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posted on Nov, 5 2011 @ 10:26 AM
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Originally posted by Dinogur
WOA, wasnt there a thread a while ago saying that there was going to be an Illuminati sacrifice period, from 11-9 to 11-23 and obama was supposed to assassinated on the 23rd...

i think this is it...
FEMA to do first ever national...



Illuminati sacrifice? Could be linked to the PACEWAVE 11 test and YU55.. on the 9th November all APEC world leaders and ceo's will be on Hawaii.. Worst place to be if PACEWAVE 11 scenario waves turn out to be the YU55 Tsunami waves.. Far fetched but these days who the hell knows!?




posted on Nov, 5 2011 @ 10:46 AM
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Originally posted by coldkidc
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I sincerely doubt that it's not at least going to be a wild next couple of trading days...many many many stunned traders are going to be getting margin calls, closing positions, moving large sums of money, having collateral auto-sold, assets liquidated, or just doing everything they can to save their ass - all at the same time.

There was no warning on this move by the CME and that's going to be a huge issue for anybody with an open position.


I am tending to agree with you.

It's clear from this announcement, that it is meant to be unclear. That is to say, it is the kind of memo that goes out, in a coded fashion, such that anybody who works in a market making house is going to ask their boss for clarification. What does it mean when they say the ratio for "new" is to be 1.0? There is too much ambiguity here. It appears on the face of it, that this is the CME utterly destroying their traders, and that seems a bit too crazy, one assumes.


Originally posted by ogbert
I'm a real estate guy, so anyone feel free to correct me. The way i understand it is that, you can control $1,000 worth of stock for only $500. If the maintenance margin is 25%;and, the stock falls below $250.00, then you get a margin call and have to add more money to keep your investment; otherwise, the stock is liquidated.

If the CME raised the maintenance amount; this would put many in a position of having to add money to their position, when liquidity is scarce.


Yes, traders are at risk as anyone who speculates on credit. The extenders of credit, can kill the credited-persons, at any time, by seizing the account for margin failure, and issuing them a bill, etc. In 1929 that's what happened, dudes got rich on credit speculation, then got massive bills, which caused them to jump from ledges. But the non-speculators also lose, when this game is played, as with farms that did not hold title, and were seized by the lenders.

The whole key to this is MF Global, run by ex Goldman Sachs CEO, ex-Senator, ex-Governor. The death of MF causes their funds to be frozen due to chap 11 proceedings. At this time, they say only 700 million may be lost, and yet that's preliminary. I think last week was epic for the market makers. If this is true doom, then it means the clearing houses themselves are being pinched, which means yes, that all market makers will lost the 'middle-man' security of their clearing houses. There is a reason why drug money floated the world economy in 2008 under the scenes, and that's because in truth, the black markets are the real bull markets and also, cash is essentially now a criminal instrument. Go try and withdraw 20k in cash from your bank account and you will look like a criminal. And yet, in the early 90's when the ruble collapsed, criminals were literally trading shipping containers full of rubles. Hence, one of the end-game facts is that just before a nation's paper ignites into dust, it is used in mass amount to launder wealth, which in a way, is what causes it to ignite, and die. So when your government trie to keep cash out of your hands, and they call you a criminal for wanting cash, it's fairly certain that the currency is being used for large scale laundering.

Prior to the 500 Euro note, it was the 100 USD note which was the prime choice of drug fund launderers. Last time I checked, the Euro and the dollar are both acceptable currency for when you loan shark calls you up and says you owe him an "unforseen" 100k. I am sure any good loan shark will accept 500 euro note or 100 USD note, but it'll take days for the bank to have that cash shipped in. So when crime becomes the only way to profit (trickle down effect), then simply owning the tool of crime (cash) will make you a criminal.

The cash printing machines do print a lot of cash, and yet how much cash do you ever see? Huge loads of cash are meant to be used by drug-channels, and this means cash itself is combustible, eventually, and also it means that if you have large amounts of cash, you are ipso facto, a criminal, in the eyes of some authority.



posted on Nov, 5 2011 @ 10:52 AM
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Originally posted by BlackStar99

How did it go from "a margin call for tens if not hundreds of billions worth of product. -ZH" to "hundreds of trillions"?



