Finally , Iran Displays 2 Documents on US Role in Sponsoring Terrorism

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Why does that read like a chain letter? I say "bogus".

At the risk of going "off topic"...

Has anyone actually seen these documents, or have any idea as to what's printed on them?
Anyone can wave a couple pieces of paper and yell "proof!".
It wouldn't surprise me at all if they actually did have proof, but I'd like to know what it is before condemning anybody...

Originally posted by hmdphantom

Finally , Iran Displays 2 Documents on US Role in Sponsoring Terrorism

I'm hoping to see the US govt in shame after attacking it's own people in 9/11 and Iraq , Afghanistan and libya invasion.

After imposing poverty and chaos to those nations.

After taking out the resources of Iraq and Afghanistan.

After dropping nuclear bomb on Japaneses civilians.

After hitting Iranian civilian airplane.

It is not too soon to see some shame on US govt.

Counter terrorism is not terrorism, it prevention of terrorism


Lets take a look at the propaganda you provided to drum up hate for the US

I'm hoping to see the US govt in shame after attacking it's own people in 9/11 and Iraq , Afghanistan and libya invasion.

Conspiracy on count No1, Afghanistan/the Taliban attacked the US first, Libya was was not an invasion it was assisting a revolution of the Libya people, to which many Arab nations asked of NATO/UN for the intervention

After imposing poverty and chaos to those nations.

I'm sorry but those nations was all ready in chaos & poverty LOL

Because of the mindless & lawless state it was, or the leaders they had in place, lets look at this in another light as so the plane joes can understand,

What happens in poor neighborhoods/estates? yes crime breeds & spread like wild fire as every man fends for him self, they get driven to a life of crime, and gang culture emerges, the middle east is that one such estate on earth, unfortunately it has been that way well before those extremists decided to poke the lion,

After taking out the resources of Iraq and Afghanistan.

Those resources are being used to rebuild there own countries, where do you think the moneys coming from to rebuild? out of fin air i suppose?, and what resources does Afghanistan have? Lithium? not being mined yet, long long way off, and only found 1 year ago,

After dropping nuclear bomb on Japanese civilians.

To bring an end to war in Japan in WWII, after being attacked by Japan first, again self defence, war is war the US did not ask or start it, they simply finished it, sadly it had to be done, shortly after the war in Japan come to a close, had it not, million more would have died,

After hitting Iranian civilian airplane.

Accident
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It wasn't so hard to brainwash you was it mr misinformed, perhaps you're not stupid tho, perhaps you're a sympathiser and want Israel wiped of the face of the map too,

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I always talk with proofs.

Just open your home page of yahoo and see how much people with shining and soft hair you see.

Tell me more about their dressing and which part of their body they are putting out.

Then turn on your TV and tell me about what I said in programs like American idol and ...

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Masochist

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This has been much off topic and I don't intend to continue. I hope you do more investigation yourself. And you can all me whatever you want.

This already much off-topic. I can U2U if you want.

Iran is dumb.

It's not called 'Terrorism' if we do it... It's called a "Covert-Op" or "Military Excursion."

The difference is… we are just trying to help the rest of the world become as free as us, while real terrorists just want to give us reasons to invade their whole country.

Got it?!

Having read the article and the OP’s first posting, there are a few things that can be stated:

As a citizen of the US, I would like to see said proof published and examined in a court of law. That way it can be examined and explained by the government and if it is valid, then they would have some explaining to do, but not to the world at large, but to its citizens.

The relationship between Iran and the US is one that is long and complicated, mired in political intrigue, where neither side wants to admit that they really want to be friends with the other side and desire to open a dialogue with such. Neither wants to let go of the past and there fore, such will continue until one side or the other decides that it is time to let the past go and look forward towards the future.

Remember that Iran used to be Persia, up until the 1940’s when it was suggested and they changed the name of their country from Iran to Persia, course there was the entire Nazi involvement and the fact that such ideology still exists in that country. Neither country can state that they are without fault, nor should they be casting stones, when you look at the current actions of both. Under all that Iran would have the world see, is not such a pretty picture, and its society is not as liberal as many would like it to be.

In current years Iran has been trying to gain more of a leadership role in the Islamic world, and as that is not exactly favorable to the peace in the region. But that is the nature of their country and thus it will only have to come out in a court as to what is and is not truth. This time, the US government may not want to hide behind secrets to reveal what it knows, rather put some of the cards on the table to reach a resolution and a solution to what may end up being a diplomatic crisis.



