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Leading Muslim Terrorist gives this warning. Sept 1st 04

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LL1

posted on Sep, 2 2004 @ 09:17 PM
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Originally posted by Moley
OK I think we all realise there's a difference between normal Muslims and Islamic Extremists, it's just that the fact remains they are all Muslims and like has been said before, the 'good' ones ain't making a whole lot of noise in criticizing the 'bad' ones so it's often tough to tell the difference.

If we could be sure that every Muslim in the US was of peaceful intent then no problem I'd welcome them all, but we can't, hence the natural tendency to lump them together, right or wrong.

Just a thought... how about every Muslim in the US or Britain has to swear an oath of allegiance so we can throw out the ones that flat refuse? OK it'll upset the sensibilities of a few, and of course many will just lie, but the real extremists will maybe choke and so we can get rid . Ok it's not perfect and there are a lot of them but hey, gotta start somewhere and like I said how else do we tell the difference?


After the Oklahoma bombing, don't you think it would be an excellent idea to make every Caucasian "swear an oath of allegiance so we can throw out the ones that flat refuse?" Just a thought...
Read this:
usinfo.state.gov...



LL1

posted on Sep, 2 2004 @ 09:21 PM
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Originally posted by Gazrok

OK I think we all realise there's a difference between normal Muslims and Islamic Extremists, it's just that the fact remains they are all Muslims and like has been said before, the 'good' ones ain't making a whole lot of noise in criticizing the 'bad' ones so it's often tough to tell the difference.


Knowing quite a few "good ones" myself, I must admit their silence in all of this is not a good plan.

Personally, I'd just say this, "Look guys, the next time a 911 style attack goes down, the Kabaa in Mecca is going to be turned into rubble and then we're going to drop a cargo load of crap on top of it... If you even think about retaliating, we'll simply target other religious sites, etc." and be done with it.


"Normal Muslims" and "good ones"??????
Do you guys realize what you are sounding like?
I'll give you one good guess...


LL1

posted on Sep, 2 2004 @ 09:33 PM
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Originally posted by mpeake

Originally posted by infinite

Originally posted by nathraq
Why would a person be a Nazi or KKK member if they are saying the truth??

Muslims and Arabs were the ones involved in recent terrorist attacks. THey are the ones beheading people, and taking schoolchildren as hostages. Why aren't the arab countries' citizens taking to the streets to demonstrate against such actions? They do this all under the pretense of Islam, but the fact stands that they do hate Westerners. They have proven it time and again. If a mosque is vandalized in America, there are protests, from Muslims and Non-Muslims alike. When the Christian Iraqi's in Baghdad were being assaulted by their own people, that made headlines for about 2 days.

We try to be soooo PC about religion, especially Islam. We need to call it what it really is.

Arabs did crash planes into the WTC's and the Pentagon. They did behead numerous people overseas. They do condone such actions. The majority hatre westerners. That's just facts.




Oh please, you just have to open your eyes and see the numerous muslims who have spoken out against Islamic terrorirsts and condon their actions. So all muslims are beheading people? all muslims are taking children hostages and are all muslims flying planes into buildings...?.........no. The west has always feared Islam, its a peaceful religion for the love of God, you just have to see open your eyes. I live in a mixed community with a lot of muslims, and every morning working to work or college, they always say good morning to me.

I think its really funny that most Americans think all muslims want them dead or that muslims are jealous of the American way of life
Dont label a whole religion for something only a select few done.


Come on here...let's get real. Why don't you think there hasn't been a global outcry by the Muslim community? Why won't the leaders clean up their own problems? In this day and age, if there was some other major religious group who had a small faction of that faith perform such acts, the larger part of the faith would go into an uproar about it. Just look at the Catholic Church after the whole debacle with the child molestation cases. The Catholic Church made it their mission to seperate themselves from the evil acts and you saw priests taken out of power left and right. I hate when people bring up the old atrocities that the "Christians" did back in the dark ages.

Welcome the the 21st century people, we don't do that anymore. It woouldn't be allowed in a civilised culture.

