King posted.
Good job by both, though.