The market size for commodities is worth about $380 billion CONTRACTS worldwide. But do remember that such stocks are based upon FUTURES, which politically incorrectly means several times that number worth of dollars is being played on in the Casino exchange.

Furthermore, Chicago Mercantile Exchange is only ONE exchange/casino that deals with commodities. There are about 20+ or more of such casinos/exchanges worldwide. What one does with margin limits, generally more will follow. And it will not be only limited to commodities.

Banks regulated 'overnight balance sheets' too are spooked at the moment, following the financial direction disasters in EU and the heavy exposure of many banks with sovereign debts, not only of Greece, but the giant indebted economies of Italy and Spain. Not to mention Germany's debt, which is beyond comprehension, for footing the funds of sovereign debts in ECB and EFs.

Tallied it up, there are trillions to be accounted for, of which IF default domino happens, the whole shebang goes...

With austerity drives, there will be no or little growth. With little growth, how can a nation surive and pay its debts???

Fear mongering ? Perhaps. No mortal knows what tomorrow brings. Just be prepared and dont get caught out flat footed like MF Global investors today. Every hard earned cent they had gone with a simple bankruptcy announcement, though many had tried to warn them of the gambles and risks in the casino which is not an 'investment' exchange.



posted on Nov, 5 2011 @ 10:54 AM
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Originally posted by Screwed
Please explain to those of us who are financially retarded WHAT exactly ends Monday?

My Mommy told me there's no such thing as a stupid question.



I am with you on this....please explain in really easy to understand phrasing....what you people are talking about...thank you!



posted on Nov, 5 2011 @ 10:59 AM
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Originally posted by smallpeeps
Go try and withdraw 20k in cash from your bank account and you will look like a criminal. And yet, in the early 90's when the ruble collapsed, criminals were literally trading shipping containers full of rubles. Hence, one of the end-game facts is that just before a nation's paper ignites into dust, it is used in mass amount to launder wealth, which in a way, is what causes it to ignite, and die. So when your government trie to keep cash out of your hands, and they call you a criminal for wanting cash, it's fairly certain that the currency is being used for large scale laundering.



And that is what people should step back and think about, why did the banking system with their leader the Federal Reserve were able to get away with criminalizing those to make large cash withdraws? even when is their money the one been withdraw Can you imagine if any one with a bank account withdraw everything they have?, banks do not hold money like they used too, no they don't have not been able to hold large sums of money for years.

Because that is how the Fed controls the banks, so they in turn can fund deals abroad, our federal Reserve are on an ongoing business of laundering money to other countries AKA bailouts that can not be accounted for.

Trillions of dollars since 2008 has been funneled from the US.

But you can not talk about this practices as long as the markets are doing "great".

Everything is peachy somebody is making money, but it ain't you or me, right?
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posted on Nov, 5 2011 @ 11:02 AM
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Originally posted by caladonea

Originally posted by Screwed
Please explain to those of us who are financially retarded WHAT exactly ends Monday?

My Mommy told me there's no such thing as a stupid question.



I am with you on this....please explain in really easy to understand phrasing....what you people are talking about...thank you!


It is actually quite overblown, but most things are around here. Here is the deal.

Instead of having to put up $3,500 for your initial margin requirement you know have to put up like $5,500.

Boom! World just ended. lol

Don't forget, this doesn't necessarily mean anything. You can be SHORT or LONG in futures. So, let's say all these under-capitalized futures pikers are SHORT, well then they will have to add another 1500 or close out their position. Big deal. Let's say they are LONG. Same scenario.

Don't also forget, people that are trading 1 or 2 contracts on the CME are what we call "non-existent." They make no difference because they account for maybe 1-2% of all volume.

