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posted on Nov, 4 2011 @ 07:48 PM
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There's been a few posts in a thread lately where chemmies have "pondered" why it is people spend time debunking this hoax.

So I'm going to tell you why I do it.

The main reason is that it slanders me. I have worked for a couple of airlines - I have seen the aircraft I worked on leave persistent contrails that have spanned the horizon - I know they were the a/c I worked on because there were only a few large jets in the county I was in when I started my career as an aircraft mechanic in the 1970's.

Since then I have worked in various aspects of aircraft maintenance - I have overhauled components - fuel & pneumatic systems mainly. I have worked "on the ramp" - receiving and despatching aircraft on passenger flights.

I have planned the maintenance on large passenger jets - turning the manufacturer's recommendations into working instructions for mechanics and assembling those instructions into packages of work for them to accomplish over time frames from overnight to 4 weeks.

I have been a quality assurance engineer- auditing the work of every aspect of the airline maintenance activity from the Chief Engineer's carrying out of is duties to the cleaners using the correct detergents.

I have also worked for a civil aviation authority as a quality auditor - even unto interviewing the CEO's of airlines to ensure they are aware of their legal responsibilities, and, again, everything downstream of there. I have also been deeply involved in the investigation of aviation accidents (although I have never been a specialist investigator), and the analysis and provision of safety trend information.

My career is not actually untypical of many long-service mechanics and engineers as they move through different aspects of aviation.

I also work alongside a group of people with similar backgrounds in aviation - from former international pilots to ag-spray pilots to people who have owned their own aircraft maintenance firms and everything in between.

So it is my contention that if there was "something going on" then I would know about it.

And I have never seen anything remotely resembling what is postulated by the chemtrail myth.

So when you say it is happening, and that I am a paid Govt shill, etc., you are slandering me.

The myth is BS, and your accusations are more BS you have made up because you can't face being wrong.

And don't start with compartmentalisation, maybe my airline wasn't doing it, maybe they did it all when I wasn't around and all that other crap you come up with to try to save your myth.

The aircraft have no systems for spraying anything - except for those that we all know that do - Agricultural, pesticides, water bombers, etc.

The fuel is rigorously tested - the fuel components require the fuel to be as specified - start screwing with that and you will start getting fuel component failure which leads to engine failures. There are no unknown tanks on aircraft, no unknown systems - everything is documented and has to be in its place - heck even a bolt that is made by the wrong people is cause for a massive investigation!!

I don't expect this to convince many true believers.....but at least you don't have to ask stupid insulting questions about why I debunk any more!




posted on Nov, 4 2011 @ 07:57 PM
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Come on man. You are not posting that resume' here are ya?

Chemtrails ABSOLUTELY exist. I have had more sinus infections than humanly possible and I see chemtrails all the time. Recently there has been a lack of them in the sky. They had begun doing the spraying at night until the headlines started to get them nervous and now they are doing specific areas to lessen the perception.

I realize you feel YOU would be told about this if it were going on since you have been around planes since you were a baby, but the guys doing this are not going to have just ANY inspector or crew. They are hand picked and threatened with bodily injury if they speak out. Typical stuff really in today's climate.



posted on Nov, 4 2011 @ 08:04 PM
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While i know where you are coming from here,
I do not believe chemtrails come from passenger liners at all, of course it could be nothing at all. But it definitely could be something, just because you've never seen it doesn't mean it doesnt exist.

Wasn't there patents uncovered for chemtrail technology at some point? I dont remember.



posted on Nov, 4 2011 @ 08:05 PM
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great post i couldnt agree more that chemmies are certifiable. i used to work for one of those ag spray companies (helicopters, BELL Jet Rangers). chemtrails are as real as santa.
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posted on Nov, 4 2011 @ 08:06 PM
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Originally posted by onecraftydude
Come on man. You are not posting that resume' here are ya?

Chemtrails ABSOLUTELY exist. I have had more sinus infections than humanly possible


So you are not human??


and I see chemtrails all the time.
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And what s the connection between you seeing a contrail and getting a sinus infection?


I realize you feel YOU would be told about this if it were going on since you have been around planes since you were a baby, but the guys doing this are not going to have just ANY inspector or crew.


Laughable - there were only ever 2-3 QA engineers in the organisations I worked for, and no restrictions on which a/c we got to look at........you are in fantasy land!




They are hand picked and threatened with bodily injury if they speak out. Typical stuff really in today's climate.


And your evidence for this accusation is what??

It's just a story you invent to justify your continued irrational belief.



posted on Nov, 4 2011 @ 08:09 PM
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COOL YOU CAN DEBUNK IT ALL YOU WANT BUT its already public noledge also its cant be debunked.. was used for other reasons first.. but no they use it for other reasons. also its on google its public knowledge js...



posted on Nov, 4 2011 @ 08:09 PM
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i get sinus infections a lot too, at least two a year....you should go see an allergist, i did...used to get about 4 to 6 infections a year.

how is your poor health definitively linked to chemtrails? please explain.



posted on Nov, 4 2011 @ 08:10 PM
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Originally posted by AzureSky
While i know where you are coming from here,
I do not believe chemtrails come from passenger liners at all, of course it could be nothing at all. But it definitely could be something, just because you've never seen it doesn't mean it doesnt exist.


