Evidence for PK, page 1

I watching William Shatner's Weird or What? show recently where he talked about the Stargate program (the one where the CIA investigated remote viewing, not the SF channel show) and it went into how that program came about because of the military's interest in pk. Apparently a general went to a spoon-bending party and thought something of interest was going on. The segment on pk finished off at the Institute of Noetic Sciences, where Dr Dean Radin was demonstrating a double slit experiment using an experienced meditator to affect the outcome of the experiment.

I'm guessing not that many people have heard about the evidence for pk, so here are some cool links:

www.youtube.com...

deanradin.blogspot.com...

forum.mind-energy.net...

reply to post by icepack

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So who are the non-humans you think do this stuff?

reply to post by Quirky

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demons can do things like that. if you have an idea, its called "came to my mind", came from where ?

reply to post by icepack

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God I'm sick of people seeing everything in black and white like this. Demons angels, Good and Bad are relative to the perspective held by the observer. Therefore something you may consider a demon others may consider angels and vice versa. Can't we just agree that intelligence exists beyond the limited range of our sensory perception and most likely had free will and therefore cannot be clumped into a good or bad pile. I feel like all these people are just trolling to find some converts.

I mean don't you get that by submitting such black and white non-challenging viewpoints you are incorporating NOTHING to the ATS community at all. If you're gonna speak your mind about something could you at least TRY to see it from another perspective, even for 30 second before you post?

reply to post by icepack

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So, like, all ideas are demonic?

Wow.

reply to post by DogGod

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if non-humans give you abilities you could never develope and these non-human beings let you think its you that has these abilities, wouldnt you consider this wicked and evil ?

reply to post by TheCounselor

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i did not say that, if you read carefully.

reply to post by Quirky

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reply to post by icepack

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You live in a world of black and white when the truth is always grey. It is disappointing that you responded without even trying to understand the point I am trying to make. What if your God gave you these same types of power? Depending how you used them other peoples perspectives of your use could be interpreted as good or bad. How do you know that your god is not the deceiver? Because he has been the Idea behind the genocide of hundreds of different ethnic groups with roots extending way deeper through history? Because he has left more death in the wake of his name than anything else our race has encountered? Because he has promised you endless life? Because he promised land to a race of people that started a multi-millenial war? From many perspectives your idea of good is the embodiment of all that is evil.

I am only attempting to challenge you to go a little outside your box for a few seconds and try to see another perspective on things.

reply to post by DogGod

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do you agree, that there are good and bad things in this world ?
every human is influenced by spirits to some extend, these spirits can do bad things or good things.
do you differ between good and bad ?

Originally posted by DogGod
reply to post by icepack

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God I'm sick of people seeing everything in black and white like this. Demons angels, Good and Bad are relative to the perspective held by the observer. Therefore something you may consider a demon others may consider angels and vice versa. Can't we just agree that intelligence exists beyond the limited range of our sensory perception and most likely had free will and therefore cannot be clumped into a good or bad pile. I feel like all these people are just trolling to find some converts.

I mean don't you get that by submitting such black and white non-challenging viewpoints you are incorporating NOTHING to the ATS community at all. If you're gonna speak your mind about something could you at least TRY to see it from another perspective, even for 30 second before you post?

edit on 4-11-2011 by DogGod because: I accidentally pressed post before I was done.

what crawled up your butt.. no where was it said this was a black and white discussion ..you assumed that only because the word demon was mentioned. you are contributing nothing to this discussion with your rant.. How about you take a break from the pc and stop making a jerk out of yourself. Or make a thread about your point but in a more coherent calm manner.

reply to post by yaluk

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thanks for your support, but something different is going on here. the truth is, before i posted on this thread, something bad happened to me in my private life and i was frustrated, when i found this thread. the thread starter "made a mistake", in my opinion, by calling psychokinesis only with the shortform pk. that was like a opportunity for me to vent my anger on the op to get rid of my frustration. so i typed my first post with anger. surprisingly, this bad attitude seems to be sensible for some others. i think doggod sensed the bad intention reacted, like saying: "why do come here and ruin this thread ?" to defend the op.
i have to distinguish what is responsible for my daily life frustration.
with your support, all this went too much in a wrong direction, so i felt commited to correct it.

reply to post by icepack

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PK is PK, how is that a mistake? PK is how parapsychologists refer to it. You know, the scientists who study this stuff. I've yet to read any peer-reviewed papers blaming demons for PK. There are papers suggesting people can do it.

Do I have to stop using NFL when talking about football now too? Will you blame that on demons?

reply to post by Quirky

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if you think humans can do things like that, you are fooled. you should check your spirituality.
at the moment you are literaly clueless.

Originally posted by Quirky
reply to post by icepack

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PK is PK, how is that a mistake? PK is how parapsychologists refer to it. You know, the scientists who study this stuff. I've yet to read any peer-reviewed papers blaming demons for PK. There are papers suggesting people can do it.

Do I have to stop using NFL when talking about football now too? Will you blame that on demons?

I don't think you will find any scientists in here.

reply to post by Quirky

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I suggest reading Dr. Ira Teller's book, CONTROL SWITCH ON, which deals with the development of a Psi-control switch. It is a true story and can be found for free at www.controlswitchon.com. This will give us some great insight
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