So why does the civilised muslim culture stand seeing their own people smear their names? Aren't they sick of being associated with only evil, terror, beheadings, murders, executions etc...? I thought the message of their faith was peace and understanding. When was the last time that message was portrayed on a global scale? Check this thread out that I started asking these very questions.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Of course I have rec'd no replies from anyone of the muslim faith and it really dissapoints me. The "christian" faith gets ripped here in ATS ALL THE TIME, but you say one negative thing about the muslim faith and you are labeld a bigot, racist, KKK member. Honestly, i have no feelings one way or another to the muslim faith. But I hold them just as responsible for letting the actions of their own radical extrmist go unchecked and virtually unrebuked. I imagine I won't get a popular response from anyone here, but I don't really care. My intention isn't to offend, but to get some answers to some serious questions that have gone on un addressed for a long time.


Welcome to the 21st century? Yeah! Right!

It just amazes me how hypocritical peopel can be!
Looks like you've found a new group to HATE!
Unchecked for years:
www.texasnaacp.org...
Who's?! Responsible?
My intention is not to offend.


LL1

posted on Sep, 2 2004 @ 09:38 PM
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Originally posted by crossfire
Islam is an evil religion - it's practices - beheading, stoning, oppression of women, economic and social nihilism - are all barbaric.

Those who practice this barbaric, stoneage religion, perpetrate it. It is a poison that spreads - a cancer.

No Muslims are innocent - they are ALL a danger to us, our freedom and civilised way of life.

Islam = barbarianism


Who the heck do you think are your government translators!
Knock! Knock!
What's your GS salary?
I can't believe you guys!


LL1

posted on Sep, 2 2004 @ 09:47 PM
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Originally posted by crossfire
You can write reams of that *rap, justifying your love of Islam and your defence of the terrorists.

The irony is that the very people you seek to defend are the people that will eventually behead you, rape your wife and then put her in slavery.

You are in part the author of your own downfall - Muslims will eventually kill you - but from the sounds of it - you will be happy with that.


Al-crossfire has spoken...
Do you honestly think provoking will help?


LL1

posted on Sep, 2 2004 @ 10:04 PM
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Originally posted by muppet

Originally posted by bushblows
Oh lighten up. You PC people are so nauseatingly holier-then-thou.

People have the right to say they don't like Muslims. They have the right to say they think funding Isreal is an abhoration, too.

If you like muslims so much move to Iraq. Or come move to New Jersey where all the 9/11 co-conspirators set camp. We've got muslims running every candy store in town. You think they wouldn't want to come here in light of our funding Isreal but I guess the allure of US dollars supercedes
Holy Land loyalty. Ah, what the mighty buck can do.



huh uh.... tell me, what exactly is your problem with muslim candy-store owners ??
[edit on 2/9/04 by muppet]


It's the very fact this one doesn't own shisssh, so he can only exhibit hate, because each and everyday he has to drag his --- to work and stop and buy from owners OTHER than himself...

Born and raised here and owns nada thing!
If he's living near these stores, he's not doing too financially well at all...



posted on Sep, 2 2004 @ 11:08 PM
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@Chuck Stevenson,

First your question is if there an Islamic dominance or not, and i answered that. Now you trying to change the subject by framing that the Islamic empire is unpaceful. stick to one subject please .


Originally posted by Chuck Stevenson
. . . defeating the the Byzantin Forces which ruled the country
. . . and they began attacking
. . . they had done that, they attacked first the Romans and then the Sassanids
. . . they conquered Egypt
. . . the Ottomans (successors to the Seljuks) had begun to establish the Ottoman Empire by conquering Constantinople (modern Istanbul). In 1517, they conquered Syria and Egypt, and by 1639 AD the Ottomans had taken Iraq

Those forces that were defeated, used to attack the tribes in the arabia. getting in war with Egypt. which used to rule part of arabia. it was obviously they will get a backlash from the muslims. also when islam started to expand, the near empires feared it because it was expanding too fast & with larg scope. which made them consider attacking it before it expanded more, that gave the islamic empire the chance to kick back and to defeate them. much like the scenario these days The coalition forces trying to eliminate the spreading of the muslim. But now instead of calling them muslims the are called terrorists/extremist to give them a flavor.



Originally posted by Chuck Stevenson
1) Fixed it for ya! All the important stuff is highlighted.

I'm afraid you fixed it for your self. by twisting the subject from an "Islamic Dominance" to "an agressive Dominance". which wasn't your original question.