Indeed - however the main chemtrail myth is precisely that it IS coming from passenger a/c.

if it is coming from somewhere else then by all means present the evidence? If there IS something nasty being sprayed then I am against it too!!

But here's just no evidence of it.


Wasn't there patents uncovered for chemtrail technology at some point? I dont remember.


See www.abovetopsecret.com...

The post I linked to got deleted for some reason, but I think the list of patents is quite commonly repeated, so my look through them is probably what you are after.



posted on Nov, 4 2011 @ 08:11 PM
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If your debunking the myth then are you not making it true.....

Title fail



posted on Nov, 4 2011 @ 08:11 PM
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it is on the internets soz it must be true!!!

give me a break, EVERY chemmie thread had been debunked 100% of the time.



posted on Nov, 4 2011 @ 08:11 PM
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Originally posted by shadowreborn89
COOL YOU CAN DEBUNK IT ALL YOU WANT BUT its already public noledge also its cant be debunked..


So where is this public knowledge?? Why haven't I sen it??




was used for other reasons first.. but no they use it for other reasons. also its on google its public knowledge js...


Can you provide a link to a google search you use to show it then please??
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posted on Nov, 4 2011 @ 08:13 PM
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Originally posted by THEDUDE86
If your debunking the myth then are you not making it true.....

Title fail


Could you explain that to me please, 'cos I don't see what your reasoning is.



posted on Nov, 4 2011 @ 08:14 PM
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Oh, by the way.....weather modification by airplanes has been proven and was even used in The Vietnam War....Check it out - Operation Popeye.

Now you can say whatever you want about your experience but I am here to tell you the facts are that airplanes have been used for weather modification. Which some would call chem-trailing because of the chemicals used to seed the clouds


Evertyone needs to know about Operation Popeye....It is all right there in the open
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Operation Popeye
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posted on Nov, 4 2011 @ 08:15 PM
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Sorry, OP, but I have to vehemently disagree with you on chemtrails.

I have seen the contrails aircraft leave, and I have seen jets spraying CHEMTRAILS that come out of New Mexico. They always spray out here in advance of a weather front. I have watched jets spray in a pattern that no jet leaving contrails could leave. They spray, then stop, spray, then stop, and it leaves a dotted pattern like broken lines on a highway. Never in my life have I seen commercial jets do that. It is entirely intentional, and the chemtrails stay in the air (unlike contrails) for a very long time until they dissapate into the approaching weather front. The chemtrails have a distinct way of hanging in the air and "fringing" on the edges that is unlike anything else I have ever witnessed.

I understand you think that you would "know" if there were something to chemtrailing, but since you worked in the commercial airline industry and not the United States Air Force, I would suggest that perhaps you aren't privy to what the military does with its aircraft.

Look up "geo-engineering", because that's what they are doing. Messing with nature.



posted on Nov, 4 2011 @ 08:19 PM
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So you conclude it is deliberate based upon your own observation and nothing more.

Sorry - evidence fail - go look up various types of atmosheric wave - you are in New Mexico? So you must know about the Sierra Wave??

You need to learn more before you falsely condem millions of people in the aviation industry.



posted on Nov, 4 2011 @ 08:22 PM
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Originally posted by THEDUDE86
Oh, by the way.....weather modification by airplanes has been proven and was even used in The Vietnam War....Check it out - Operation Popeye.


Yep - cloud seeding.

No chemtrails, not coming from aircraft engines, finished in 1972 (IIRC), cloud seeding is legal, well known, not secret, not done by airliners, does not leave long trails across the sky, is not done in clear sky, etc.



Now you can say whatever you want about your experience but I am here to tell you the facts are that airplanes have been used for weather modification. Which some would call chem-trailing because of the chemicals used to seed the clouds


You can say cloud seeding is chemtrails all you like, but it is not the long persistent contrails across the sky that people are calling chemtrails and that come from commercial jetliners.

Your post is irrelevant.



posted on Nov, 4 2011 @ 08:22 PM
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nobody is disputing weather modification such as cloud seeding, however if you had ANY knowledge of cloud seeding you would know that
1. the elevation of "chemtrail" aircraft are way too high for cloud seeding
2. cloud seeding is done in above or beside clouds...
3. cloud seeding does not leave a contrail...ever



posted on Nov, 4 2011 @ 08:30 PM
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I don't believe the planes flying over me and spraying are commercial. They turn around out by me like a farmer plowing a field and lay line after line going from East to West and back. They routinely make a patch work over a city to the southwest of me. They did it again today. It's like they are spraying a cloud with the sole intention of blanketing that city. I see them turn off their spray, turn around and turn it back on to make a new line. They make lines that are equally distanced apart. I bought a video camera to film this happening several months ago. I plan to get my butt out there one day and film it.



posted on Nov, 4 2011 @ 08:31 PM
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This is a video posted this year of a Former FBI Chief Ted Gunderson personally attacking congress and the government over chemtrails.

He has personally seen the planes at national guard airports and flying in other countries as well.




Ted Started really spreading the word about the chemtrails when he found out he was going to die of cancer. Good luck calling this guy a joke
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posted on Nov, 4 2011 @ 08:37 PM
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to all you believers... if chemtrails are making us sick...why is life expectancy worldwide increasing 50% of children born today will live to 100.

oh and BTW that FBI guy is nuts...





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