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posted on Nov, 5 2011 @ 07:39 PM
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reply to post by TheWalkingFox
 


You are in a place that is far, far right leaning.. Just as a test make some liberal styled threads and wach the attacks start.. What i find funny in it, people on ats sit all day talking about the "MSM" and how the rest of the world so blind to what really going on.. Sorry, but the only ones i see brainwashed are the people here.

Why is it so easy? Think about where we are.. We are in a place whos members already dont trust the gov, buy up conspirecy theory books left and right (because they want to buy into an idea) and then pretends to be above others or in some secred sect of information holders everyone else just too dumb to ever get..

Sorry, but that makes it easy to sell votes here by playing on a distrust thats already present.




posted on Nov, 5 2011 @ 07:40 PM
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Originally posted by neo96


This song represents OWS.


umm neo you do know what projection is
do you?



posted on Nov, 5 2011 @ 07:48 PM
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Noam Chomsky endorses the Government's official version of 911 and tells us not to question that. He says some good things. I trust him like I trust Bill Maher. Maher was a 911 truther until they set him straight.



posted on Nov, 5 2011 @ 07:49 PM
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please don't link anarchism with communism as that is erroneous
you should be aware that when Russia fell to communism
the 1st to be gotten rid of were

that's right the anarchists

theosophy my that explains you're "contradictions"
thanks for clearing that up

very informative thread



posted on Nov, 5 2011 @ 07:49 PM
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Why did the poor white man fight for the Confederacy? Your answer lies there.



posted on Nov, 5 2011 @ 07:50 PM
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Originally posted by ShogunAssassins

Why is it so easy? Think about where we are.. We are in a place whos members already dont trust the gov, buy up conspirecy theory books left and right (because they want to buy into an idea) and then pretends to be above others or in some secred sect of information holders everyone else just too dumb to ever get..


Might I refer you to this supporter of the OWS 'movement'? Along with the hoax pictures I think the following quote/poster is the epitome of your point (though it also disproves your conclusion):



Originally posted by Unknown Soldier
AMEN to that! Star and flag for you well put!

Just goes to show how many people ain't "bout it" and really side with the system in the end. ATS is not what you think, it is a social experiment imho. As you can see there is a smear campaign being played out here by corporate/banking sympathizers as well as hired sock puppets. To be perfectly realistic there is going to be a percentage of elitists here as well as sock puppets so it just comes with the territory. In other words, if they are hating you then you are doing something right!

They are FAIL

We are a reality, we have taken to the streets world wide.. they just regurgitate propaganda on web sites
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posted on Nov, 5 2011 @ 07:53 PM
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Are you saying ATS is not right leaning? Because that more what my comment was about.



posted on Nov, 5 2011 @ 07:53 PM
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thanks for joining in

agree with your comment on chomsky

the problem here like with most revolutions is that the teachers don't teach,
they show the ways and the hows

but most hop on thinking they'll be led somewhere instead of putting into practice what they've been shown
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posted on Nov, 5 2011 @ 07:56 PM
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You seem really nonjudgmental.
I think you should go back to GLP where they all hate OWS; Enjoy the PsyOps.

If you didn't realize, the media is "STARTING" to back OWS because millions of people are waking up.
It cannot be kept quiet for too long; An Idea Whose Time Has Come, Cannot Be Stopped By Any Army Or Any Government”

There are many people protesting there who don't 'know' what's going on, but subconsciously know there's something wrong with the world. I don't blame them, they can protest to, it only helps the cause.
I'm sorry but the disinformation has gone to your head.


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posted on Nov, 5 2011 @ 07:58 PM
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reply to post by sonnny1
 


OK hoax or not there are indeed thousands in the streets you deny this? Remember we are all a bunch of pot smoking hippies drinking 40's in the streets ... oh wait no now we are no longer there! No no no we dont exist


Whats it going to be?