As a citizen of the US, I will not apologize or accept that my government to apologize for some actions, to include that of dropping 2 nuclear weapons on Japan in the course of a declared war, namely World War II, as it was they who started that little conflict and drug the US into it by their act of cowardice and a sneak attack. Nor will I apologize for the actions in Afghanistan, or Pakistan for the actions of one group supporting and protecting a group that here again, launched an attack, by declaring war on the US. It is funny, how many of the countries, that are in poverty and chaos tend to want US dollars, and not seem to understand that said dollars come with strings attached to them. And it is even more funny how when there is a natural disaster in the world, where there is suffering, there is a large outpouring of support and aid that flows from the US to those countries, not even a question to if they are in support of or against the US, but merely that it is given, without any questions asked. Perhaps the OP is right and the US should close its borders, and not get involved, and the next tsunami, or outbreak of some deadly disease, or earth quake that hit’s a region, we should sit back and see what country is willing to step up to the plate and be willing to give so much and expect so little in return.

reply to post by michael1983l

The current leader of Iran did not get voted back in by his people but he stayed anyway.

We have an Islamic parliament called "Leader connoisseurs" which control leaders actions and it can vote to take leader down the power.

Those members are elected directly by people.

The US foreign policy is suspect but the countries they have targeted have been nations without a democratic government

It is how you generalize and it is the easiest thing on the planet after ignorance.

I mean , Saddam , Gaddafi , Bin Ali , OBL were close friends once.

The real issue is that US is just thinking about money and resources and twitter and facebook diplomacy is a new strategy that was targeting Iranian govt about 3 years ago. Us failed about Iran , as failed about keeping Shah in Iran.

Our leader is chosen indirectly by our people , Our Islamic Parliament members are elected directly by our people , Our president is elected directly by our people.

There is no Zionist Lobby and there is no paper to sign to get financial support.


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The U.S. President Barack Obama was pandering to the pro-Israeli lobby AIPAC when he gave a speech there, so says political commentator James Morris.

Morris told Press TV's U.S. Desk that Obama's pandering to AIPAC was for "political purposes".

The Los Angeles-based political analyst said that "with regard to the coming election and financing from Jewish donors" the Democratic Party is very concerned.

Morris accused Obama of "putting the security of Israel above the security of America". He told the U.S. Desk that while Obama is "saying that we're in tough fiscal times with regard to the U.S. economy and U.S. states going broke", the president is reaffirming sending billions of U.S. taxpayer dollars to Israel to pay for their military

The U.S. President Barack Obama was pandering to the pro-Israeli lobby AIPAC when he gave a speech there, so says political commentator James Morris.

3. [Face to Face] Cynthia McKinney, Former US Congresswoman - 20May2011 - English

4. google this : Cynthia McKinney signing papers support Israel

Have a nice time denying ignorance

I am enjoying mine.

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At last , some logical and of course on-topic statement.

I hope to see them , too.

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Yes, Deny ignorance indeed

www.guardian.co.uk...

We do not yet have any forensic proof that Iran's presidential election was stolen – and given the country's notorious opacity, it may never emerge – but the circumstantial evidence is compelling. The aftermath of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's re-election by an alleged landslide resembles, as the respected American academic on Iranian affairs, Juan Cole, put it, "a crime scene". Legitimate election wins are generally not accompanied by mass arrests of opposition members, the blocking of mobile phone networks and a multitude of news websites, or the forced closure of other candidates' headquarters, to name but three highly irregular developments that have all the hallmarks of a coup d'état.

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Let's get started. It will be a great history-English practice simultaneously.

Taliban attacked the US first

So US decided to invade Afghanistan , bombard the cities , destroy the infra-structures , kill people , rape them to fight Taliban which was fortified by US to stand against USSR invasion.

The Soviet war in Afghanistan was a nine-year conflict involving the Soviet Union, supporting the Marxist-Leninist government of the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan[15] against the Afghan Mujahideen and foreign "Arab–Afghan" volunteers. The mujahideen received unofficial military and/or financial support from a variety of countries including the United States, Saudi Arabia, the United Kingdom[citation needed], Pakistan, Israel, Taiwan, Indonesia and China.

Once the Soviets withdrew, US interest in Afghanistan ceased. The US decided not to help with reconstruction of the country and instead they handed over the interests of the country to US allies, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. Pakistan quickly took advantage of this opportunity and forged relations with warlords and later the Taliban, to secure trade interests and routes. From wiping out the country's trees through logging practices, which has destroyed all but 2% of forest cover country-wide, to substantial uprooting of wild pistachio trees for the exportation of their roots for therapeutic uses, to opium agriculture, the past ten years have caused much ecological and agrarian destruction.