Originally posted by Chuck Stevenson
2) Wow they sure sound like peace loving open minded people to me! Looks more like a "convert or die" scenario to me, so why is Islam so into killing everyone that is not exactly cookie cutter like them?

"Convert or die" is by your standard, much like "if you're not with us then you're against us" - bush . The "convert" here isnt for the individuals its not "be muslim or you're dead". its make the system/law an islamic (ex. no public porno/alcohol/usury etc..) it means you dont make busness out of those. if you want to practice it then do it privately, its extacly like the new law in france that forbid the female from wearing a scarf. why didn't we hear so much about that from you, like taking there 'freedom'.



Originally posted by Chuck Stevenson
3) Islamic Dominance - not such a great big empire BTW - Okay, you can have parts of the mideast, but you cannot have Europe, Asia, the Americas or any other part of the world.

At that time (the peak of the islamic empire) they didn't discover the amarican continent, there is only Mideast, Europe, Africa & Asia. and since they ruled part of Europe, northern africa+egypt, Mideast+iran and central asia i would consider it a great big empire.

Speaking of America, didn't you invaded that country and butchered the ppl there, you've controlled the country there and made the orginal ppl as a slaves. wow you sure sound like peace loving open minded people to me.



Originally posted by Chuck Stevenson
4) So the "dominance" was so stable that within a period of 150 years the 'empire' had already begun to break down? Maybe you guys had better stop sniffing each others butts in your mosques and start rethinking your beliefs?

You got that wrong it was stable within period of ~1300 years, you didnt count the time of the expanding. they were making victory all that time until WW1. which is the fall of the empire.
Rethinking my belief? if i Rethinked my belief it wont be a belief anymore.

. . .
Oh, the last quote showed how developed, open minded, well informed you can be . . .


[edit on 3-9-2004 by fanoose]

[edit on 3-9-2004 by fanoose]



posted on Sep, 3 2004 @ 12:46 AM
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Originally posted by LL1

Originally posted by weirdo
No not an American. sorry.But you have to admit the lack of general response from the Muslim communities in dealing with this problem does make me angry.If l was to go to any Muslim country and build a none muslim church and start preaching the Christian views and calling westerners to fight against you what do you think would happen to me?



weirdo read this:
www.islamfortoday.com...



And you are so sure these people are telling the truth.AHAHAHAHA



posted on Sep, 3 2004 @ 05:21 AM
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Originally posted by robertfenix
I will make this one statement, IF the Islamic radicals want to REALLY push this agenda, IF they really want to start this kind of war. Them let them bring it. Let them go out a kill a few hundred more white or black or mexican or polish or german or spanish or puerto riccans or itallians or dutch or russian AMERICANS. I dare them. IF they really want this, then they should bring it on. Because trust me, there will be hell to pay. Do you think your average "red neck" AMERICAN is going to stand around and let himself be a target to every crazy Islamic "jihadist" or do you think they will take every opporotunity to harass, attack, track down, burn, torture every SINGLE DAMN "Islamic" person they can find. You think when one of these crazies ends up killing a mans family and has publicly stated there intent to kill every AMERICAN they can that we are just going to sit there like targets..

OH you just wait. You thought the Crusades were bad, let them bring on their death wish and we will see to it that we wipe them straight of the face of the Earth. Well at least in areas that stand in our way.

hahahahah Blind hatred, I love it. I dont care what color you are, what religon you are, what nation you come from, I dont care.

BUT if you dare, if you even threaten that you are going to come here and kill my family and kill my kids or kill my brothers and sisters just because of your misguided religion, IF YOU TAKE THAT FIRST STEP. Then expect to receive no mercy.

As AMERICANS that is what we stand for, go ahead you do your thing, but piss us off and we will take the fight right to your heartland, right to YOUR DOORSTEP and DESTORY YOU.

We did it to Japan and if you think we will give up then you are seriously misguided about what makes AMERICANS proud. And I mean all AMERICANS, why do people come here ? For a chance at a better life, to prosper, to have freedom, WE WILL NOT BE REPRESSED by a band of cowardly thugs that hope to pray on our fears.

BRING IT ON, you so called Terrorist freedom fighters for ALLAH or whatever your current dirtbag Mullah is named, BRING IT ON.


Watch out for your blood pressure. . before it explode.

