OWS leading the way to darkness and dictatorship

reply to post by projectvxn

This seems to be the same mantra spoken by OWSers who don't want to admit to any lawlessness. It's all "provocateurs" and never a product of their own doing. You start a movement, let anyone in without question, and then expect things to stay calm.

oh, golly at the irony

you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear projecttvxn

this isn't a Marxist uprising - no matter how much you wish it were.

and spreading fear is a tactic many people use - it's not just a communist tool - is it?

Either show your proof that this is a plan for dictatorship in the US or else stop now and go away!

reply to post by Sweetmystery

The driving force of this war has very little to do with natural aspirations of people for better lives and greater freedoms. If at all, these aspirations are being used and taken advantage of by the manipulators and progenitors of the war. The real driving force of this war of aggression is IDEOLOGY-- something you cannot eat, wear or store for a "rainy day." An integral part of this war of ideology is IDEOLOGICAL SUBVERSION-- the process of changing the perception of reality in the minds of millions of peoples all over the world. The late comrade Andropov, the former head of the Soviet KGB, called this war of Communist aggression, "the final struggle for the MINDS and hearts of the people."

The reason that I am so certain of the real goal of Communist aggression is that I was actually a part and an unwilling instrument of Soviet subversion tactics. Having been trained and used by the KGB for their global ideological subversion campaign, I have some first¬hand knowledge about the people behind this war and the methods they use. I know very well the way the Communists, whom the Western media call "freedom fighters" and "rebels," operate. I know their mentality and their methods, I know their ultimate goals, which are very far from the liberty, equality and freedom they verbally espouse. Because I have seen the tragic consequences of this war of ideological subversion, I would like to offer some suggestions as to how we in the United States can DEFEND ourselves against this deadly war and how we can SURVIVE in this "final struggle for minds and hearts."

IDEOLOGICAL SUBVERSION-- the process of changing the perception of reality in the minds of millions of peoples all over the world.........

I see this happening.

S&F

Originally posted by sonnny1

IDEOLOGICAL SUBVERSION-- the process of changing the perception of reality in the minds of millions of peoples all over the world.........

It happened in the 60's www.abovetopsecret.com...

This current incarnation has been ongoing for just over 25 years, IMO.

It's not just Russian in origin, and of course very few like yourself can see it... It is even harder to prove.

Of course, the capitalist USA, is the greatest evil on the planet, fabricated the 9/11 attacks out of thin air to justify spreading democracy and for claiming the resources of the Middle East by force... Even many Americans will now agree, the USA is one of the, if not the most evil and hated country on the planet, and it hasn't taken long to convince them.

Capitalism is responsible alone for the bad economy, corporate greed and American capitalist pigs have caused all of this alone... and of course the Banksters (most evil of all)

Only more forms of entitlements, socialism and communism can save our country now. Along with a bigger more powerful than ever before government that can control and regulate everything, in every aspect of our lives and also provide for us everything we need, including jobs and higher education... To ultimately redistribute the wealth and power of the elite and greedy capitalists to all of the people for "economic equality"... Ultimately fulfilling the dreamland utopia that has been implanted in the minds of a great many.

Yada, yada, and blah blah!

reply to post by Sweetmystery


Very informative thread. However OWS is such a mix of people and ideas I don't see them being very powerful. It is true that Al Gore called for it and anyone who knows his history has no doubt he is a total communist. They also know he is a complete failure. Obama supports OWS with his ties to Liberation Theology and other violent leftist supporters it would not be a stretch to see violence in the streets if they allow this group to infiltrate. Violence yes but a lot of power no. Acorn has been busted attempting to lead the OWS group and paying people to go into the streets they are currently in damage control. Soros has been proven to be involved with his financial generosity being spread around. The list goes on. There is no doubt that the leftist, globalists, communist connection is there. However there is becoming a struggle on the street among ideas and what it all means.

Originally posted by Fractured.Facade


Capitalism is responsible alone for the bad economy, corporate greed and American capitalist pigs have caused all of this alone... and of course the Banksters (most evil of all)

I am sure 99% of OWS will agree with this response...........

Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by Fractured.Facade


Capitalism is responsible alone for the bad economy, corporate greed and American capitalist pigs have caused all of this alone... and of course the Banksters (most evil of all)

I am sure 99% of OWS will agree with this response...........

and I'm 99% sure you actually believe what you just said

but it's just more trash talk

Do you think any other movement - including the Tea Party - is made up of people that speak with a single voice? That all agree with each other completely? That have the same response in all scenarios and propose the same solutions each and every time?

Why would you realistically expect different from OWS?

More to the point - why keep harping on this one perspective while ignoring all the rest?

I realize it's probably the most useful to you - but if that's you're only argument you're going to run out of steam because it won't hold up long term

This isn't a hippie sit-in...sorry to disappoint

:-)

reply to post by Spiramirabilis

Capitalism is responsible alone for the bad economy, corporate greed and American capitalist pigs have caused all of this alone... and of course the Banksters (most evil of all)

So, do you agree with any or all of the above?

If so, please elaborate, and explain why as best you can.

If not, do the same... If you want to, of course.

Originally posted by Spiramirabilis


and I'm 99% sure you actually believe what you just said

This started on Wall Street,right? Hence the NAME?

What part of "Eating the rich","down with Bankers" didnt you hear? I dont see mass protests on Obama,and his FAILED policy's. I dont see masses camping out at the FED in DC. Do you know they gave banks/Corporations 16 trillion SECRETLY? I don't see ANYONE asking for the immediate resignation of those who made the Laws that promote Bankers and Corporations to do their thing. So yes,I do believe what I said is right.

Is what I said really trash?

reply to post by sonnny1


The Fed money the Govt wasn't allowed to know about while the policies of Obama or any admin for that matter were ordered, created in some boardroom in Wall Street.

All roads lead to Wall Street is true!

To occupy the White House is utterly useless and ineffective as all the banks have to do is find another puppet with nothing changed!

Originally posted by Fractured.Facade
reply to post by Spiramirabilis

 

Capitalism is responsible alone for the bad economy, corporate greed and American capitalist pigs have caused all of this alone... and of course the Banksters (most evil of all)

So, do you agree with any or all of the above?

If so, please elaborate, and explain why as best you can.

If not, do the same... If you want to, of course.

if I want to... :-) of course - and thank you for the 'as best you can'...it's as if you know me

I recently just explained to someone that my understanding of how money works is so poor that you could argue I don't deserve money. I'm an artist – not an economist - so, nothing fancy then...

Socialism...gotta say - I feel pretty warm and fuzzy about most of it. I'm a humanist first and foremost - and so naturally it appeals to me. But I don't think it's workable. At least - not for long

I'm no communist, I don't believe in redistributing wealth - it doesn't work, and it’s flat out wrong

So, when you ask if I agree with the above statement – I’ll say I agree that greed is an issue, but greed is a natural human tendency – to want more is a basic part of being human. How can it be denied? You can’t force people to want less, or to share. You can only ensure that people play fairly

I think Capitalism is the way to go – it’s the most natural, and can provide for everyone one way or another

I see it as being very much like nature actually – checks and balances, supply and demand - boom and bust :-)

It’s humanistic – in as much as it allows us to be human, and thrive – with a little bit of survival of the fittest thrown in. As long as those that aren’t fittest aren’t thrown to the wolves – or kicked out to sea on an ice floe - I’m all in

So, I agree and disagree. Greed isn’t an American thing – but it’s pretty easy to point fingers at us right now – and maybe we’ve earned that. Capitalism allowed the greedy to work their magic- and most people didn’t see what was happening until it was too late. Myself included – because most of us don’t really know what to look for – myself included

I’ve mentioned elsewhere on ATS that I have family members that nearly lost everything in the WorldCom mess – that, and the current economic situation has forced me to look at some things differently. Mostly, it’s forced me to look. But as with most situations – it’s hard to name an enemy – or pinpoint who was the most wrong – and when – and where...I think most of us just go with the flow until that’s no longer possible. And as has also been pointed out – many of us have to share some responsibility in all this – and not just look for monsters

So – let the corporations be greedy – as long as they’re also honest, it can still work for all of us

But I feel very strongly about the OWS movement – because in truth – I think most people involved or supporting it see that it’s a shared responsibility to right this ship – I’d hate to see something that could ultimately be useful destroyed because of rhetoric and partisan politics

how'd I do Fractured.Facade?

:-)

Originally posted by Spiramirabilis

how'd I do Fractured.Facade?

