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reply posted on 4-11-2011 @ 10:10 PM by _Del_
reply to post by mbkennel


Well, they'd be helpless against aircraft. But the point is if Iran sends out 50 of them armed with anti-ship missiles and loses 48 of them to helo's and frigates but manage to put a large hole in an aircraft carrier, they probably call it a good day.



reply posted on 4-11-2011 @ 11:09 PM by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
Originally posted by mbkennel
Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
You're talking about the Bavar-2s? Well, I doubt you would even be flying an F-22 in the first place considering that you can seem to determine the difference between aircraft and skipping patrol craft. The Bavar-2s employ an inversion effect above the water, meaning that they fly above the water (safe from underwater weapons) while lying low under 100ft, good avoiding radar detection and attacking ships. If they can arm them with anti-ship missiles (or even Skhval torpedos like on their fast attack boats), then they would be very formidable.


And how does a ground effect aircraft do against attack helicopters with missiles? Quite poorly. Much less a superhornet.

Here's what I see with these Bavar-2's.

www.youtube.com...

Yes, the supersonic/hypersonic missiles are a threat. These are ammo-expenders.


Helicopters with missiles? Apaches are armed with air-to-air missiles now? Which kind of missiles? There are navalized Apaches?

And you seriously think that these Bavars would be on their own without any air cover or defenses for intercepting aircraft?

These Bavars are patrol craft. I'm more interested in what they developed to improve on the design.

And please tell me how an Apache would be even practically effective against a Bavar 2, which probably flies much faster anyways. And one guy said A-10s would be effective- you mean ground attack aircraft intercepting flying boats that skip along the surface? Do American combat commanders think in the same logic?


reply posted on 5-11-2011 @ 11:17 AM by mbkennel
Originally posted by _Del_
reply to post by mbkennel


Well, they'd be helpless against aircraft. But the point is if Iran sends out 50 of them armed with anti-ship missiles and loses 48 of them to helo's and frigates but manage to put a large hole in an aircraft carrier, they probably call it a good day.


So this requires that

* all of them are driven by suicidal Revolutionary Guarders who will maintain discipline when all their comrades are being blown up
* they are actually outfitted with anti-ship missiles unlike the small guns shown in the video
* somebody knows how to get the targeting information to these things and somebody can put it in the missile
* the side with the aircraft carrier forgets what the range limits are

A little thinking like: "they are there, we are here, their boats can go X fast, our aircraft can go Y fast. Where should we be?"

These craft look like they have less capability than a Japanese Zero. At least the Japanese Kamikaze could fly nearly straight down at a high speed to cause real damage to the deck instead of the thickly armored sides.

Any capability would have to come from the hypothetical guided missiles which are not on display, and in that case, why bother with a delivery platform which screams "bomb me"?

These things are patrol craft, good for looking for drug smugglers, not fighting a technological navy & airforce.

In a hypothetical Iranian Gulf War, the area would be swarmed by hundreds of F18's from the carriers, F16's/F15's from Saudi and Kuwaiti airbases, plus all the helicopters. Any of them could attack an armed patrol boat with impunity.


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