Captain Tarlan Eyvazov, a soldier in the Soviet forces during the war, stated that the Afghan children's future is destined for war. Eyvazov said, "Children born in Afghanistan at the start of the war... have been brought up in war conditions, this is their way of life." Eyvazov's theory was later strengthened when the Taliban movement developed and formed from orphans or refugee children who were forced by the Soviets to flee their homes and relocate their lives in Pakistan. The swift rise to power, from the young Taliban in 1996, was the result of the disorder and civil war that had warlords running wild because of the complete breakdown of law and order in Afghanistan after the departure of the Soviets.

deological impact The Islamists who fought also believed that they were responsible for the fall of the Soviet Union. Osama bin Laden, for example, was asserting the credit for "the dissolution of the Soviet Union ... goes to God and the mujahideen in Afghanistan ... the US had no mentionable role," but "collapse made the US more haughty and arrogant

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Taliban are helped by US , because US helped afghans against USSR. Saudi Arabia is providing money for them.

US was helping Afghanistan but the other day decided to invade.

Libya was was not an invasion it was assisting a revolution of the Libya people

So NATO has invented a new-generation missile and bullet. It kills selectively . It just kills terrorists.

A spokesman for Gadafy’s government, who took foreign reporters to the scene of the strike, said 85 people had been killed when missiles struck farm compounds in the village of Majar, about 150km east of Tripoli.

He said the dead included 33 children, 32 women and 20 men.

Nato denies civilians killed in Libya strike

to which many Arab nations asked of NATO/UN for the intervention

Maybe those victims asked NATO or maybe NATO is the only peacekeeper around.

I'm sorry but those nations was all ready in chaos & poverty LOL

So there is no poverty and there is no chaos there ?

Those people were living their own life as your tax-paid bombs hit their house and their school. Or maybe you think that war is a counterstrike game which people kill each other. You may die , but you can restart.

What happens in poor neighborhoods/estates? yes crime breeds & spread like wild fire as every man fends for him self, they get driven to a life of crime, and gang culture emerges, the middle east is that one such estate on earth, unfortunately it has been that way well before those extremists decided to poke the lion,

I thought that Hitler lived once.
I mean , may be people in middle east are not great technology users like American people but it doesn't mean that they are not enjoying their living.

I think that reasons you mentioned were the ones for killing natives in US , I mean Indians.


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Stop feeding the Troll. I happen to work with an Iranian, he loves his country but he hates his government and the censorship he had to live under there. Your Probably on the governments payroll, I can see theres no point providing you with the Facts as you prefer propaganda and misinformed opinion.

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"Lets take a look at the propaganda you provided"

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Part 2:

Those resources are being used to rebuild there own countries, where do you think the moneys coming from to rebuild? out of fin air i suppose?, and what resources does Afghanistan have? Lithium? not being mined yet, long long way off, and only found 1 year ago,

Yes , American people are paying taxes for those bombs , so that Afghan and Iraqi people live in peace. That is very generous of you.

The US army take the whole infra-structures of the nation and tries to rebuild it after 10 years.

and what resources does Afghanistan have? Lithium? not being mined yet, long long way off, and only found 1 year ago,

I knew it about ten years ago Afghanistan is great country of underground resources as our chemistry teacher told us.

Rare earth elements According to a September 2011 US Geological Survey estimate, the Khanashin carbonatites in southern Helmand Province have an estimated 1 million metric tonnes of rare earth elements. Regina Dubey, Acting Director for the Department of Defence Task Force for Business and Stability Operations (TFBSO) stated that "this is just one more piece of evidence that Afghanistan's mineral sector has a bright future."

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Illegal uranium mining in Afghanistan unabated
Smugglers and unscrupulous elements are busy illegally excavating mines to plunder Afghanistan's uranium and gold reserves in Kohistan district of the northern Faryab province.
Officials and residents charged on Sep. 7, 2005, the uranium brought huge windfalls to the unauthorized excavators.
Officials at the Ministry of Mines and Industries admitted "irresponsible elements" were digging the site for precious metals. They said they were trying to prevent as soon as possible the brazen plunder of the assets belonging to the Afghan government and people.
A Kohistan-based mineral expert told Pajhwok Afghan News rapacious men, with no expertise and equipment, dug out large quantities of prized metals including uranium, gold, copper, lead and azure.
The glowing stones, often mishandled by the callow men, were smuggled to an unknown location, alleged Eng. Khan Mirza, who deplored the massive reserves were being exploited in a non-professional way.
The brazen practice was rampant during previous governments as well, he said while stressing an early end to what he called a loss of impoverished Afghanistan's abundant mineral resources.
Tucked away in the jagged Hindukush mountain range, Siku mines are situated 148 kilometres southeast of the provincial capital city of Maimana. (Pajhwok Afghan News/Asia Pulse, Sept 9, 2005)

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You seem much ignorant than you can count.