The (crazy Islamic "jihadist"!!) won't start this kind of war because it already started, and the reason for this is the us gov. trying to interfere with others own businesses, relying heavily on others sources, crippling others economy (ex. by buying oil in cheap prices) and eliminating islam from the world by there own version of freedom. And if you don't accept it then you will end up as the iraqies.

And from another angle, you're the ones who are killing the families (at least the "jihadist" only kill men, but the american are killing women & children too) no matter what's the tool, the death is the same, and here is a new (today) strike by the us army:

At least 17 die in Falluja raid
At least 17 Iraqis have died in a US air strike on the city of Falluja, hospital officials have said. Reports say the dead included three children and a woman.

All the wounded are families. Among the dead, there could be two or three children but the bodies are torn to pieces and it's difficult to tell.

Witnesses told the AP news agency the strike hit a residential house in the southern neighbourhood of the city.

Correspondents describe two giant craters in the ground, with one house completely destroyed and the second badly damaged.



posted on Sep, 3 2004 @ 05:24 AM
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Originally posted by bushblows
Oh hell I can't tell you how many times an arab has called me a "boo-ti-ful woman" while buying my coffee first thing in the morning. I've even been asked out on dates by arabs with donut carts in NYC. (That's the big city with the tall buildings in care you're wondering. I can tell you aren't from a real melting pot environment. Most PC folks aren't; they live in all white places).


Probably the only reason he called you "boo-ti-ful woman" is because he thought you would make a good patient in his beautification clinic, like giving you a good face for a start, i say he was saying . . . Do you wanna be "boo-ti-ful woman". and those were not donuts you silly... those are your new face parts.



posted on Sep, 3 2004 @ 05:24 AM
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Originally posted by weirdo
But you have to admit the lack of . . .


The only thing i'm gonna admit of is your nick-name. . you indeed picked an appropriate one for you..



posted on Sep, 3 2004 @ 06:49 AM
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Political correct people who say islam is peaceful, just indanger the lives of it's citiziens.



posted on Sep, 3 2004 @ 06:55 AM
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Originally posted by Thinker
Political correct people who say islam is peaceful, just indanger the lives of it's citiziens.


useless islam-phobic comment here. There's integralism, and that's one thing, and then there's islam and all the other religions, and those are other things.



posted on Sep, 3 2004 @ 07:02 AM
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Originally posted by k33l

Originally posted by Thinker
Political correct people who say islam is peaceful, just indanger the lives of it's citiziens.


useless islam-phobic comment here. There's integralism, and that's one thing, and then there's islam and all the other religions, and those are other things.


So your saying that these terrorists are not insirped by the words of koran, but just self decission and islam doesn't support terrorism, kidnappings?



posted on Sep, 3 2004 @ 07:05 AM
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1st of september, mmm was some days ago..another bush propaganda trick, how many more will follow. 60 procent of america still believe in iraq are WMD, hihi....



posted on Sep, 3 2004 @ 07:11 AM
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99% of people who support islam as peaceful and are not muslims, make fast basisless views on religion in general, they also have never read the koran. I bet you bush has never read it to. If he opened the book, he would see it's not osama thats causing this, it's this book that breeds terrorism.



posted on Sep, 3 2004 @ 07:13 AM
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Originally posted by fanoose

Originally posted by weirdo
But you have to admit the lack of . . .


The only thing i'm gonna admit of is your nick-name. . you indeed picked an appropriate one for you..



Thanks like they say its all in a name.



posted on Sep, 3 2004 @ 07:15 AM
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Originally posted by weirdo
Sure but how do high interest loans to jews or christians calling other christians fools the same as reporting a murder or rapist,child molester or wife beater.
My point is not the fact that all Muslims are terrorist and should be killed or that all Muslims are bad people.


You said that all muslims cover up terrible brutal crimes when commited by other muslims, therefor you are saying all muslims are bad people.


My point is that mixed cultures do not get on. They never have.Don`t people learn from History lessons.


This is quite simply untrue. History demonstrates that people can infact live and work together. When the muslim world was more advanced than it is now, jews, muslims, christians, zorasterians and other religions lived peacefully with one another. The same went for europe at certain times in its history, and much of the rest of the world. For a long time now tho things have been difficult, but the long span of history teaches us that diffferent cultures can infact interact, cohabitate, and interbreed quite easily and succesfully.