Typical straw man response


reply to post by relpobre000
 


Refer to my response to sonnny1, maybe you two should go bowling together
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posted on Nov, 5 2011 @ 08:01 PM
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I'm sorry but you seem to have lost your credibility.
Doing a little research before you post 'proof' of your point really goes a long way.
For the sake of civility, I'll leave it at that.



posted on Nov, 5 2011 @ 08:02 PM
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one might say the major problem of the majority of the human race is the wanting and insistence, thereupon,

of having it both ways.



posted on Nov, 5 2011 @ 08:04 PM
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You are my hero of the day! That's all I really wanted to say but since I need to contribute something I will say that I agree that there needs to be a focused goal, or nothing will be accomplished. I admire those who work hard and fight for what they believe in. On the other hand, I know a lot of people who are fully capable of working but would rather sit around and do drugs and get hand-outs. People like that feel like they deserve a piece of the pie but I work too hard for my money, and I would rather burn every dollar I have than see people like that get more hand-outs taken from my paycheck.



posted on Nov, 5 2011 @ 08:06 PM
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Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
My friend, you seem to be missing my point, and that is that plenty of these so called "99%" are espousing ideological arguments, and I have no issue with this at all. What I take issue with is that others come along and claim there is no ideological campaigns coming out of the movement, but from my point of view, and many, many, others, this could not be further than the truth, and we see, hear and read plenty of ideological mantras and arguments coming from this "movement'.


I am fairly sure that I wasn't saying that there are no ideological campaigns coming from this movement. There are many that are espousing their own concerns and bias because there is a platform. That will happen and can be expected. I was merely attending to your use of the terms "capitalism and corporatism"..

I can agree that many are out there who don't understand the difference much less comprehend the interplays of economics with politics. That does not, in my opinion, detract from the very essence of the complaint. The complaint is real and for the first time in modern American History we have people talking about it en masse...this is a very relevant point and we can analyze the current movement as it exists all day long but the truth of the matter is that it is going to get more intricate and a percentage of the people I find as "not getting it" will indeed be drawn in and get it...one of my only laments, currently, is that more of them don't have access to hippy perspective. Now, I am not a hippy but damn they bring up great points at times...



You know, I would love to stop placing quotation marks around the word "movement' in regards to this "OWS" thing, but as long as so many keep insisting that ideology has nothing to do with, then what shall we call it? Movement, in this context, means A series of actions and events taking place over a period of time and working to foster a principle or policy: a movement toward world peace, or an organized effort by supporters of a common goal: a leader of the labor movement, for example. No matter how you slice it, if this thing is going to be a movement, ideology is going to have to come into play.


I still have issues with the term. At the end of the day it is a matter of people taking advantage of people for monetary gain...the difference between a CEO stating that a five dollar fee on a debit card is necessary for every new account holder when their account holders work their asses off day in and day out for their paycheck as opposed to trying to placate shareholders.

There is the difference...and education is a big part of this discrepancy...I truly want Bertrand Russell to end up being wrong...same with Orwell...



What will they be teaching each other. Quite a few have made it clear I have nothing to teach, so I ask you my trusted friend, what is being taught?


First off, My Friend, Those who think you have nothing to teach aren't paying attention enough. Second...the "teaching" is the end of bias and regional bias that effect the masses. The teaching is generational and where are fathers held the status quo war after war, we shall now find and propagate the economic motivations for such...making mainstream media propagation less and less effective through out the years. No one said that this was going to happen over night...Hell...We Still have to infiltrate the View...



The pretense that the protestors are not using their wealth to gain access to governmental favor is most annoying. Frankly, I struggle to make money and pay the bills and each week struggle through several days where I very well may not eat that day, so obviously no one is speaking of me, but while I listen to these claims I see a bunch of people that want government to a bunch of things that amount to business as usual, only, and annoyingly so, more of it.


Lobbiyists get paid to gain political favor on behalf of their employers. I'm not wasting any of my money (which amounts to less than zero) trying to fight this established protocol...not yet...



I stand my ground on this and still do not see anyone declaring that corporatism has to end, only that the collusion between one legal artifice and another has to somehow stop.


You do know that Corporations have declared themselves a votable entity? Money begets "legal artifice"...and that is the point...More money in Military (R&D tech-wise) and less in Education (Humans are the most viable resource...I guess, unless you have to feed them...?!?)

