posted on Nov, 5 2011 @ 08:06 PM
Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
My friend, you seem to be missing my point, and that is that plenty of these so called "99%" are espousing ideological arguments, and I have no
issue with this at all. What I take issue with is that others come along and claim there is no ideological campaigns coming out of the movement, but
from my point of view, and many, many, others, this could not be further than the truth, and we see, hear and read plenty of ideological mantras and
arguments coming from this "movement'.
I am fairly sure that I wasn't saying that there are no ideological campaigns coming from this movement. There are many that are espousing their own
concerns and bias because there is a platform. That will happen and can be expected. I was merely attending to your use of the terms "capitalism
I can agree that many are out there who don't understand the difference much less comprehend the interplays of economics with politics. That does
not, in my opinion, detract from the very essence of the complaint. The complaint is real and for the first time in modern American History we have
people talking about it en masse...this is a very relevant point and we can analyze the current movement as it exists all day long but the truth of
the matter is that it is going to get more intricate and a percentage of the people I find as "not getting it" will indeed be drawn in and get
it...one of my only laments, currently, is that more of them don't have access to hippy perspective. Now, I am not a hippy but damn they bring up
great points at times...
You know, I would love to stop placing quotation marks around the word "movement' in regards to this "OWS" thing, but as long as so many keep
insisting that ideology has nothing to do with, then what shall we call it? Movement, in this
context, means A series of actions and events taking place over a period of time and working to foster a principle or policy: a movement toward world
peace, or an organized effort by supporters of a common goal: a leader of the labor movement, for example. No matter how you slice it, if this thing
is going to be a movement, ideology is going to have to come into play.
I still have issues with the term. At the end of the day it is a matter of people taking advantage of people for monetary gain...the difference
between a CEO stating that a five dollar fee on a debit card is necessary for every new account holder when their account holders work their asses off
day in and day out for their paycheck as opposed to trying to placate shareholders.
There is the difference...and education is a big part of this discrepancy...I truly want Bertrand Russell to end up being wrong...same with
What will they be teaching each other. Quite a few have made it clear I have nothing to teach, so I ask you my trusted friend, what is being
First off, My Friend, Those who think you have nothing to teach aren't paying attention enough. Second...the "teaching" is the end of bias and
regional bias that effect the masses. The teaching is generational and where are fathers held the status quo war after war, we shall now find and
propagate the economic motivations for such...making mainstream media propagation less and less effective through out the years. No one said that
this was going to happen over night...Hell...We Still have to infiltrate the View...
The pretense that the protestors are not using their wealth to gain access to governmental favor is most annoying. Frankly, I struggle to make
money and pay the bills and each week struggle through several days where I very well may not eat that day, so obviously no one is speaking of me, but
while I listen to these claims I see a bunch of people that want government to a bunch of things that amount to business as usual, only, and
annoyingly so, more of it.
Lobbiyists get paid to gain political favor on behalf of their employers. I'm not wasting any of my money (which amounts to less than zero) trying
to fight this established protocol...not yet...
I stand my ground on this and still do not see anyone declaring that corporatism has to end, only that the collusion between one legal artifice
and another has to somehow stop.
You do know that Corporations have declared themselves a votable entity? Money begets "legal artifice"...and that is the point...More money in
Military (R&D tech-wise) and less in Education (Humans are the most viable resource...I guess, unless you have to feed them...?!?)
My friend...we don't necessarily disagree...but I am sure I wanted to clarify some of my points...