To bring an end to war in Japan in WWII, after being attacked by Japan first, again self defence, war is war the US did not ask or start it, they simply finished it, sadly it had to be done, shortly after the war in Japan come to a close, had it not, million more would have died,

So you blessed those people by killing them all.

Accident

Maybe the whole 9/11 was an accident. The pilot couldn't steer right. the other one was following him , so he hit the other building.

reply to post by michael1983l

Stop feeding the Troll. I happen to work with an Iranian, he loves his country but he hates his government and the censorship he had to live under there

You met an Iranian . He said I am oppressed , others are oppressed and then you believed him ?

I know that my govt has some issues but I don't like America intervention. We will solve our problems ourselves. Because America has much more issues than my govt and Islamic Revolution is just 32 years old and needs time to evolve.

Iranian people are not like other nations. They question their govt and they control their govt online.

Your Probably on the governments payroll, I can see theres no point providing you with the Facts as you prefer propaganda and misinformed opinion.

It is not a good way to end our debate and I can say the same about you.

+ I have provided much links for the info I provided and I am so alone in my country and in my home.

You judged me too soon and you don't like to do more investigation about what I said generally.

You just want me to say your right , so you will be satisfied and you will change your direction. And you will feel better about me.

Just calm down and relax. And if you judge me , judge me fairly.

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"Lets take a look at the propaganda you provided"

I like facing propaganda. It makes me do more investigation and deny more ignorance.

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The difference is… we are just trying to help the rest of the world become as free as us, while real terrorists just want to give us reasons to invade their whole country.

It is interesting.

You are a label user like you are a technology user.

I mean , there are people who try to invent new words to enhance their conspiracy , but you are just using those terms and you are not an inventor. I call the inventors , mothers of conspiracy.

Just look how you used we for American , terrorists for Iranian.

Using labels just tells me that you don't like or you can't take part in debate.

Originally posted by michael1983l
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Yes, Deny ignorance indeed

www.guardian.co.uk...

We do not yet have any forensic proof that Iran's presidential election was stolen – and given the country's notorious opacity, it may never emerge – but the circumstantial evidence is compelling. The aftermath of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's re-election by an alleged landslide resembles, as the respected American academic on Iranian affairs, Juan Cole, put it, "a crime scene". Legitimate election wins are generally not accompanied by mass arrests of opposition members, the blocking of mobile phone networks and a multitude of news websites, or the forced closure of other candidates' headquarters, to name but three highly irregular developments that have all the hallmarks of a coup d'état.

9th of Dey: The day when massive state-backed demonstrations put an end to 8 months of protests in Iran by the Green Movement. The demonstrations were primarily a response to the movement’s gathering in Tehran on the sacred day of Ashoura, whose sanctity was tarnished by the protestors –who had cheered on a day when the Shi’as are supposed to mourn over the woes of their third Imam- according to the Islamic Republic and its supporters

IRD

This latest sham from Iran won't help them. Too little, too late. They're guilty for things they have done in the past and no mud that can sling at the US will prevent sanctions or a military strike.

It's pathetic to see the things a criminal will say to save his sorry butt. But it'll be over soon.

We'll wipe out those enrichment facilities and if Iran starts anything then it's game over.

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We'll wipe out those enrichment facilities and if Iran starts anything then it's game over.

So , you think that it is a game , may be counterstrike.

+ We are not afraid of US and anything ugly it is going to offer us , because Allah offers us the best.

reply to post by hmdphantom

Don't mince words. What's happening on an international level has severe consequences.

Iranians need to stop their leaders NOW. Delay means the end of your country.

You know as well as I do that the leaders won't stop unless forced. If the international community is forced to stop them then you have no control. If you start it then maybe...

Iran is trying to throw mud at the US in an attempt to stall progress. But this process is already too far gone. The UN knows too well the crimes Iran has committed and will not flinch.

Heavy sanctions and a strike on the enrichment facilities are almost certain to happen. What Iran does in response is what determines whether Iran survives in a recognizable form.

Stop wasting time on ATS and start changing your country. It's 11:59. Probably too late.

I can tell you that most americans do not trust Iran whatsoever. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is portrayed as a sick freak in the media and most believe it. ATS is a small population of people with many diverse views. But america as a whole is very critical. When sanctions and a military strike are put into motion the american citizens will not attempt to stop it. It's guaranteed.