So, in the end, this is all nonsense. But it is something to garner website advertising and advertising is what drives the internet now.. so..



posted on Nov, 5 2011 @ 11:04 AM
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Originally posted by bluemooone2
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The link that you pasted states Billions NOT trillions. Thats a HUGE difference . And I'm hung over . And My head hurts . Op can you explain this in plain English , without the abbreviations please?

Yes, what does a Coronal Mass Ejection (CME) have to do with all of this?

I hate it when I read posts that are all like ; watch for THY's, FHT's and NBM's

WTF?!

I agree hangover head.
edit on 5-11-2011 by Toadmund because: spelling



posted on Nov, 5 2011 @ 11:15 AM
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After doing some research this is what a representative of Interactive Brokers is stating. This is quite contrary to the Zero Hedge article.




CME did not increase maintenance margin requirements but dropped initial. As always, IB requires initial margin equal to at least 125% of maintenance. IB customers will be minimally affected. For example, overnight initial margin for ES is now 1.25 * $4,000 = $5,000. It was 1.35 * $4,000 = $5,400 before.



posted on Nov, 5 2011 @ 11:16 AM
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For a second I got nervous then I saw this was from Zerohedge. Lol those guys are persistent liars.

I wouldn’t believe anything from them.



posted on Nov, 5 2011 @ 11:22 AM
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Originally posted by TechniXcality

Originally posted by karen61057
I am poor today. I will still be poor on monday. The money in the bank right now is just enough to cover what bills I have to pay next week. This weeks paycheck will go to paying the ones due the week after that. I am the 99% and I live hand to mouth. My stock portfolio is a joke. I dont have money to invest. I dont own stock. I dont even own my house all the way yet. I do own my cars. Both are paid for. Both were bought used. I have never had a brand new car and I probably never will.
How many of you are in my boat? How many wont be affected one way of the other come next week? Will it really make a difference in your day to day if this happens?
I know it wont affect mine. I will still go to work for my little paycheck, my husband will go to work for his and we will continue this life one minute at a time like we always have.


i agree reminds, me alot of this song...

www.youtube.com...


The only difference will be no hydro, no water and sparce food in time you will feel rich living in this moment when you find your living a life worse off then how your living now.



posted on Nov, 5 2011 @ 11:23 AM
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Originally posted by Screwed
Please explain to those of us who are financially retarded WHAT exactly ends Monday?

My Mommy told me there's no such thing as a stupid question.



Originally posted by caladonea
I am with you on this....please explain in really easy to understand phrasing....what you people are talking about...thank you!


Hope this may be simple enough.

WHAT exactly ENDS on Monday is LIQUIDITY of many casino gamblers. As they have to pay more now to place a bet on CME as required, they may not have enough cash to do so.

But the disaster that will happen is not amongst new entrants. If they have not enough money, they should not be gambling at all.

The disaster are for those ALREADY in the game, that is they have open positions in the markets. Simply put, they need to come out more with money to top up their accounts if the value of their holdings in that position had dropped, something that was not required formerly unless it went to the previous required level - 25%.

Now with the 75% ruling, any existing positions that had dropped below 75%, they will have to come up with cold hard cash immediately. In the past, gamblers can hope that the market may return higher and need not top up. But come Monday, it is cash to top up or close your position and pay up your losses.

Ok for just 1 guy playing, insignificant, but extrapoliate upon millions worldwide dealing with just $1000 bet and you will see many billions wiped out in just one day, more so in adversed unpredicatable market we have today.

And that's just commodities. Think of soveriegn debts and the banks heavy's exposure. That CME had came up with that ruling would mean both regulators and financers are getting worried about liquidity, and may apply the same to gambling houses such as JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs and the rest of the gang.



posted on Nov, 5 2011 @ 11:29 AM
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So if I have money in any one of the big Canadian banks(Bank of Montreal, Scotia Bank, Royal Bank, CIBC, TD) should I be worried about losing money on Monday??



posted on Nov, 5 2011 @ 11:33 AM
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Actually they are not that bad when it comes to predictions or rather close to predictions, they may be over blown when it come to sensationalism but they are good keeping up with market gossip.