:-)

Very well done, thank you for taking the time to respond.

i love this.....
this thread and others that demonize OWS are acually helping the cause,
why?
because people see the concerted effort going on to demonize the movement,
and wounder
why?
they then get curious,
and ask why is it nessacery to use fear and hate and names to attack a piecefull movement,

so please keep trying to demonize OWS as anti capitalism,
because it clearly shows that you have no understanding of socialism for the rich and capitalizm for the poor,

and its so obvious (the attacks) that people are now asking why are people so scared they have to use demonizing attacks to try to stem the growing influence of OWS.

so the louder you cry foul, the more people will see
the more you demonize the more people will see
the more threads hating on OWS
the more people will look into it

i laugh at the idea that OWS is not going to work....
look at all you guys discussing OWS,
if it was not going somewhere, why do you feel so threatened?

why do you feel the need to attack these people as anti capitalism?
is that the boogie word that will get people to look away?

most know the problem,
most people know that anti capotalist is a smear,

so please be aware that this thread does the exact opposite to its intention
people like me read it and go,

why all the effort to smear if OWS was not a threat as you claim?

i think you duth protest to much and make people curious about why this is nessacery

keep up the good work and keep debating OWS as this will draw even more attension to the movement
ps thanks

xploder

Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by Fractured.Facade


Capitalism is responsible alone for the bad economy, corporate greed and American capitalist pigs have caused all of this alone... and of course the Banksters (most evil of all)

I am sure 99% of OWS will agree with this response...........

lol
you take things out of context,
socialism for the rich = bail outs
capitalism for the poor = lose you job, house and medical

its not anti capitalism,
clearly stated so you cant get this wrong again,

socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor

is that simple enough for you?

or do you prefer shorter, to make sure there is no mistake in translation,
capitalism for all

not two sets of rules

thank you in advance

xploder

reply to post by Spiramirabilis


List of groups supporting OWS

List of crimes and criminal activity at various OWS events

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by Spiramirabilis

 

List of groups supporting OWS

List of crimes and criminal activity at various OWS events

list of crimes of the bankers,
fraud
bribary
tax evasion
illegal bailouts
market minipulation
corupting regulators
forcing comodity prices higher for profit forcing many to go hungry
obsene bounuses
treason against america
corrption of the political process

list of crimes of the politicians
bribes
tax evation
insider trading
relaxing regulations at the request of the bankers
failure to faithfully exicute the political office
failure to adher to the constition

list of crimes of the poliece
using undue force against protestors
using illegal ordinaces on protestors
canceling tickets for mates
selling drugs
violence

so by using your "tar all with the same brush" type thinking,
all bankers are criminals
all politicians are criminals
all poliece are criminals

i KNOW this is not so,
only a very small percent is acually criminal
do you really beleive all OWSers are criminal?

or is this just a generalization to make all look bad?

xploder

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by Spiramirabilis

 

List of groups supporting OWS

List of crimes and criminal activity at various OWS events

i wounder if you are really blind to the biggist criminals,
you know the ones who subverted govenment?
do you have any idea who i mean?

where has the wealth of the solders gone?
what about the poliece?
what about the everyman?

do the little guys have the power to be the biggest criminals?
or do those in power have the ability to be the bigger criminals?

i am asking directly to vixon

xploder

reply to post by XPLodER

only a very small percent is acually criminal do you really beleive all OWSers are criminal?

Not at all.

But I will not support a movement that, rather than expelling these groups, and condemning these acts, welcomes the extremist leftists:



Or simply sweeps the crimes under the rug:

Baltimore Sun

Efforts by the Occupy Baltimore protest group to evolve into a self-contained, self-governing community have erupted into controversy with the distribution of a pamphlet that victim advocates and health workers fear discourages victims of sexual assaults from contacting police.

The pamphlet says that members of the protest group who believe they are victims or who suspect sexual abuse "are encouraged to immediately report the incident to the Security Committee," which will investigate and "supply the abuser with counseling resources."

reply to post by XPLodER

i wounder if you are really blind to the biggist criminals, you know the ones who subverted govenment? do you have any idea who i mean?

I don't qualify one wrong with another.

I also don't jump on leftist band wagons.

reply to post by projectvxn


The government of North Korea?

:-)

oh, how could I have been so wrong?

you've given me something to think about - and saved me from doing wrong

thanks projectvxn - I owe you a good turn