My friend...we don't necessarily disagree...but I am sure I wanted to clarify some of my points...



posted on Nov, 5 2011 @ 08:06 PM
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Originally posted by relpobre000
reply to post by Unknown Soldier
 


I'm sorry but you seem to have lost your credibility.
Doing a little research before you post 'proof' of your point really goes a long way.
For the sake of civility, I'll leave it at that.


How is that? I know it is a hoax derp! But like the photo the little dot as representative as you is also not really a person at all either. It is a "example" how many vs how many and had I posted a painting, photoshop was not the point... I did not say "ohhhh look this is a real photo from google earth" lol. At the same time you did not bother at all addressing what i said, you are grasping at straws. Now grab your straw man manual and find a new excuse!

Why are you defending the elite?

ps these people are not real

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posted on Nov, 5 2011 @ 08:09 PM
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while i agree with much you're saying [and 100% what you're doing]

it has to be admitted, in all fairness, that at least you can't get banned for expressing an opinion concerning one side or the other, as is done amongst the hordes of GuLP



posted on Nov, 5 2011 @ 08:09 PM
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Originally posted by Unknown Soldier
reply to post by sonnny1
 


OK hoax or not there are indeed thousands in the streets you deny this? Remember we are all a bunch of pot smoking hippies drinking 40's in the streets ... oh wait no now we are no longer there! No no no we dont exist


Whats it going to be?

Typical straw man response




Hmmmmm

Posting a "FAKE" pic to justifies the "millions" is beyond straw-man my friend.
Thousands? Sure. Thousands with no direction ? You bet. BTW, I dont believe you are ALL hippies drinkin 40's in the streets. I believe there are many pissed off Americans that havnt realized that LACK of direction,will get them nowhere. I do believe 100% that the propaganda you said is taking place,is also done by OWS Sympathizers,as your pic so helpfully illustrated. Stay true.........



posted on Nov, 5 2011 @ 08:11 PM
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Thank you, truly, for such a well written post. I'm impressed. You made a remarkable point, but how wonderful to see you can spell and express yourself so well. You write well, too.

I totally agre with you.

I'm so glad to see the sleeping masses awaken. Who cares about their political affiliation? At least SOMEONE in this country is taking a stand and letting their voice be heard.

The rest of us are watching Dancing with the Stars and complaining about how horrible the world is.



posted on Nov, 5 2011 @ 08:15 PM
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Originally posted by Unknown Soldier
At the same time you did not bother at all addressing what i said, you are grasping at straws. Now grab your straw man manual and find a new excuse!



That's the thing though, try as I might to decipher something of substance from your writing I could not. I always marvel at someone who can speak without saying much...

You spouted the internet tough guy Anonymous line 'We Legion' blah blah blah...but it's all hot air and no substance. And that seems to fit in quite well with this 'revolution'.

As to your question 'Why do you support the elite?'...I don't. I just don't support the OWS movement. I know it's hard to believe but I can offer support to neither at the same time.



posted on Nov, 5 2011 @ 08:18 PM
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Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by Unknown Soldier
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OK hoax or not there are indeed thousands in the streets you deny this? Remember we are all a bunch of pot smoking hippies drinking 40's in the streets ... oh wait no now we are no longer there! No no no we dont exist


Whats it going to be?

Typical straw man response




Hmmmmm

Posting a "FAKE" pic to justifies the "millions" is beyond straw-man my friend.
Thousands? Sure. Thousands with no direction ? You bet. BTW, I dont believe you are ALL hippies drinkin 40's in the streets. I believe there are many pissed off Americans that havnt realized that LACK of direction,will get them nowhere. I do believe 100% that the propaganda you said is taking place,is also done by OWS Sympathizers,as your pic so helpfully illustrated. Stay true.........



For lack of direction there sure are a LOT of people in certain places saying the same thing. Lets take a look at history, Rosa Parks did not conceive what would become of what she did on a bus one day. The revolution in Egypt had no direction it was chaos! But look what became of it? Oh and they had naysayers too where are they?

Courage to dissent is just one part of the formula. Oh and the Posting a "FAKE" pic to justifies the "millions" is beyond straw-man comment is the good old "I know you are but what am I" come back i use to hear on the curly slide in 4th grade.

Just sayin

Stay gold bro
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