Still I believe the biggest danger to the markets now is how the money that the EU is promising to "bailout themselves with is coming from.

Only running the printing presses once again will fix anything, but as we know the Fed is not allowing new money to be printed out, treasuries bonds are allowed to mature for the first one you need congress approval for the second one allowing the treasury to print new bonds the Fed do not need congress approval.

So when the news comes that money will be printed then that means congress adding more debt to the nation and to the tax payer, either way will be dollars or Euros been printed by the IMF, Germany is just digging their own hole if they do that.



posted on Nov, 5 2011 @ 11:41 AM
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And what if I'm poor... does it mean I don't have to worry? Time to raid rich people's palaces?

Would it be it, this time around? Can't wait for the big mystery to unfold!



posted on Nov, 5 2011 @ 11:41 AM
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I work a retail position. The law regarding the 10K is that any purchase made in cash that totals 10K in a single purchase or a series of purchases over a one year period must be reported to the IRS. Its not against the law to spend cash but I guess if you spend large amounts of cash they want to know about it....



posted on Nov, 5 2011 @ 11:42 AM
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This set of videos is from 2006 I think, it's the CEO of Overstock.com, very interesting.

This is video #2. At 5:30 notice he says that the analysis explains that strategic crime is more likely than accidental crime.



posted on Nov, 5 2011 @ 11:43 AM
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No mortal man can ever predict what will happen even the next second accurately, is the only honest answer.

Best you do your own research based upon data given and act as your intelligence and free will dictate, and never upon another man's word.

It may be difficult to discern truths from distortions, espacially from the media and the banks itself for they seek to protect only themselves and their interests, try comprehending what's happening in EU today and how it may affect your savings.

MF Global hit everyone by surprise, that after 08 crisis such gambles still existed. But I am sure they did warn their depositors on the risks. I can only hope that you are not caught up on such gambles with such 'banks'/gambling houses, then you may still be safe. Check out how much exposure your bank have on EU sovereign debts, because the contagion is spreading to Italy and Spain. Their default, which is of high chances, will cripple banks holding their debts.Even China dares not hold a copy of such debts today.



posted on Nov, 5 2011 @ 11:47 AM
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I think they just misunderstood what was going on. Honestly, it is not that easy to understand.

They are actually

LOWERING THE INITIAL MAINTENANCE MARGIN REQUIREMENT

- TO -

The CURRENT MAINTENANCE MARGIN REQUIREMENT


Which is a lot of fancy words for saying it is actually GOING DOWN and NOT UP.

ZH got it backwards. After doing some more research there has been many calls into the Chicago Merc because of this and they have stated the same thing.

The general thought is that this is being done so everyone that was trading with MF can convert to a new broker w/o having to liquidate positions and re-enter the market.

Hope this helps.



posted on Nov, 5 2011 @ 11:53 AM
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So with all the big threads that contain some truth as of late being tossed around, we can possibly expect such a scenario as Iran being attacked by a joint Israel-UK-USA operation to possibly draw attention away from the bank scares.

In my opinion, none of the civilian populations of these countries will put up with the military flexing this type of power. The whole Iranian threat has become so convoluted that it cannot be quite justified. Hopefully in such a situation, an outright condemnation could save us from retaliation from Russian and China; then again, maybe not.

If Iran is attacked, I believe Israel will receive the majority of the response; I don't even want to expand on the entire theory of biblical prophecy being fulfilled, whether simulated or not.

Perhaps TPTB know something about YU55 that we don't and are factoring it into this entire cluster f$^$ of events that are descending on this time-frame.

Interesting times indeed.



posted on Nov, 5 2011 @ 12:02 PM
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I must say what you are telling people to do is very dangerous.. Do not pull all your money out of the bank...

Also I must say everything you stated(aside from name dropping just a couple of financial corps...) is true. Banks in America are basically all interconnected and liquid through the Federal Reserve.

Do I believe the Fed is just gonna seize on Monday? No.





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