The non radicals should be able to acknowledge the way western culture has allowed them to live a better lifestyle than the countries they left.


What makes you think that they dont? There are moderate muslim denunciations of these beheadings and attacks, they are repulsed just like the rest of the citizenry.



As they choose to live in the west they should realise they need to protect there way of life as much as we do.


And they certainly are.


The world is going to enter dark days if they are not prepared to help as in the past


The only dark days will come about when people start singling out a religious/ethnic minority as unloyal and unpatriotic.


I hope a race war will never come but at the moment it is starting to creep into our inner cities


I recall there being a race war hysteria when I was younger, it never happened. You can continue to be hysterical about it if you must, but the rest of us just won't be surprised when it never happens.


robertfenix:
or do you think they will take every opporotunity to harass, attack, track down, burn, torture every SINGLE DAMN "Islamic" person they can find.

When the rednecks start doing this, perhaps it will be time for the rest of the country to start driving around and executing rednecks. It would certainly solve a lot of problems in this country, it would releive the welfare system and social security, it will clean up some eyesores of houses, it will raise the average intelligence/education of the general population (by getting rid of the morons), and people will be able to get along a lot better without those worthless fools around.


bushblows:
People have the right to say they don't like Muslims

And people have the right to point out that such people are dumb racists.


If you like muslims so much move to Iraq [and previousy you said] Quite frankly I think dark skinned
people from Spain are WAYYYY better looking & lots more enjoyable to be around

Then move to spain. Your unamerican, unpatriotic racism is not wanted in the USA. Love it or leave it.


robertfenix:
BUT if you dare, if you even threaten that you are going to come here and kill my family and kill my kids or kill my brothers and sisters just because of your misguided religion, IF YOU TAKE THAT FIRST STEP. Then expect to receive no mercy.

Well I hope they do wipe out bigoted morons like you and your seed, they'd be doing us all a favour. You're actually suggesting genocide at home and abroad, killing people who are entirely innocent in this affair because of the actions of some.

And why doesn't your extremist logic apply to the muslims eh? We're at war with these terrorists just as much as they are at war with us. So if we are trying to kill them, you are saying that they are justified in killing innocent americans too. The irony of your idiocy is astounding.


lli:
After the Oklahoma bombing, don't you think it would be an excellent idea to make every Caucasian "swear an oath of allegiance so we can throw out the ones that flat refuse?"


Yes, you would think that if these anti-muslim bigots were merely being 'sensible' like they claim, that they would also be insisting that montana have a wal built around it and the people there be put into jail or deported. The oklahoma city bombing was the biggest terrorist attack on the united states at its time. And the radical militias are heavily armed, openly maintain training camps, publically recruit new members, and circulate anti-american literature. They and their allied fundamentalist christian cults have commited numerous acts of terrorism since then, blatantly call for an overthrow of the governement, and have said that they will commit more acts of murder and mayhem.

But these pigs are all scared of the muslims. And they expect anyone to be decieved into thinking that they are just reacting out of self defense? Or that they aren't racists? They're sick, disgusting, repugnant pigs, and if anyone should be kicked out of the country it should be them.


fanoose:
At least 17 Iraqis have died in a US air strike on the city of Falluja, hospital officials have said. Reports say the dead included three children and a woman.

All the wounded are families. Among the dead, there could be two or three children but the bodies are torn to pieces and it's difficult to tell.


Perfect example. According to Mr. Robertfenix, these people are completely justified in wiping out robertfenix's family and friends.



posted on Sep, 3 2004 @ 07:18 AM
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We want to get along with the Arabs/Muslims?

We just need to throw ourselves back 1000 years. Then we will all be on the same playing field.

And yes, they were advanced in mathematics, astronomy and medicine in the way early years. They achieved a level of civilization before the Europeans.

But that is where they stayed. A calender that perpetually reads the year 1000.



posted on Sep, 3 2004 @ 07:23 AM
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Was not the arch angel Gabriel, who appeared to Mohammed, an angel of God. So that would make us, in my opinion, all part of the same belief system. Maybe Mohammed had a vision, maybe he didnt. Maybe Jesus was the son of God, maybe he wasnt. Believe what you must to sleep at night. But lets not wipe ourselves out, we are just a tiny spec of dust in the bigger scheme of things.



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