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reply posted on 5-11-2011 @ 05:58 PM by ANOK
How twisted politics has become in the US.

Big government is a liberal idea?

The term 'liberal' I am assuming the guy meant 'lefty'?

Traditionally the left is less authority, anarchism being the extreme. Right wing is more authority, fascism being its extreme.

I really have a hard time understanding where Americans are coming from with politics. I guess because it's all based on state propaganda and not reality? It's certainly not based on any history pre-1950's, when the right appropriated, from the left, terms like 'libertarian' as theirs. Sometimes you talk like classic lefties, but you praise capitalism and the right. You think the left means big government, when in reality the opposite is true anywhere else in the world. Who uses terms like 'big government' anyway, sounds like 5th grade politics.

The left/right associated with the two party system bares little resemblance to what left/right really means.
Both parties are right wing, the 'left' being a little left of the right doesn't make them truly left wing. They are both still past the center into right wing authoritative, not libertarian, systems. Capitalism doesn't make a system libertarian either, it can be as totalitarian as socialism can be. Capitalism does not guarantee freedom, it only guarantees that private owners can exploit labour. It is only because of labour organization that we do have 'freedoms'. Otherwise you'd still be working in sweat shops all hours of the day for a dollar an hour, a little bit like what they are doing to workers in China.


reply posted on 5-11-2011 @ 08:30 PM by jude11
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Liberal = Lefty?

Yeah, no idea there either but it sounds good.

Thanks for your input.

Peace


reply posted on 5-11-2011 @ 11:17 PM by ANOK
Originally posted by jude11
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Liberal = Lefty?

Yeah, no idea there either but it sounds good.

Thanks for your input.

Peace



So liberals are right wingers? I always thought in America liberals were lefties? Conservative right, liberal left, no?


reply posted on 6-11-2011 @ 12:51 AM by The Old American
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She was a perfect example of liberal thought: you can't possibly understand how to take care of yourself, so I'm going to force this person to force you to understand. Adam Kokesh is a hero.

/TOA


reply posted on 6-11-2011 @ 01:27 AM by jude11
Originally posted by ANOK
Originally posted by jude11
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Liberal = Lefty?

Yeah, no idea there either but it sounds good.

Thanks for your input.

Peace



So liberals are right wingers? I always thought in America liberals were lefties? Conservative right, liberal left, no?


No, I was just having a goofy moment. Meant to say that left, right are both the same. No such thing as left or right anymore.




reply posted on 6-11-2011 @ 01:34 AM by TheWalkingFox
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American politics works like this.

Right = supposedly nonexistent
Conservative - real Americans
liberals = leftists
leftists = whatever the right, I mean, conservatives claim they are.

Confused? Good, so are we.
edit on 6/11/2011 by TheWalkingFox because: (no reason given)



reply posted on 6-11-2011 @ 01:55 AM by jude11
Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
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post by ANOK



American politics works like this.

Right = supposedly nonexistent
Conservative - real Americans
liberals = leftists
leftists = whatever the right, I mean, conservatives claim they are.

Confused? Good, so are we.
edit on 6/11/2011 by TheWalkingFox because: (no reason given)


Perfect!


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